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    What are some gambling tips, pointers, and warnings

    Hello, this is my first time posting on this website, but I have been reading the forums the past month or so and finally chose to register (and post).

    A little background information on me:

    I would consider myself to have intermediate knowledge of sports gambling. I'm currently a college student, age 21, but have been gambling for 5+ years.

    I'm usually a pretty conservative gambler, putting anywhere from 40-100 bucks into an online account every once in a while, usually just doing $5-10 bets . Last year, though, I was able to find a bookie at my school, and my bets increased to the point where i was wagering $100s (and even $1000s) weekly. He has since graduated, and I have gone back to my online sportsbooks. Surprisingly, I made more money off the bookie than I have off sports books online (even though I did a poor job with money management).

    Anyways, I would consider myself pretty knowledgeable when it comes to sports (specifically basketball and football) and being able to evaluate and compare talents and/or teams. My problems seem to be:
    1) I have really bad luck (haha just kidding).
    2) I don't know all the intricacies of gambling.
    So my question to the board is:
    What are some guidelines that should be used when betting?
    Some examples I've come across are:
    1) In football, a 7.5 spread is basically the same thing as a 9.5, because teams hardly win by 8 or 9 points. So betting on a team that was -7.5, regardless of their talent level, is not a good bet when it comes to gambling/mathematics.

    2) In basketball, point spreads of -0.5, 0, and 0.5 are essentially the same thing, because of the low percentage of games that result in a one point win/loss, and the inability to tie. So using this knowledge, if you were to bet a 4-point teaser, and one of the teams was -2, they would then move to +2. This is not a good bet when it comes to gambling/mathematics, because 3 of the 8 spots (counting them as 0.5 movements) I moved are considered to be valued at the same amount, so I really only moved the line 6 spots (3 points), rather than the full amount allowed of 8 spots (4 points)

    3) Another one I found interesting, are the odds given on parlays. For example, a common pay out for an 8 team parlay would be 150 to 1, assuming the normal -110 odds. If the player were to make this exact same wager, but instead chose 7 teams with -110 odds, and 1 team with -120 odds, the payout would be 168 to 1. So including the team with the worse odds, -120 in this case, would actually benefit the players payout.
    Thank you in advance for any information provided.



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    I can't help you with sports to much as I win more from casino's. So if you want casino tips here it goes.

    Some tips and I do go by it. You must remember this first, you must have the funds to beat the system. If you have $500 to start with and bet $1 on blackjack and lose double your bet next hand. Do this until you win. I have never lost on a trust worthy site more then 15 times in a row. This system is best used at real live casino or online live casino. This system is also good on website like Casino On Net for roulette where many players are joined in a same room.

    Start $500
    Bet $1
    Lose = $499
    Bet $2
    Lose = $497
    Bet $4
    Win = $501
    Back to bet bet $1. Remember do this only on live casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king View Post
    I can't help you with sports to much as I win more from casino's. So if you want casino tips here it goes.

    Some tips and I do go by it. You must remember this first, you must have the funds to beat the system. If you have $500 to start with and bet $1 on blackjack and lose double your bet next hand. Do this until you win. I have never lost on a trust worthy site more then 15 times in a row. This system is best used at real live casino or online live casino. This system is also good on website like Casino On Net for roulette where many players are joined in a same room.

    Start $500
    Bet $1
    Lose = $499
    Bet $2
    Lose = $497
    Bet $4
    Win = $501
    Back to bet bet $1. Remember do this only on live casino.

    After 15 consecutive losses your next bet would need to be $32,768.
    Martingaling will produce the same results in the long run as betting flat stakes.
    Last edited by FourLengthsClear; 03-01-11 at 07:54 PM.

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    You have made some decent observations on winning margins / push probabilities. Just continue to looking into those and look for spots where you can utilise that knowledge to your advantage. Look at "Wong Teasers" as an example.

    Two good books that will help you are

    Sharp Sports Betting by Stanford Wong, and
    Conquering Risk (available in the SBR Store).

    It is important to recognise that discipline and solid management of your bankroll are more important than anything else.

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    ^^^ bro seems like top advice. just like to add read everything by ganchrow and u will quickly learn who else to stalk for info.

    does any1 actually make more than pennies an hour trying to clear blackjack bonuses etc, or is it all bots now?

    for sure there r prolly ways to beat the download but guess u can get found out and lose all ur money in 1 go, right? not puter savvy enough to mess with that myself.

    any1 know about this sort of thing - just curious.

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    My advice --Do not chase and flat bet

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    Martingale/Progressive betting is stupid (king should be banned for mentioning it)


    The points you mention regarding the value of a point in basketball and football are discussed at length in Stanford Wong's book. I'll second that notion as an excellent fundamentals book.

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    I only have 1 golden rule - never chase losses with doubling your next bet!

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    For your first two examples, see half point calculator.

    For the third one, is the books' parlay odds calculator broken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLXC View Post
    For your first two examples, see half point calculator. For the third one, is the books' parlay odds calculator broken?

    Just looked over the half point calculator, and I am still a bit confused with what the data is suppose to be telling me (can anyone help explain this better?)

    I apologize for the third example, but it was one I read somewhere online. Upon reading that information, I was tempted to see if it were true, so I went to my online sportsbook (sportsbook.com, yes I'm aware it's not the best gambling website) and tested this theory out. On their payout page, as well as manually doing a parlay with those odds for verification, I came to find these were truly their odds (150 to 1 on an 8 team parlay). Right after that, I did the same parlay, but took one team out, and added a team at like -135, only to find the payout to be significantly higher (around 168 to 1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by king View Post
    I can't help you with sports to much as I win more from casino's. So if you want casino tips here it goes.

    Some tips and I do go by it. You must remember this first, you must have the funds to beat the system. If you have $500 to start with and bet $1 on blackjack and lose double your bet next hand. Do this until you win. I have never lost on a trust worthy site more then 15 times in a row. This system is best used at real live casino or online live casino. This system is also good on website like Casino On Net for roulette where many players are joined in a same room.

    Start $500
    Bet $1
    Lose = $499
    Bet $2
    Lose = $497
    Bet $4
    Win = $501
    Back to bet bet $1. Remember do this only on live casino.
    OMG, I thought I was the newb. Like FourLengthsClear stated above, you'd have to bet over 32K just to be back up $1, lol. Plus it would be hilarious going from one table limit to another to get this bet down with your losing martingale system. I've seen red or black on the roulette wheel come out numerous times at 10+ times in a row, meanwhile the people betting against it losing their azz doubling up all along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamblingGuru View Post
    Just looked over the half point calculator, and I am still a bit confused with what the data is suppose to be telling me (can anyone help explain this better?)

    I apologize for the third example, but it was one I read somewhere online. Upon reading that information, I was tempted to see if it were true, so I went to my online sportsbook (sportsbook.com, yes I'm aware it's not the best gambling website) and tested this theory out. On their payout page, as well as manually doing a parlay with those odds for verification, I came to find these were truly their odds (150 to 1 on an 8 team parlay). Right after that, I did the same parlay, but took one team out, and added a team at like -135, only to find the payout to be significantly higher (around 168 to 1).
    interesting about the parlays... just goes to show how hard we get screwed on parlays. not that i ever done more than 2 teamers.

    The HPC shows very roughly what % of the time a team with the line u input lands on a certain spread/total. so u can easily compare say -3 @ -110 and -3.5 +102 to see which is the better bet.

    also for comparing alt lines/ ML / buying points/ teasers etc.

    change ur odds to %. then add (subtract) the relevant % then reconvert back to odds --> chose better payout.

    ts a fairly rough tool though and hasn't been updated in a while...

    good luck

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    Yeah, whatever you do, don't Martingale. My best advice is to read through some of the threads in this forum (not the other subforums on SBR, but the Think Tank specifically). You'll learn a lot if you comb through a bunch of these threads. Some smart minds in here.

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    Sounds like you have a pretty solid foundation for a 21 year old. Personally, I found Conquering Risk to be a great resource, much better than Sharp Sports Betting. Start working with props to understand basic handicapping methods. Open up multiple online sportsbooks in order to find the best odds and promotions for each sport. NEVER do anything like King explained above. Start small, keep detailed records, and learn over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king View Post
    I can't help you with sports to much as I win more from casino's. So if you want casino tips here it goes.

    Some tips and I do go by it. You must remember this first, you must have the funds to beat the system. If you have $500 to start with and bet $1 on blackjack and lose double your bet next hand. Do this until you win. I have never lost on a trust worthy site more then 15 times in a row. This system is best used at real live casino or online live casino. This system is also good on website like Casino On Net for roulette where many players are joined in a same room.

    Start $500
    Bet $1
    Lose = $499
    Bet $2
    Lose = $497
    Bet $4
    Win = $501
    Back to bet bet $1. Remember do this only on live casino.
    This clown just posted the #1 thing that you never want to do unless you want to end up broke and hang out at Gamblers Anonymous meetings for the next 10 years.

    This guy should be banned from this site for even suggesting such an idiotic betting system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    This clown just posted the #1 thing that you never want to do unless you want to end up broke and hang out at Gamblers Anonymous meetings for the next 10 years. This guy should be banned from this site for even suggesting such an idiotic betting system.
    pretty sure he was joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itriedsohard View Post
    pretty sure he was joking.
    Well in that case he left out the most important part.........the punchline.

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    I've heard about this casino betting system called Martingale you should maybe check it out

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    1. Research - almost any question you can come up with has already been asked on this forum or others.
    2. Money Management - look up Kelly Criterion.
    3. Quality Sportsbooks - only use books that you are very confident you will get paid from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king View Post
    I can't help you with sports to much as I win more from casino's. So if you want casino tips here it goes.

    Some tips and I do go by it. You must remember this first, you must have the funds to beat the system. If you have $500 to start with and bet $1 on blackjack and lose double your bet next hand. Do this until you win. I have never lost on a trust worthy site more then 15 times in a row. This system is best used at real live casino or online live casino. This system is also good on website like Casino On Net for roulette where many players are joined in a same room.

    Start $500
    Bet $1
    Lose = $499
    Bet $2
    Lose = $497
    Bet $4
    Win = $501
    Back to bet bet $1. Remember do this only on live casino.
    king - The sportsbooks and casinos sometimes read these forums.

    PLEASE delete your post as soon as possible - we can't let the casinos know about the Road to Riches which you have posted above.

    This must be kept TOP SECRET!

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    Good point on parlay cards. Check wizardofodds.com for his comments on parleys in the NBA section. I have no connection with the guy, but he has some good info.

    This is an example of thinking/hard work getting a good deal. Basically the books/players are lazy. The parlay with -110 on all games is payed using a predefined payout table. Put in the -120 and the book calculates the payoff on the parlay card. The book takes a bigger edge on the "canned standard parlay card" vs. the customized calculated parlay card. Player gets paid more because of the smaller cut for the bookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberbabble View Post
    Good point on parlay cards. Check wizardofodds.com for his comments on parleys in the NBA section. I have no connection with the guy, but he has some good info. This is an example of thinking/hard work getting a good deal. Basically the books/players are lazy. The parlay with -110 on all games is payed using a predefined payout table. Put in the -120 and the book calculates the payoff on the parlay card. The book takes a bigger edge on the "canned standard parlay card" vs. the customized calculated parlay card. Player gets paid more because of the smaller cut for the bookie.
    Thanks for the explanation CB. Also, wizardofodds.com is where I found a couple of the examples I posted here. I found them all very interesting and useful, and it also led me to create this thread, to find out if there are any other strategies for bettering your odds such as the one provided on that website.

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