1. 04-30-13 04:39 PM #36
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    Post position is SO important in a 20 horse race I do not even consider handicapping the race till the post positions come out
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  2. 04-30-13 04:51 PM #37
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    Giant Finish is going to run and Carver wants to also
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  3. 05-01-13 10:01 AM #38
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    I'm confused about Bafferts horses?
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  4. 05-01-13 10:03 AM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    I'm confused about Bafferts horses?
    Nothing to be confused about. They are not running.
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  5. 05-01-13 01:41 PM #40
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    ahh...
    Got it.

    And orb or verrazano should be ML Favourites?
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  6. 05-01-13 01:44 PM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    ahh...
    Got it.

    And orb or verrazano should be ML Favourites?
    Saw Mike Battaglia (KY Derby Odds maker) say today that one of those 2 horses will be his ML Favorite.
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  7. 05-01-13 01:55 PM #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    ahh...
    Got it.

    And orb or verrazano should be ML Favourites?

    Post positions get decided at 5pm ET today and then odds will be posted after. Like I said before post position is HUGE factor to some horses so any odds posted before are not accurate
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  8. 05-01-13 03:47 PM #43
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    Keep in mind that the #1 silk is basically a death sentence. In 11 years, only two horses have even gotten 4th from it and the one horse broke from pp3 that year.
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  9. 05-01-13 04:12 PM #44
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  10. 05-01-13 04:29 PM #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvrlose37 View Post
    Keep in mind that the #1 silk is basically a death sentence. In 11 years, only two horses have even gotten 4th from it and the one horse broke from pp3 that year.

    This is not true. In the history of the derby the one post has the most victories. It all depends on a horses style. The worst spots are way outside. Bleacher report did a power ranking of post positions and post 1 ranked sixth.

    Kentucky Derby 2013 Post Positions: Power Ranking the Best Slottings to Have | Bleacher Report
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  11. 05-01-13 04:35 PM #46
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    Goldencents is worth a look. Tremendous speed. What is the weather forecast for Saturday?
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  12. 05-01-13 04:48 PM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncos View Post
    Goldencents is worth a look. Tremendous speed. What is the weather forecast for Saturday?
    Looking better now, but still 40% chance of rain last I saw....
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  13. 05-01-13 04:49 PM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    This is not true. In the history of the derby the one post has the most victories. It all depends on a horses style. The worst spots are way outside. Bleacher report did a power ranking of post positions and post 1 ranked sixth.

    Kentucky Derby 2013 Post Positions: Power Ranking the Best Slottings to Have | Bleacher Report

    1 and 2 are death....yes, your historical argument is correct, but you have to remember for 100 years there wasn't close to 20 horses in the race. As it stands now, the 1 has to actually break into the field and move outside into a wall of 19 horses to make the rail.
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  14. 05-01-13 05:00 PM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    This is not true. In the history of the derby the one post has the most victories. It all depends on a horses style. The worst spots are way outside. Bleacher report did a power ranking of post positions and post 1 ranked sixth.

    Kentucky Derby 2013 Post Positions: Power Ranking the Best Slottings to Have | Bleacher Report

    Bleacher Report is OK when it comes to some sports but after looking at their info for the Derby not so much when it comes to Horse Racing.

    Post 1 and 2 are the worst posts.Pretty sure all the wins came before they added the aux gate and they didn't have to run straight into the rail.
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  15. 05-01-13 05:04 PM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGboothA View Post
    1 and 2 are death....yes, your historical argument is correct, but you have to remember for 100 years there wasn't close to 20 horses in the race. As it stands now, the 1 has to actually break into the field and move outside into a wall of 19 horses to make the rail.
    This. Five horse fields without a gate made the #1 a great post.
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  16. 05-01-13 06:43 PM #51
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    So, back to the original question . . . can we get someone to post the DRF PPs? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridagolfer View Post
    So, back to the original question . . . can we get someone to post the DRF PPs? Thanks!


    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/horse-raci...-2013-pps.html
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  18. 05-02-13 06:22 AM #53
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    http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...ate=2013-05-04 derby
    http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...ate=2013-05-03 oaks
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  19. 05-02-13 06:23 AM #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    ahh...
    Got it.

    And orb or verrazano should be ML Favourites?
    They will be the favorites, not sure if they should.
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  20. 05-02-13 07:10 AM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGboothA View Post
    Looking better now, but still 40% chance of rain last I saw....
    70% chance this morning.
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  21. 05-02-13 08:20 AM #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post
    70% chance this morning.
    Yeah and now tomorrow looks wet too! COuld be an ugly one...

    Going to have to handicap all these damn races twice! LOL
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  22. 05-02-13 10:31 AM #57
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    Thanks for posting those Empire. I'm about a mile from the track as we speak. Wish I was a better capper with derby but it's such a hard race to pick. That being said, there will be tremendous value out there Saturday. I can't ignore Borel in the 3 spot. Pitino horse is legit and hey Rick has been on a hell of a run, can he now win a derby? Overanalyze sounds like a derby winner......

    I'll be interested to see everyone's input and thoughts. Let's keep this thread going. Daddy needs to fatten his Bovada account
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  23. 05-02-13 11:24 AM #58
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    I like Overanalyze as my top pick right now. Also boxing him with the 3, 10, & 19...
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  24. 05-02-13 11:39 AM #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmpireMaker View Post
    http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...ate=2013-05-04 derby
    http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...ate=2013-05-03 oaks
    Do have these w/ a different file? I can't open these on my mac for whatever reason...
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  25. 05-02-13 03:30 PM #60
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    Drop me a message and I'll email them to ya in the morning Kid. They are "read only" files but I think I got them to save to my desktop.
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