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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyP View Post

    give me cairo prince to finish worse then 4th
    He is a tricky read but one thing I am sure of is that he was not 100% wound up for his last race.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draynay View Post

    Wildcat Red who no one has been able to get by except one horse not in the race and who would be favored to win if the race was a mile is going to suddenly spit the bit with the lead at the top of the stretch and let 7 horses go by him...... you have to be kidding. Cairo Prince has done nothing but win and facing 3 of the best in the Florida Derby and him finishing right behind them after a 9 week layoff sets him up perfectly for the Derby. He is the only horse in the race that has been really good at 2 and 3. If you think there are 3 horses better than him.... where have they been hiding for 2 years ?
    General A rod didn't pass him in the Gulfstream Park Derby?There is a huge difference between a mile and 1 1/4 and I'm not so sure he would be favored at a mile unless it was at GP maybe.
    His races that you are enamored with ,he and 2 or 3 others ran 1-2 or 1-2-3 around the track and if you look even deeper when they entered the stretch hardly anyone improved positions in the whole field.

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    Finaly have my laptop connected to a flat screen hd tv with a hdmi cable thought you might get a laugh out of that Mike

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    As a 3 year old Wildcat Red has been as tough as any horse can be.... There aren't many horses better than him and he will be tough to get by in mid stretch.... the only horse I see doing it is Cairo Prince.

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    Now 2 of the 3 horses you have been touting Draynay out of the Derby. #GamblingGods

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    Ouch! Cairo Prince out of the Derby.

    Changes a few things for some people....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post
    Now 2 of the 3 horses you have been touting Draynay out of the Derby. #GamblingGods

    It's his wallet practicing voodoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemca View Post
    It's his wallet practicing voodoo

    I really think California Chrome is gonna be a /5 odds now with the 3rd and 4th choices scratching. Wicked Strong will be a solid 2nd choice and I think Danza kinda by default will be 3rd or 4th choice.

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    Mikemca..... it gets worse !

    I liked Top Billing too ! These horses are dropping like flies. Two Florida Derby horses out with only 2 left.... and I don't think Wildcat has worked out yet.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post


    I really think California Chrome is gonna be a /5 odds now with the 3rd and 4th choices scratching. Wicked Strong will be a solid 2nd choice and I think Danza kinda by default will be 3rd or 4th choice.
    If Social Inclusion happens to get in he will take a lot of money too .

    Quote Originally Posted by Draynay View Post
    I liked Top Billing too ! These horses are dropping like flies. Two Florida Derby horses out with only 2 left.... and I don't think Wildcat has worked out yet.....
    Social Inclusion is legit.He is the only one that might knock me off Wicked Strong.

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    For the 10th time....

    SI is going to the Preakness. And has no chance of winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draynay View Post
    SI is going to the Preakness. And has no chance of winning.
    If they get into the derby they are going there(1)("If we can make the Derby, we're going to go").You're like (2)The Onion of forum posters.You state everything as if it's 100% fact but it's the opposite.You should try listening instead of spewing nonsense.


    1. http://www.kentuckyderby.com/news/20...uses-preakness
    2. http://www.theonion.com/section/sports/?ref=auto
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemca View Post
    If Social Inclusion happens to get in he will take a lot of money too .



    Social Inclusion is legit.He is the only one that might knock me off Wicked Strong.
    I agree about SI. He was giant in the Wood considering how wide he was and how the track was playing. I would definetly like to see him get in but I think it's fairly unlikely.

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    Anyone who likes Wicked Strong should be betting him at 10-1 at 5dimes. No way he's double digit odd's at the off.

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    To show you just how bad racing is in California Midnight Hawk went to the Illinois Derby to race against some pretty bad horse and LOST. Stakes winner in California and 2nd place finisher to CC couldn't beat a rag tag field. I wouldn't bet a dime on CC to do anything in the Derby.

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    I knew that post was coming Draynay. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draynay View Post
    To show you just how bad racing is in California Midnight Hawk went to the Illinois Derby to race against some pretty bad horse and LOST. Stakes winner in California and 2nd place finisher to CC couldn't beat a rag tag field. I wouldn't bet a dime on CC to do anything in the Derby.
    I would have been off by a couple of words, but this is exactly what I thought I was going to read from you. And you have a valid point if CC was anywhere near the others in CA when they finished.

    Midnight Hawk doesn't have the distance needed for the ILL, most knew that going into it. At this rate SI has a pretty good chance of making the churchill gates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post
    I knew that post was coming Draynay. LOL.

    They're laughing at this clown, Draynay, over on the HRT forum. Seriously. Apparently his predictions were so atrocious over there, that they consider any horse he promotes to be jinxed. They're loving it that he's bashing Chrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dballard125 View Post
    They're laughing at this clown, Draynay, over on the HRT forum. Seriously. Apparently his predictions were so atrocious over there, that they consider any horse he promotes to be jinxed. They're loving it that he's bashing Chrome.
    Thats great...always nice to see the same people use the same names on other forums.

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    Draynay is Draynay everywhere !

    I use the same name on all the blogs and most people know who I am on facebook. Unlike nearly everyone else I let it be known who I am. I am a Florida racing fan and believe that most of the talent in the country races in Florida. This year is no different. As far as people at HRT ? All 4 of them wouldn't know how to pick a Derby winner if it fell out of the sky landed on their face and wiggled.

    If you are on CC for the Derby good for you but he isn't going to win a thing outside of California. He is a State Champion just like the Poly Champion Mare before him.

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    Just read that Ring Weekend hasn't worked out at all yet? Looks like we could lose another one. COmmanding Curve on Deck with Bayern in the hole and SI to follow.

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    based on this list who is out for sure


    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    Rank Horse Trainer Points Non-Restricted Stakes Earnings
    1 California Chrome Art Sherman 150 $782,250
    2 Vicar's in Trouble Mike Maker 120 $760,000
    3 Dance With Fate Peter Eurton 108 $600,000
    4 Wicked Strong Jimmy Jerkens 102 $640,000
    5 Samraat Rick Violette Jr. 100 $650,000
    6 Danza Todd Pletcher 100 $620,000
    7 Constitution Todd Pletcher 100 $600,000
    8 Hoppertunity Bob Baffert 95 $576,000
    9 Intense Holiday Todd Pletcher 93 $527,500
    10 Wildcat Red Jose Garrofalo 90 $665,500
    11 We Miss Artie Todd Pletcher 60 $544,000
    12 Ride on Curlin Billy Gowan 55 $354,387
    13 Chitu Bob Baffert 54 $440,000
    14 Tapiture Steve Asmussen 52 $470,378
    15 Midnight Hawk Bob Baffert 52 $320,500
    16 Ring Weekend H. Graham Motion 50 $260,000
    17 General a Rod Mike Maker 40 $240,000
    18 Medal Count Dale Romans 40 $226,500
    19 Candy Boy John Sadler 30 $380,000
    20 Cairo Prince Kiaran McLaughlin 24 $520,000
    21 Uncle Sigh Gary Contessa 24 $180,000
    22 Vinceremos Todd Pletcher 20 $191,666
    23 Harry's Holiday Mike Maker 20 $152,622
    24 Commanding Curve Dallas Stewart 20 $140,000
    25 Pablo Del Monte Wesley Ward 20 $102,000
    26 Bayern Bob Baffert 20 $100,000
    27 Social Inclusion Manny Azpurua 20 $100,000

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    Constitution
    Cairo Prince
    Midnight Hawk

    Are all out from my notes.

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    7 and 20 for sure

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    These 3 jump off the page....

    Wildcat Red, Wicked Strong, and my pick General A Rod.

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    Baffert is planning on running Chitu in the Derby Trial this Saturday at Churchill, and supposedly is gonna run in the Derby too if he runs well.

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    Medal Count is my longshot bet right now

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    No good reason to do this at all.....

    I can't toss Chitu and Medal Count far enough......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post
    Baffert is planning on running Chitu in the Derby Trial this Saturday at Churchill, and supposedly is gonna run in the Derby too if he runs well.
    Yeah I just read this as well. Interesting, I like Chitu and think he could make a great miler. But I don't see him in the Derby picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGboothA View Post
    Constitution
    Cairo Prince
    Midnight Hawk

    Are all out from my notes.

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    By the way ...that is impressive.....you should stand outside churchill and sell it.
    Quote Originally Posted by bgbootha View Post
    yeah i just read this as well. Interesting, i like chitu and think he could make a great miler. But i don't see him in the derby picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGboothA View Post
    Yeah I just read this as well. Interesting, I like Chitu and think he could make a great miler. But I don't see him in the Derby picture.
    I agree. Chitu's form was hardly flattered by the results of the Illinois Derby. Sure hope he doesnt go in derby. Makes room for other horses with a better chance to enter. Sure hope it doesnt go to Pablo Del Monte though. He would be the favorite to finish last.

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    Bgbooth did you hear if bravo is going to stay on danza ?
    Quote Originally Posted by bgbootha View Post
    yeah i just read this as well. Interesting, i like chitu and think he could make a great miler. But i don't see him in the derby picture.

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    Bayern 25/1
    Cairo Prince 14/1
    California Chrome 2/1
    Candy Boy 25/1
    General A Rod 25/1
    Hoppertunity 14/1
    Intense Holiday 20/1
    Mexikoma 33/1
    Midnight Hawk 33/1
    Noble Moon 50/1
    Ride On Curlin 25/1
    Samraat 20/1
    Social Inclusion 20/1
    Strong Mandate 33/1
    Tap It Rich 50/1
    Tapiture 20/1
    Uncle Sigh 40/1
    Vicars In Trouble 10/1
    Wildcat Red 16/1
    Chitu 25/1
    We Miss Artie 33/1
    Ring Weekend 25/1
    Wicked Strong 8/1
    Danza 8/1
    Medal Count 33/1

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    Kentucky Derby Futures as of February 22:
    1. Bobby's Kitten 45-1
    2. Cairo Prince 10-1
    3. California Chrome 60-1
    4. Candy Boy 20-1
    5. Commissioner 28-1
    6. Conquest Titan 35-1
    7. Havana 40-1
    8. Honor Code 12-1
    9. Indianapolis 35-1
    10.Intense Holiday 30-1
    11. Kristo 50-1
    12. Matterhorn 75-1
    13. Midnight Hawk 40-1
    14. Noble Moon 45-1
    15. Rise Up 45-1
    16. Samraat 50-1
    17. Shared Belief 15-1
    18. Strong Mandate 15-1
    19. Tapiture 28-1
    20. Tonalist 65-1
    21. Top Billing 14-1
    22. Uncle Sigh 75-1
    23. Vicar's in Trouble 20-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    Bgbooth did you hear if bravo is going to stay on danza ?

    I have not heard that confirmed as of yet. Many of the jockeys are still unconfirmed and will be until this weeks workouts shake out a little.

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