Early steam plays where the line originates - would it be successful?

**jolmscheid** · 01-10-12, 04:28 PM

It seems like it would work...

**jolmscheid** · 01-10-12, 04:28 PM

But once you follow steam you already don't have the best line..

**in play, run(s)** · 01-10-12, 04:36 PM

That's fairly obvious

But in most cases, the fair line differs by more than a point. So you may get a winner less on every 50 picks played, but should still be good enough, shouldn't it?

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-10-12, 04:42 PM

For something like this you are going to have to do your own donkey work.
If it works, nobody who does it is going to tell you it works.

In NCAAB, G-C (to my knowledge) tends to post lines first and you have a huge potential sample to back test with.

**Masu485** · 01-10-12, 04:52 PM

If you people have theories, test them out yourselves! Do you honestly expect someone to come in here saying "Yes, it's been working for years, don't know why everyone doesn't do it"?

**in play, run(s)** · 01-10-12, 04:53 PM

I don't want to know how exactly to do it, I don't even plan on doing it. I just want to know if it's possible and if not, why.

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-10-12, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by in play, run(s)

I don't want to know how exactly to do it, I don't even plan on doing it. I just want to know if it's possible and if not, why.

It is possible, at low limits, but only if you have access to those very first numbers posted at G-C. By the time a number is posted by any offshore book the weak number and any value is long gone.

**illfuuptn** · 01-10-12, 05:46 PM

G-C=?

**YouMama** · 01-10-12, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Masu485

If you people have theories, test them out yourselves! Do you honestly expect someone to come in here saying "Yes, it's been working for years, don't know why everyone doesn't do it"?

most of everything has been thoght of before, but sharing basic info and general ideas is a start, might give someone the inspiration to build on it ... test it, use it and keep it to themselves

**jolmscheid** · 01-10-12, 06:15 PM

What is G-C?

**in play, run(s)** · 01-10-12, 06:49 PM

Is it a casino?

**YouMama** · 01-10-12, 07:10 PM

he said it was the book that posts the first ncaab lines ...but I wouldnt think this system would have alot of value though, cuz u would need access to the very first unbet virgin lines, then the opening public lines after the sharps... then wait and see if it gets back close the virgin line?

**sharpcat** · 01-10-12, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

For something like this you are going to have to do your own donkey work.
If it works, nobody who does it is going to tell you it works.

In NCAAB, G-C (to my knowledge) tends to post lines first and you have a huge potential sample to back test with.

Nobody that comes in the think tank anymore cares to do their own donkey work. This is why nobody with a clue post here anymore, why in the world would any profitable player want to come in here and hand out +EV information to a bunch of clowns who can't even tie there own shoes.

Bunch of lazy MF'ers begging other people to do their homework for them and teach them how to make money, or better yet how to cut into the profits of those who took the time to do their own work.

90% of the questions asked here are topics that have been gone over time and time again and yet people are too lazy to do a simple f'ing google search.

**in play, run(s)** · 01-10-12, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by YouMama

then wait and see if it gets back close the virgin line?

Not at all... I said, wait until the very first line move you observe, then tail it. Because the line has already moved, you'll get half a point worse line maybe, but it should still generate profit on the long run.

To sharpcat... once again, I didn't ask anyone to give me instructions on how to make money. My question was for academic reasons only. I don't even handicap US sports as I'm from Europe, there aren't any virgin lines over here to exploit that.

**jolmscheid** · 01-10-12, 08:43 PM

Also to Sharpcat...just asking FourLengths what G-C stands for...that's all..

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-10-12, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by illfuuptn

G-C=?

Sorry, Gold Coast casino which AFAIK is generally the first place to post lines for NCAAB. I hope someone will correct me if that is wrong.

**MonkeyF0cker** · 01-10-12, 09:37 PM

Gold Coast? In Vegas?

No.

BetOnline.

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-10-12, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Gold Coast? In Vegas?

No.

BetOnline.

If that is the case, I stand corrected.

Really though, no Vegas outfit puts up a number before BOL?

**jolmscheid** · 01-10-12, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Gold Coast? In Vegas?

No.

BetOnline.

They are first for all sports? What time are the overnights released?

**MonkeyF0cker** · 01-10-12, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

If that is the case, I stand corrected.

Really though, no Vegas outfit puts up a number before BOL?

Not for NCAAB.

**RickySteve** · 01-11-12, 04:02 AM

Gold Coast isn't even the hub of that family and if they originated on anything it would take 4 managers around 25 minutes on the phone to get a limit high 2-figure bet down.

**jolmscheid** · 01-11-12, 09:36 PM

So who then releases the first line? Pinny, bookmaker, greek, or a book in Vegas?

**Masu485** · 01-11-12, 11:27 PM

I noticed BetOnline putting out weak ass NFL lines a full week before BM and Greek.

**LT Profits** · 01-11-12, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

Sorry, Gold Coast casino which AFAIK is generally the first place to post lines for NCAAB. I hope someone will correct me if that is wrong.

I thought you were referring to Glantz-Culver line, which I believe is line BOL clones for early openers?