[justcashin]

Where i can find the info for Teams with Losing Road Records that have been played to eliminate them?

and what is the record, that they can have?

thanks for your posts

[JT The Chaser]

SUPER excited that I just found this forum! first post and I hope that someone takes over the role of telling people the picks daily in that thread that one of you was going to make. haha Ill leave that to you guys . Loving this thread keep it up playas!

[hockeygrl2011]

i have heard the morrison system is pretty decent for hockey and then i have heard people talk about how its a scam and not to buy into it. it depends what kind of betting strategy you want to do, but the morrison system works if u have alot to bet bc if the A and B dont hit u have to bet more for the C and that just blows, but who knows, ive been looking for a hockey strategy, if i find anything ill let you know

[pelos879]

I expanded it to only include four game home/road trips and to chase the entire road trip.
The chase for the road teams for ML is 76-2 and the PL is 78-0.
The individual game records in the chases were 76-71 for Ml and 78-29 for PL.
The Islanders and Wild each lost a four game road trip. There was one four game chase on the PL and it was part of an eight game road trip for the Senators. So the PL chase never went to the final game.
The chase for home teams was 78-2 on the ML and 80-0 on the PL.
The individual game records in the chases were 78-71 on the ML and 80-20 on the PL.
The Capitals and Canucks lost a four game and five game homestand respectively.
The PL chase only once went past 3 games and that was on the same Canucks 5 game homstand were it wasn't won until the final game of the homstand in a shootout game. The amount on the line for that 5th game would have been scary. The final two games were against the Coyotes and Jackets so the PL odds in each of those last two would have also jacked up the chase costs.
The PL have a perfect record for four game chases in 08-09 but a single loss could wipe out all the gains. The Canucks were dogs only once during the five game homestand and had a -220 +1.5 PL against the Sharks. They were favs all the other games and thus had higher than -220 odds on the PL. But even if we used -220 for all five games the amount you'd be betting on the 5th would be 144.2 units to chase one unit. A five game chase loss would be a little over 208 units. That only using -220 for each game. I am sure the actual damage would have been much, much more.

Have you ever used the home stand chase system? Looks like last year you would have lost those series with the Canucks and Capitals.

[Skalatharx]

i have heard the morrison system is pretty decent for hockey and then i have heard people talk about how its a scam and not to buy into it. it depends what kind of betting strategy you want to do, but the morrison system works if u have alot to bet bc if the A and B dont hit u have to bet more for the C and that just blows, but who knows, ive been looking for a hockey strategy, if i find anything ill let you know

Do not buy any of his systems, there are ways of creating you're own systems without having to pay for it.

[Blargh]

Have you ever used the home stand chase system? Looks like last year you would have lost those series with the Canucks and Capitals.

I have never used the home chase system. The post was backtesting the systems. As stated the record for the home team ML chase was 78-2 with the loses being Caps and Canucks. I never did check the odds but I am pretty sure the two loses would make the system unprofitable. The post was for the purpose of sharing info.

[pelos879]

Yea I was just wondering if anyone had success with either the home/away series systems

[threeg5]

although I understnad that you are merely asking about the home stand system this has nothing to do with it, it is completely different and pleasae read the posts in there entirety from begininng to end so you know what we will be doing come puck time.

[Cheme82]

Anyone that buys JM's 'new' hockey system for $247 (!!) let me know if it is simply a rip-off of the system I wrote about in the first post of this thread.

I am curious.

I'm sure that sucker stole the idea bro. He did the same with Cartytay's idea to make any road trip a series in NBA and now he sells it as a twist to his original system. I talked with Cartytay the other day and we were cracking up that JM is making more cash out of all the stuff we came up with on last year's NBA thread.

What a douchebag

Anyway, I'm playing the NHL system the way we did the trial run at the end of the season. Will wait at least a month to give everyone a chance to play some road games and then will only jump on teams above .500 on the road.

[G's pks]

teams above .500 only?

[threeg5]

So using the excel sheet from the earlier post in this thread the first play for MONTREAL would be on DEC. 19th. Is this correct? that is for anyone that knows for sure

Cheme82 - Is this system any different then the one that you refer to as the "trial run at the end of the season?" I understand we do not know if they will be .500+ but assuming they are. Or is there a different set of rules for it?

What are the comparisons and differences?

[pelos879]

although I understnad that you are merely asking about the home stand system this has nothing to do with it, it is completely different and pleasae read the posts in there entirety from begininng to end so you know what we will be doing come puck time.

Well aren't you guys just betting on 4 game homestands? Taking the ML when favorite and PL when dog? I used J Mo for baseball and B-ball and things worked out nice; hockey seems like it will work.

Also I know there are certain filters that apply.

The 3-game road trip system looks like it works also.

[threeg5]

Well aren't you guys just betting on 4 game homestands? Taking the ML when favorite and PL when dog? I used J Mo for baseball and B-ball and things worked out nice; hockey seems like it will work.

Also I know there are certain filters that apply.

The 3-game road trip system looks like it works also.

To address a few other things in the thread:
This system is for betting road teams, take your home team systems somewhere else!

Do not jump back and forth between road and home -- if you do that you are just capping the games not following a system.

I think there is no doubt we have something here and there is no doubt JM will steal it and try to sell it for at least $125 if he hasn't already.

Using these filters should work for 09-10:
1. don't play first series of season or last for any team
2. don't play second series of 3 on any road trip
3. play +1.5 whenever available
4. eliminate teams with losing road records once at least 25 games have been played. (At start of year, could use road records from last season but that is iffy).

Now sir please read entire thread before putting yourself in the postion of being more lazy then the rest of us. It is all laid out for you, and if you look hard enough on this thread you will see that there is an excel spreadsheet that you can download and follow along for yourself or with the rest of us.


Pelos BOL, and I hope you make good profits this year if you use this system.

[mcbain]

I agree cheme82 JM did the same thing with cartytay's system.

I am giving up on this thread I think. Too many STUPID questions!

I laid out the rules of our system as clear as can be yet people ask about home teams, when is the first series, etc.

cheme, start a new thread if you want with plays once the NHL season is a month old and we'll go from there.

[pelos879]

Haha ok cool it, I was just asking if anyone knew if that homestand system was legit. I know that we are betting away series. Can't wait for hockey to start...

[Unitage]

pick your spots find nice dogs, do not do this or any chase system especially ones that involve betting/chasing only big favs. Its a shorterm mirage and longterm suicide.
Chasing anything involved with gambling almost always leads to bad results.

[DennisGreen]

Honestly don't waste your time with any system involving the NHL it is the most volatile major sport there is. You will probably be up a fair amount betting every dog all year long.

[Unitage]

exactly, dennisgreen.
im an avid hockey fan and I know when the dog seems the most unlikely to win in the NHL they usually pull out the upset.
I dont even bother capping games as the randomness of the sport makes it useless (much like MLB]. Better off just looking for the best prices on whoever you want to play on. The NHL usually has softer lines than any of the other 3 big leagues as it is the least wagered on, providing ample opportunities.

[pete22]

I wonder why some people feel the need to invade a thread with their "wisdom" when they don´t have anything to contribute to the subject. I can assure you that we are several that knows that the 3 game chase works very good when it comes to hockey and other sports.
We know that you don´t like chasing. Then just stay away from it and leave it to the ones who knows how and who actually profits from it.
Maybe you can start your own thread and continue to spread all that "wisdom" to people who actually cares (if any).

Thanks for nothing.

Now, back to the subject...

[Cheme82]

So using the excel sheet from the earlier post in this thread the first play for MONTREAL would be on DEC. 19th. Is this correct? that is for anyone that knows for sure

Cheme82 - Is this system any different then the one that you refer to as the "trial run at the end of the season?" I understand we do not know if they will be .500+ but assuming they are. Or is there a different set of rules for it?

What are the comparisons and differences?

It's the same thing bro. I only play series on teams that have a winning road record, that's why I won't start until I give the teams some time to play road games.

The "trial run" we did last season were the last 8 series that fit the system. They all won but I believe 1 of them went to a C bet, 2 won on the B bet, and 5 won on the first game.

Since McBain got pissed at all the redundant questions I'll probably start a thread once I start playing them so you guys can track how it does in a full season.

[G's pks]

It's the same thing bro. I only play series on teams that have a winning road record, that's why I won't start until I give the teams some time to play road games.

The "trial run" we did last season were the last 8 series that fit the system. They all won but I believe 1 of them went to a C bet, 2 won on the B bet, and 5 won on the first game.

Since McBain got pissed at all the redundant questions I'll probably start a thread once I start playing them so you guys can track how it does in a full season.

I think setting up a money management method for those that follow too will help. It is important to understand...once in a while there will be a loss... People do not be betting the house on one series... We saw that happen in sam Odom's abc chase which he suggested betting $2500 on a "c" bet that lost... Also that was only 5 games into his system... Be careful...


I like this idea...but may look at a home chase...may still play this also once there is a nice clean thread started... GL G.

[threeg5]

Cheme82

Awesome would like to know the name of the thread when you start it. Also I will help to the best of my ability keep the "redundantees" referred to this thread to keep that thread clean.

Thanks cheme :cheers

Hope this works alright I am posting this off a blackberry

[mcbain]

I have seen Morrison's $247 NHL system and be assured folks it is basically the exact same thing I suggested in post 1 of this thread and wrote way back in March!

Don't buy it, just read the first post or follow cheme82's thread when NHL starts and you will be following that system. Why should he get $247?

I think the telltale sign is he said do not bet the second 3 games on a 6-game road trip whereas in the NBA he advises to bet them. (Again, refer to post 1).

Good luck to those that follow the system (and don't ask stupid questions) this NHL season!

[johncrud]

MCBAIN NHL SYSTEM RULES:
(the 1st post of this thread tells you everything you need to know)

It is very simple. We bet NHL road teams when they go on road trips of at least 3 games. When the team is the favorite, bet moneyline. When the team is the underdog, bet puckline +1.5.

Make A bet, if it loses bet B so you still profit, if it loses bet C so you still profit on the entire series.

Using these filters should work for 09-10:
1. don't play first series of season or last for any team
2. don't play second series of 3 on any road trip
3. play +1.5 whenever available
4. eliminate teams with losing road records once at least 25 games have been played. (At start of year, could use road records from last season but that is iffy).
possible 5. do not play against top 2-3 RPI teams when they are at home

Are you supposed to play +1.5 RL every single time to get that 140 - 1 record??

[betyuda]

Thanks mcbain for adding system #5. top 2-3 rpi. I m glad was able to contribute a little bit even though I m not as experienced in the NHL as you. The clear fact is that you will finish on top regardless as long as you follow this system and you ll probably have many more plays than following the JM system either way.

[betyuda]

Also thanks for posting the last comment. Also i think people should read the post before putting in everything and compiling the away and home games. it gets rather ridiculous, just look at the entire post

[G's pks]

Are you supposed to play +1.5 RL every single time to get that 140 - 1 record??

hockey is puck line...not run line...

[mcbain]

Johncrud: you bet +1.5 puckline WHEN AVAILABLE just like it says in the rules.

If your team is the favorite you bet moneyline. There is no +1.5 on your team when it is the favorite.

Not complicated, right?

Betyuda: that is a possible 5th filter you contributed, thanks. I think it is a wise move because missing out on a win is not as bad as taking a series loss that could have been easily avoided.

[do5000]

some books (i think 5dimes and pinny) offer the option to take -1 or +1 on the puckline (instead of -1.5 or +1.5).
The juice is different, but would likely result WAY more pushes, although i dont know if that would make this more or less profitable. especially if the 3rd game is a push.

Is there a quick way to backtest with a 1 goal PL instead of 1.5 ?
this was tried with an MLB system and it made a huge difference.

(just realized i may get blasted out of the water for this question, although i think its valid. mcbain, if you think its just going to ad more confusion, ill delete it)

[mcbain]

I will not blast you out of the water, but I would suggest way too many pushes in hockey if you bet +1.

Feel free to test it if you like, I personally don't think it would work for NHL and it is not this system.

Curious, when you say it made a huge difference for MLB, good or bad? By the way, Pinnacle does offer +1 and -1 for MLB but I don't think they do for NHL anyway.

[do5000]

this is the mlb thread i was referring to http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/baseball-h...egrity-p1.html , page 1 shows the premise and pages 7,8,9 show the work bettorbob has done on 1.5 RL vs 1 RL.
There was a spreadsheet somebody made that also had a formula how to make 2 bets (one ML and one RL) so the end result is a push if the team wins by 1 run and a win if the team wins by more than 1. dont know if i still have it but ill look around.

i think since so many nhl games are decided by one goal, this might reduce the number of games too much to make it usefull.
but maybe somebody can run it and let me know.

[mcbain]

I will not be running it but people have to remember that any game that goes to overtime (and then, possibly a shootout) in the NHL ends up as a one goal game guaranteed.

That is why the juice on +1.5 is so high. If you make it to the end of regulation tied, you win.

And there are many other games that end in a one-goal differential without going to OT.

[johncrud]

Wow, I just checked on the puckline for a -110 underdog, it is around -260.. A loss will cost you 30 units at least..

[mcbain]

And how would you be able to guarantee that all three games the team will go off at the same odds? Of course it will not, that is ludicrous.

And since when is a -110 team an underdog?

[johncrud]

-110/-110

At least 25 units if there is a loss. I have to wager half the amount for NHL compared to MLB or NBa.