[WittyUsername30]

A friend and I have an MLB betting model with an ROI of 5% on each dollar bet. We are ready to drastically increase our bankroll, but we have concerns about offshore gambling accounts. We currently have our bankroll split between BetOnline.ag and Bookmaker.eu. A few questions for the more experienced gamblers out there:

• Does BetOnline / BookMaker suspend accounts for professional gamblers? If so, would they freeze funds, or just simply stop allowing you to place bets? Would obviously like to avoid having money frozen in an offshore gambling account.
  
• Both sites have attractive re-deposit bonuses that we could rollover every 2-3 weeks. Should we take advantage of these bonuses, or would this be a potential red flag leading to account suspension / freezing funds?
  
• Are there any other trustworthy offshore sites that we should feel comfortable depositing money into?
  
• With sports gambling legal in various states in the US now, are there strategies / avenues to make sizable bets in the US, without living in a state where sports gambling is legal?

Any other advice / tips / tricks to maximize our amount of money bet would be much appreciated. As you can tell, we are by no means experts in the world of sports gambling. Our goal is to maximize the amount of dollars we are able to bet without risking account suspensions / frozen funds. TIA.

[Stallion]

First get your money out of Betonline. Second, Bookmaker is an A+ book, but I would look for other accounts at Pinnacle, 5 Dimes, or Heritage.

[WittyUsername30]

First get your money out of Betonline. Second, Bookmaker is an A+ book, but I would look for other accounts at Pinnacle, 5 Dimes, or Heritage.

Thanks for the advice. Why move money out of BetOnline? Their lines seem to be quite friendly, but if there's a risk of frozen funds then it's not worth it. And would you have a preferred account between Pinnacle / 5 Dimes / Heritage, or just deposit across all three equally?

[KVB]

Thanks for the advice. Why move money out of BetOnline? Their lines seem to be quite friendly, but if there's a risk of frozen funds then it's not worth it. And would you have a preferred account between Pinnacle / 5 Dimes / Heritage, or just deposit across all three equally?

Deposit across all if you can, be prepared for issues if you beat the markets at 5D or even Heritage, but Pinny and bookmaker will likely take your action.

Be careful hitting the max bets at 5D, that used to never work well if beating the market, not sure anymore though.

[WittyUsername30]

Deposit across all if you can, be prepared for issues if you beat the markets at 5D or even Heritage, but Pinny and bookmaker will likely take your action.

Be careful hitting the max bets at 5D, that used to never work well if beating the market, not sure anymore though.

Much appreciated. For 5D and Heritage, what's the worst case scenario if they determine we are professionals? They could lower our max bet or quit taking our bets altogether, but I assume our funds would be safe to withdraw?

[Stallion]

There has been a lot of negative comments about Betonline lately. I live in Canada so I have access to Pinnacle and it is the best book, but if you can't access Pinnacle I would use Heritage and 5 Dimes. I would rank them

1. Pinnacle
2. Heritage
3. 5 Dimes

Spread your money out at all 3 if possible.

[KVB]

Much appreciated. For 5D and Heritage, what's the worst case scenario if they determine we are professionals? They could lower our max bet or quit taking our bets altogether, but I assume our funds would be safe to withdraw?

Yes you will safe with those houses. Haven't had much experience with the 5D crew since the tragic loss of Tony.

Heritage will limit you if you are beating that closer, even if you aren't winning but it could take a while in the major sports. I've seen different accounts get different treatment.

These books are top notch in my opinion.

[BigdaddyQH]

Much appreciated. For 5D and Heritage, what's the worst case scenario if they determine we are professionals? They could lower our max bet or quit taking our bets altogether, but I assume our funds would be safe to withdraw?

IF they determine that you are professionals. With this post, they already have. NEVER post ANYTHING that can tip off an Off Shore Book. They will do anything to take your for everything you can. Off Shore Books are a rip off. If you can't wager and collect your winnings within one hour, you are going to be taken, eventually. Remember, they have your money, NOT you.

[KVB]

It really is best not to listen to that BigDaddy character.

He really has no clue and knows better than to post in the think tank, even if your post is meant for the Sportsbook Forum.

BigDaddy has been shown to not actually bet has also been shown to not understand how the offshore business works, or Vegas for that matter.

He's the last guy you should take any advice from, just look around and you'll see for yourself, everything I say can be verified right here in the Think Tank, you needn't go any further.

BigDaddy does not know.

[Waterstpub87]

Any of the A+ books, 99%+ of the time are going to pay you. I've played only with b through A books, and never had a problem cashing out.

If you pull money out, and redeposit over and over again, they are going to cut your bonuses. If you actually are consistently winning, they are going to cut them anyway, especially at bookmaker. It is a red flag. Easier to just cycle. Go from bookmaker to betonline to heritage ect. By the time you get back to the first book, some time has elapsed, so it looks less obvious.

I also like wagerweb. Always have paid me pretty directly. 50% cash bonus on the first deposit, they might still give you an extra 5% for coming from SBR.

[vampire assassin]

If you think you will hold 5% on MLB and you're asking questions in this forum, you won't hold 5% in MLB. That is a very optimistic projection (unless you are betting overnights).

[WittyUsername30]

It really is best not to listen to that BigDaddy character.

He really has no clue and knows better than to post in the think tank, even if your post is meant for the Sportsbook Forum.

BigDaddy has been shown to not actually bet has also been shown to not understand how the offshore business works, or Vegas for that matter.

He's the last guy you should take any advice from, just look around and you'll see for yourself, everything I say can be verified right here in the Think Tank, you needn't go any further.

BigDaddy does not know.

Thank you - very much appreciate the assist here.

[WittyUsername30]

Yes you will safe with those houses. Haven't had much experience with the 5D crew since the tragic loss of Tony.

Heritage will limit you if you are beating that closer, even if you aren't winning but it could take a while in the major sports. I've seen different accounts get different treatment.

These books are top notch in my opinion.

Do you have an opinion on BetOnline?

[WittyUsername30]

Any of the A+ books, 99%+ of the time are going to pay you. I've played only with b through A books, and never had a problem cashing out.

If you pull money out, and redeposit over and over again, they are going to cut your bonuses. If you actually are consistently winning, they are going to cut them anyway, especially at bookmaker. It is a red flag. Easier to just cycle. Go from bookmaker to betonline to heritage ect. By the time you get back to the first book, some time has elapsed, so it looks less obvious.

I also like wagerweb. Always have paid me pretty directly. 50% cash bonus on the first deposit, they might still give you an extra 5% for coming from SBR.

Much appreciated - hadn't heard of the cycle strategy before.

What books would you consider in the B through A range?

[WittyUsername30]

Thanks for the constructive criticism, vampire...

[Waterstpub87]

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-sites/bonuses/

List is here. Played with almost all of them, except for intertops (state is banned)

[Barrakuda]

Any of the A+ books, 99%+ of the time are going to pay you. I've played only with b through A books, and never had a problem cashing out.

If you pull money out, and redeposit over and over again, they are going to cut your bonuses. If you actually are consistently winning, they are going to cut them anyway, especially at bookmaker. It is a red flag. Easier to just cycle. Go from bookmaker to betonline to heritage ect. By the time you get back to the first book, some time has elapsed, so it looks less obvious.

I also like wagerweb. Always have paid me pretty directly. 50% cash bonus on the first deposit, they might still give you an extra 5% for coming from SBR.

I could be wrong, but doesn't BOL require a zero balance and > 30 days since last withdrawal to earn a reload bonus?

[Barrakuda]

Any of the A+ books, 99%+ of the time are going to pay you. I've played only with b through A books, and never had a problem cashing out.

If you pull money out, and redeposit over and over again, they are going to cut your bonuses. If you actually are consistently winning, they are going to cut them anyway, especially at bookmaker. It is a red flag. Easier to just cycle. Go from bookmaker to betonline to heritage ect. By the time you get back to the first book, some time has elapsed, so it looks less obvious.

I also like wagerweb. Always have paid me pretty directly. 50% cash bonus on the first deposit, they might still give you an extra 5% for coming from SBR.

Do you happen to know which tracks qualify for their 10% rebate racebook promo? It says "A rated," but no listing of which ones they consider to be A.

[Believe_EMT]

you used the word 'safely' as if you had some aversion to risk, but then you speak of 'drastically increasing' your bankroll by loading up at offshore books and going big. prior to losing all of you funds:

is this 5% return actual results or just your back tested model? if the former, how long have these results held? how often is newly available information evaluated and used to refine your model?

labeling yourself a professional, you must understand that any edge you find in a larger market will slowly evaporate over time as the market seeks equilibrium. meaning, if you found an edge, hundreds of people have found it or are on their way to finding it.

not seeking to discourage you, but we should properly level set our expectations because the penalty for being wrong in the market are severe (you go broke)

[jjgold]

definition of a professional is basically an arber

[moojoo]

definition of a professional is basically an arber

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[WittyUsername30]

you used the word 'safely' as if you had some aversion to risk, but then you speak of 'drastically increasing' your bankroll by loading up at offshore books and going big. prior to losing all of you funds:

is this 5% return actual results or just your back tested model? if the former, how long have these results held? how often is newly available information evaluated and used to refine your model?

labeling yourself a professional, you must understand that any edge you find in a larger market will slowly evaporate over time as the market seeks equilibrium. meaning, if you found an edge, hundreds of people have found it or are on their way to finding it.

not seeking to discourage you, but we should properly level set our expectations because the penalty for being wrong in the market are severe (you go broke)

Maybe a poor choice of words on my part, but yes, I do have some risk aversion to investing a large sum of money only for it to be frozen in an offshore gambling account. I also have some risk aversion to drastically increasing bankroll only to see our edge get whittled down, but I'm able to evaluate this risk better than the risk of getting funds frozen in an offshore account, since I have next to no knowledge about offshore books and their practices.

- 5% return is actual results from over 2,000 games analyzed across 2 seasons. We bet on about 1,000 games. If you randomly pick 1,000 games out of the 2,000 game sample size and compute an ROI, the random ROI beats our actual ROI 85 times out of 10,000.
- Completely understand that our edge won't be there forever - this is why we are looking to drastically increase bankroll and cash in, but with minimal risk of never seeing the money again

[HeeeHAWWWW]

You should be aware that if you do reliably hit +EV, bonuses will disappear fast, and all the soft books will boot you. That'll leave you with Pinnacle, Bookmaker (US sports), and the Asian books for some other sports (mainly soccer).

[futbolbettor]

Hey I have some great insight on bookmaker and their 15% standard bonus and used to be 25% for all bitcoin deposits. I’ve asked probably 10 times to different reps to see if they frown upon winner bettors using these bonuses regularly. They informed me every time this is perfectly fine and you will never be banned for it.. I think they did say potentially they may not allow u to use it in the future but that would be the worst case and that hasn’t ever happened to me.. I used to clear 2-3 bonuses a week on bookmaker but stopped recently as I just was too anxious about bitcoin volatility and didn’t want to have to watch the bitcoin markets like I watch the sports markets. I actually have started back taking smaller bonuses and not only do u not have to risk getting banned they probably have the best/ player friendly rollover that I’ve seen.

It’s a great way to get a little juice back if you’re a volume bettor.

I Also have asked bookmaker if they ever ban winners and they’ve said that they never do which u always question to some degree but I have heard other bettors reiterate that.

Literally have no experience with betonline as their soccer live and pregame offerings are slim.

[lonnie55]

Remove the word 'safely' from your vocabulary when you talk about betting

[galt88]

totally agree with lonnie55

[Surrender88]

Ive been with sportbet / 5dimes over two decades and never once had an issue getting paid.

The offshore industry may be losing a little steam with US legalization and stricter laws regarding payouts but you can rest assured Bookmaker and 5dimes will be the last two standing.

A+

[BigdaddyQH]

[FONT="]A friend and I have an MLB betting model with an ROI of 5% on each dollar bet. We are ready to drastically increase our bankroll, but we have concerns about offshore gambling accounts. We currently have our bankroll split between BetOnline.ag and Bookmaker.eu. A few questions for the more experienced gamblers out there:[/FONT]

• Does BetOnline / BookMaker suspend accounts for professional gamblers? If so, would they freeze funds, or just simply stop allowing you to place bets? Would obviously like to avoid having money frozen in an offshore gambling account.
  
• Both sites have attractive re-deposit bonuses that we could rollover every 2-3 weeks. Should we take advantage of these bonuses, or would this be a potential red flag leading to account suspension / freezing funds?
  
• Are there any other trustworthy offshore sites that we should feel comfortable depositing money into?
  
• With sports gambling legal in various states in the US now, are there strategies / avenues to make sizable bets in the US, without living in a state where sports gambling is legal?

[FONT="]Any other advice / tips / tricks to maximize our amount of money bet would be much appreciated. As you can tell, we are by no means experts in the world of sports gambling. Our goal is to maximize the amount of dollars we are able to bet without risking account suspensions / frozen funds. TIA.[/FONT]

Do you really expect people to believe you? First of all, how long have you tested this system? Secondly, there is no way that you and your alleged "friend" are pros. Far from it. You admit that you know nothing about sports wagering. You have a long ways to go before you should even consider making your first wager. But go ahead. Be my guest. Listen to the advice that the people in here give you. Then ask them how much money they have won over their lifetime of wagering.

[KVB]

Bump.

It really is best not to listen to that BigDaddy character.

He really has no clue and knows better than to post in the think tank, even if your post is meant for the Sportsbook Forum.

BigDaddy has been shown to not actually bet has also been shown to not understand how the offshore business works, or Vegas for that matter.

He's the last guy you should take any advice from, just look around and you'll see for yourself, everything I say can be verified right here in the Think Tank, you needn't go any further.

BigDaddy does not know.

This is why is post isn't constructive at all, and just full of insults.

He has nothing else.

Get out of the Think Tank, BigDaddy.

[JacketFan81]

Do you really expect people to believe you? First of all, how long have you tested this system? Secondly, there is no way that you and your alleged "friend" are pros. Far from it. You admit that you know nothing about sports wagering. You have a long ways to go before you should even consider making your first wager. But go ahead. Be my guest. Listen to the advice that the people in here give you. Then ask them how much money they have won over their lifetime of wagering.

I have a feeling you're not mathematically inclined. As such, no one gives a shit about your opinion in here. Thanks.

[Stin]

- 5% return is actual results from over 2,000 games analyzed across 2 seasons. We bet on about 1,000 games. If you randomly pick 1,000 games out of the 2,000 game sample size and compute an ROI, the random ROI beats our actual ROI 85 times out of 10,000.
- Completely understand that our edge won't be there forever - this is why we are looking to drastically increase bankroll and cash in, but with minimal risk of never seeing the money again

Start using only Pinnacle, safest place.

[Believe_EMT]

Do you really expect people to believe you?

bro, i always get confused on these things

does this make you the pot or the kettle?

[coolguy73739]

Bump.


This is why is post isn't constructive at all, and just full of insults.

He has nothing else.

Get out of the Think Tank, BigDaddy.

I have nothing against you KVB but why such acute animosity against Big Daddy ? lol
you always seems to have personal grudges against this guy and want him out of every forum.. Pls explain if you so wish..