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    Welcome to NHL GOLD. This system is a three game chase system based on teams winning/losing streaks. It is broken into two versions, Teams who win three games in a row S/U (V1), and teams who lose three games in a row S/U and ATS (V2). Needless to say, since this system is performance based, the chance of having both sides of a game being an official play at the same time does exist, and does happen on occasion. The v1 has been significantly stronger than the v2, each, however, only having one losing season thus far. When posted, the plays will be listed as “v2” for the plays that correspond to v2. If “v2” is not posted next to the game, assume it as a v1. A description of each system and a back test is listed below.

    V1 System (3 wins in a row S/U)
    The v1 is based on teams winning streaks. The puck lines don’t matter while qualifying a team to be a play. Look for teams who have won three straight games. Once you find them, you will FADE this team (bet on their opponent) in a three game chase for the next three games. If the team you are betting on is even money, or a favorite on ScoresandOdds.com, play the M/L. If they are a dog, play the P/L. The final lines atScoresandOdds.com will be used for stats results and for determining M/L or P/L.
    If your team wins the first bet ((A) bet)), the series is over. If it loses, you will proceed to a (B) bet, wagering the amount you lost in (A) plus whatever profit you were trying to achieve in (A). If (B) bet loses, your (C) bet will be losses from (A) + (B) + profit. If (C) loses, the series is over and we take a loss. Hockey betting can be one of the most expensive sports to lose a 3 game chase, so adjust your wagers accordingly. Generally a loss is around 20 units, many are lower, and some are larger (could be upwards of 30 units). There are generally 150-170 plays in the v1 system, and from my backtesting I have noticed that it is usually around 9 losses before we take a negative for the season. This has only happened once.

    Special Rules for v1:
    1) Never play the first three games of the season. Do not start counting team’s wins until their fourth game played.
    2) Never play a winning streak around the All Star or Olympic breaks unless all three games of the chase are before the break or all three games of the chase are after the break. The winning streak to qualify the teams can span the break, but ALL the actual games we are betting on must all be BEFORE or AFTER the break. E.g.: A team qualifies near the all star break with three wins in a row. The team has two remaining games before the break. This team will NOT be a play because all three of the chase games were not before the break. E.g.: A team qualifies by winning their last two games before the break, and their first game after the break. This will be a play because ALL three chase games will be after the break.
    3) If a team has a 6, 9, 12, 15, … game winning streak, there will be multiple plays during that streak. Each three in a row will be a play, so if a team has a 12 game winning streak, there will be four different chases along the way. These chases will never overlap, because the first one will always be concluded by the start of the next one.
    4) NEVER START A CHASE IF IT CANNOT BE CONCLUDED. If a team wins three in a row, and does not have at least three remaining games on their schedule, do NOT play the series.
    5) The way you play head-head games it at your discretion, but the system will count and play ALL qualified teams, unless they qualify at the same time, and their potential (C) bets will be against each other, we may opt not to play. I will help you recognize these with notes on the updates.


    V2 System (3 losses in a row S/U and ATS)
    The v2 system is a little different than the v1, the bet structure is the same and we will still be using ScoresandOdds.com, however, there is a little more to it than just losing three straight. Find teams that have lost 3 straight games. Next, make sure these teams have also lost three straight ATS. This means that a favorite or even play will only have to lose the game, but a dog team has to lose by 2 or more goals. This info will be determined from the final lines at ScoresandOdds.com. Once a team qualifies, you will bet on that team to get a WIN in one of their next three games, same three game chase applies. So for the v2, we are betting ON the team, as opposed to the v1 where we are betting AGAINST the team.

    Special rules for v2
    1) You will use ATS as well as S/U to qualify teams.
    2) Never play the first two games of the season, it is OK to start with game 3.
    3) The All Star and Olympic breaks rule is the same as v1.
    4) The winning streaks rule is the same as v1, provided all the games meet the ATS requirement.
    5) Never start a chase if it cannot be concluded.
    6) Head to head games it at your discretion, but all games will count in system..

    The v2 has significantly less plays than the v1, mainly because of the ATS requirement. It will take less losses than the v1 to be negative for the season. This has only happened once so far, 6 losses for a net of (-40 units). The same year the v1 was +29, so the overall effect was (-11 units). The v1 has only had one losing season (-18 units) but that was also the year that v2 only did +6 units. The other years, the two in combination did phenomenally well. If you were to pick one over the other, I would go with the v1. But it seems that even the years that one happens to lose, the other one picks it up some. The years that both teams win, they win big. Below is a backtest through the 2005-06 season. I have listed them separately and combined, so you can see how they did on their own and together. The results are accurate and can be checked by anyone.

    I in no way guarantee that this season or any other future season will produce the same results as posted below. This is merely a backtest of previous performance, and shows the increase of probability that it will happen again. It doesn’t mean it will. Please do not bet above your means. I am in no way selling anything to anybody, profiting off of their wagers, or twisting their arm to place a bet. I am merely providing information that can easily be verified by doing your own backtest. Everything is laid out here, and there are NO GUARANTEES when it comes to sports wagering.
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    Wallco NHL GOLD backtest for v1 System


    V1 backtest

    2010-11 (161-3)
    A) 105-59
    B) 44-15
    C) 12-3
    Losses: LAK (-23.8 ), NAS (-26.82), ATL (-17.94)

    Total profit: +92.44 units


    2009-10 (158-4)
    A) 104-58
    B) 40-18
    C) 14-4
    Losses: LAK (-11.82), PHO (-19.70), WAS (-22.83), WAS (-18.20)

    Total profit: +85.45 units


    2008-09 (150-7)
    A) 101-56
    B) 37-19
    C) 12-7
    Losses: BOS (-16.16), CHI (-19.2), CHI (-23.96), DET (-9.89), DET (-20.69), PIT (-16.55), ATL (-20.47)

    Total profit: +23.08 units


    2007-08 (160-9)
    A) 113-56
    B) 39-17
    C) 8-9
    Losses: ANA (-25.01), CAL (-12.35), DAL (-18.5), DET (-20.21), NJ (-27.14), NYI (-12.73), PIT (-21.95),
    SJ(-16.13), WAS(-20.8)

    Total profit: -14.82 units


    2006-07 (156-4)
    A) 100-60
    B) 39-21
    C) 17-4
    Losses: CAL (-18.13), CAL (-15.48), NAS (-14.96), PHO (-18.79)

    Total profit: +88.64 units


    2005-06 (159-7)
    A) 108-58
    B) 29-29
    C) 22-7
    Losses: BUF (-14.09), CBS (-32.32), DET (10.54), DET(-18.65), NAS(-28.37), NYR(-14.07), OTT(-11.51)

    Total profit: +29.45 units


    V1 Grand Total +304.24 units (avg +50.71 units/season)

    ________________________________________ ___________________________




    V2 backtest

    2010-11 (86-3)
    A) 52-37
    B) 25-12
    C) 9-3
    Losses: COL (-9.85), NJ (-29.58), WAS (-23.64)

    Total profit: +22.93 units


    2009-10 (79-1)
    A) 56-24
    B) 12-12
    C) 11-1
    Losses: EDM (-19.7)

    Total profit: +59.3 units


    2008-09 (70-1)
    A) 48-23
    B) 15-8
    C) 7-1
    Losses: COL (-12.71)

    Total profit: +57.29 units


    2007-08 (87-4)
    A) 52-39
    B) 28-11
    C) 7-4
    Losses: ANA (-25.39), DET (-20.93), NYI (-15.33), OTT (-18.89)

    Total profit: +6.46 units


    2006-07 (84-2)
    A) 59-27
    B) 17-10
    C) 8-2
    Losses: EDM (-23.55), MON (-16.62)

    Total profit: +43.83 units


    2005-06 (65-6)
    A) 40-31
    B) 18-13
    C) 7-6
    Losses: CBS (-14.57), EDM (-20.33), STL (-28.44), STL (-9.20), WAS (-9.10), ATL (-20.14)

    Total profit: -40.78 units


    V2 Grand Total +149.03 units (avg +24.84 units/season)

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    Both systems combined

    2010-11 (247-6)
    A) 156-95
    B) 68-27
    C) 21-6

    Total profit: +115.37 units


    2009-10 (237-5)
    A) 160-82
    B) 52-30
    C) 25-5

    Total profit: +144.75 units


    2008-09 (220-8)
    A) 149-79
    B) 52-27
    C) 19-8

    Total profit: +80.37 units


    2007-08 (247-13)
    A) 165-95
    B) 67-28
    C) 15-13

    Total profit: -8.36 units


    2006-07 (240-6)
    A) 159-87
    B) 56-31
    C) 25-6

    Total profit: +132.47 units


    2005-06 (224-13)
    A) 148-89
    B) 47-42
    C) 29-13

    Total profit: -11.33 units


    Combined Grand Total +453.27 units (avg +75.54 units/season)
    Last edited by Wallco99; 10-21-11 at 07:33 PM.

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    Great Job Wallco !!!!!!!

    looks like another income stream for the Cashman..........a great labby situation......

    This might also work for NBA once those clowns decide to start playing again...............

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    Thanks for bring it up Wallco, lets make some money

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    Quote Originally Posted by JW Cash View Post
    Great Job Wallco !!!!!!!

    looks like another income stream for the Cashman..........a great labby situation......

    This might also work for NBA once those clowns decide to start playing again...............
    I ran this type system there last year, the v2 portion only. We went 85-0. It's all documented in last year's JM NBA thread. I called it Chase 110. It was very similar, a few different details.

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    This thread is pure gold

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    What if the team has won 4 in a row wait till a 3 game win streak? Or play them with only a three game win streak? Thx

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    but caps will go 82-0-0 this thread clearly doesn't apply to them...haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16johnnymac View Post
    What if the team has won 4 in a row wait till a 3 game win streak? Or play them with only a three game win streak? Thx
    If they won 4 in a row, you would have already played your (A) bet on the fourth game. Depending on the result of that game, the series may be over until they get to 6 wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalen__rose View Post
    but caps will go 82-0-0 this thread clearly doesn't apply to them...haha
    Sounds like 27 three game chases for one team. That would be an All time record!

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    What's the play if both Team are on 4 game win streak

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    Wallco NHL GOLD
    2011-12 System to date: 2-0 (v2:1-0) (fin. series)
    System profit/loss: +2.00 units (finished series)
    Current open series: 2 (-4.75 units)

    (10/20/11):
    #1 Nashville (+1) v2 (A) - Loss
    #2 Montreal (+1) v2 (A) - Loss
    #3 Chicago (M/L) (A) - Win
    #4 Tampa Bay (M/L) (A) - Win

    (A) 2-2
    (B) 0-0
    (C) 0-0


    Games for (10/21/11):
    #5 St. Louis (M/L) (A)
    #6 Anaheim (M/L) (A)

    I will have more info on future updates, I am just trying to get caught up in here and create my spreadsheet. All of these plays were posted in the Home Favorites thread that is run by on3, during the past two days. Check there if you need verification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16johnnymac View Post
    What's the play if both Team are on 4 game win streak
    One will be M/L and one will be (+1 1/2). We are really hoping for a one goal game. Please stop saying 4 game win streaks, it is three to qualify. I don't want people confused before we even get started. So far, both of your questions were answered in post 1. Please read what is written.

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    Thanks Wallco from a follower

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    We have 6 plays for Saturday, two of them are our first head-head match. Will post tomorrow.

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    Wallco NHL GOLD
    2011-12 System to date: 3-0 (v2:1-0) (fin. series)
    System profit/loss: +3.00 units (finished series)
    Current open series: 3 (-6.30 units)

    (10/21/11):
    #5 St. Louis (M/L) (A) - Win
    #6 Anaheim (M/L) (A) - Loss

    (A) 3-3
    (B) 0-0
    (C) 0-0


    Games for (10/22/11):
    #1 Nashville (+1) @ Calgary (B) v2 (4:05 pm EDT)
    #2 Toronto @ Montreal (M/L) (B) v2 (7:05 pm EDT)
    #6 Dallas @ L.A. Kings (M/L) (B) (7:05 pm EDT)
    #7 Buffalo @ Tampa Bay (+1) (A) v2 (7:05 pm EDT)
    #8 Dallas (+1) @ L.A. Kings (A) (10:35 pm EDT)
    #9 Detroit (+1) @ Washington (A) (7:05 pm EDT)


    ** Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1 1/2) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com's final lines.
    System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.
    Last edited by Wallco99; 10-22-11 at 11:27 AM.

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    GL Wallco.

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    shouldnt washington be a ML play against detroit also??

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    awesome job Wallco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knugen View Post
    shouldnt washington be a ML play against detroit also??
    NO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantorras77 View Post
    awesome job Wallco!
    Just hope this season follows trend. But I'm sure there is those who hopes it doesn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagball52 View Post
    GL Wallco.
    Thanks amigo.

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    Chase or Labby? How are you guys gonna do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imotiv8 View Post
    Chase or Labby? How are you guys gonna do this?
    I chase everything, but it would probably be a great candidate for labby since there are so many plays.

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    Keep your eyes on Tampa Bay money line. Right now we are on +1 1/2, Could switch by game time.

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    Wallco NHL GOLD
    2011-12 System to date: 7-0 (v2:3-0) (fin. series)
    System profit/loss: +7.00 units (finished series)
    Current open series: 2 (-9.55 units)

    (10/22/11):
    #1 Nashville (+1)(B) v2 - Win
    #2 Montreal (M/L) (B) v2 - Loss
    #6 L.A. Kings (M/L) (B) - Win
    #7 Tampa Bay (+1) (A) v2 - Win
    #8 Dallas (+1) (A) - Win
    #9 Detroit (+1) (A) - Loss

    (A) 5-4
    (B) 2-1
    (C) 0-0


    There are no System plays for (10/23/11):



    ** Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1 1/2) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com's final lines.
    System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

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    How about Anaheim it's B play?

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    It should be they lost on the 21st. So they should be bet( b) for today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavv4 View Post
    How about Anaheim it's B play?
    Refer to the bet #'s not the team. We weren't playing Anaheim to win one, rather we were playing a Dallas fade in bet #6. That bet lost. We won the Dallas fade bet (#6) yesterday with the KIngs (B). It's easier to follow the patterns if you keep track of the bets by the bet # rather than the team. We are fading teams that win three straight (S/U), and betting on teams that lose three straight (S/U and ATS).

    Summary: Anaheim is not a play today.

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    I am trying to find the least confusing way to post the plays. The system is not complicated, but the posting of the plays can be a little tricky, as to not cause confusion. The number system seemed to help a lot during MLB, and I'm sure it will have the same effect here, once people become familiar with it. If anyone has any suggestions, I am always listening, to make the results page clearer for everyone. Keep in mind, it takes a lot of time to compile the info that I already do every day, not to mention, too much info turns into clutter.

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    Numbers should be clear enuf and make sure to refer whether it is A,B, or C bet to know if it's a new series or old, which wallco does already

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    A V2 C ML play on Montreal tomorrow night against the Panthers? Is that right? Scary stuff...

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    Im assuming most will run a 2 or 3 line labby on this? I know JW Cash is a guru on labbys so if he would chime in that would be great as well!

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    Also, does anyone have proof that a labby is -ev and will lose longterm? I hear a lot of people say that labbys will lose..

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