[Sawyer]

1. Bet round numbers (Stakes ending with 0)

2. Don't hammer weak lines..at least at the beginning.

3. Don't make unnecessary withdrawals.

4. Don't make big withdrawals.

5. Don't bet BIG on unknown/small/unpopular leagues/sports.

Let's talk about other ways to avoid max bet limit (*) restrictions. Please share your ideas/opinions. For example, making looong parlay bets (9-10 teamer) will help as a camouflage? All opinions/comments are welcome!

*Not talking about regular bet limits here. I'm talking about being limited to 2€ or 3€. I can hear you're sayin' why use sh*tty books when you can use Pinnacle? Well, let me ask you, why bet something at -142 when you can pick it at -108?

[Sawyer]

Do you think making square parlays (like Lakers, Dallas Cowboys, Barcelona ML) can work as a camouflage?

[ICE-BLOOD]

if you have a 300 max wager limit put your plays in at......lets say 250-280, just under the max.

this can perhaps disguise you for some time of fully taking advantage of the book

[stefan084]

why the round numbers? is it because they assume you're arbing? and if so why would they care as long as you're betting with them. maybe you're running a progression which would make one seem weaker. serious question,been wondering about that

[Juret]

Suspend yourself for one or more days (many rec books have this option), what sharps would do that?

[statdude]

Good idea.
I would say avoid repeat limit bets. Respect the limit somewhat. If you are going to hit it again wait a few hours (i know it's normal to have to wait that long for a timeout anyway unless line moves)

I like the square bet idea.

[Sawyer]

why the round numbers? is it because they assume you're arbing? and if so why would they care as long as you're betting with them. maybe you're running a progression which would make one seem weaker. serious question,been wondering about that

Yes. Books don't like arbers. So you must use round numbers in order to camouflage your arbitrage action.

[Sawyer]

I had some accounts where I was limited after 4 bets. Yes, just 4 bets and my max bet limit was down to 3€.

Now, recent accounts I opened, it has been 2 weeks and limits are still good..but how?

* I don't attack weak lines hard in the beginning. I hit them with older accounts.
* I don't make any "+" arbitrage bets or value bets in first week. I make small, stupid, square parlay bets. You can even guess my parlay bet for today, 28 November. Chelsea, Manchester City, Barcelona, Manchester United. Hopefully, Chelsea failed to win and parlay lost. Yes, I'm happy for losing the parlay bet
* I don't make any withdrawals in first 2 or 3 weeks. If account gets really up, I rest it a little bit.

Also, it's good if you have any info about bookie's financial operation system. Some books have different investigation levels for different amounts.

Let me give you an example,

X bookie sends all money withdrawal requests to Main Center if amount is above 4000.
If amount is under 3999, then they don't send it to main finance department.

I had an experience about it..

I opened an account for a friend of mine but I didn't know he had a middle name. When I wanted to withdraw money, bookie rejected my request order; saying you can withdraw money only to an account on your name. The account holder's name and bank account's owner names must be same. Name and Surname was exactly same..except the middle name!

1 week later, I made a small withdrawal request and it was confirmed in 2 days! I withdrawed all the money by this method slowly..

So when making withdrawals, don't withdraw 10k at once. Withdraw small amounts 2000-3000. No need to hurry. If you're a disciplined person, it doesn't matter if money stays at bank or bookie account. It will come to your hands sooner or later.

Be careful about scam books though..

[statdude]

Sawyer, great post, been watching you a while.

Any more thoughts on cashouts etc. are welcome.

I like the thoughts around being patient with everything. Allow the dust to settle.

What do you think got you limited so quickly? Is this a risk at all major books?

[pipita17]

i really cant figure out why are you always limited by bookies..what are you doing exactly?? i made over 6k on my account,played really hard with big stakes and i NEVER EVER have been limited cause of my style of playing...and no, i didnt play at pinnys.

[Emily_Haines]

1] Bet only NFL, MLB and NBA
2] Wait until gameday and bet games with in one hour of start time
3] Bet mostly favorites and TV games
4] Make big bail out bets on late night prime time TV games
5] Bet lots of 5,6,7,8 team parlays
6] Let book know you are their friend and alert them of mistake lines
7] Frequently gamble in their online casino
8] Always bet the MNF game no matter what

[Duff85]

i really cant figure out why are you always limited by bookies..what are you doing exactly?? i made over 6k on my account,played really hard with big stakes and i NEVER EVER have been limited cause of my style of playing...and no, i didnt play at pinnys.

Sawyer chases steam and picks off stale lines. Either you got lucky or you took that 6k from mainstream markets where it isn't a big concern for the bookie yet. Either way once you become a concern to the bookie you will be limited to laughable amounts in a heartbeat.

[Duff85]

Try and avoid going back and adding more to your bet at the same Bookmaker. Have fouled a few accounts trying to squeeze as much +ev out of plays as possible.

[Harun]

this thread sucks

[Duff85]

this thread sucks

Not as much as your mother.

[pipita17]

apologies,my mistake i meant 6000 not 60000..but still my point is that they didnt limit me.can you please explain what is " steam and picks off stale lines " that author of this thread is chasing..? my english is not good at all but i really want to learn..

[FreeFall]

the real question is if it's worth it, money wise, in the end to spend all of your time doing this when you could've just hit em hard from the start. They will find you either way. It's just how much you lose and gain to make this cat/mouse game viable.

[statdude]

apologies,my mistake i meant 6000 not 60000..but still my point is that they didnt limit me.can you please explain what is " steam and picks off stale lines " that author of this thread is chasing..? my english is not good at all but i really want to learn..

Sorry 6k isn't enough... 60k maybe then

[tto827]

Suspend yourself for one or more days (many rec books have this option), what sharps would do that?

Fukkin genius, that has to throw them off your tail for a while.

[pipita17]

Sorry 6k isn't enough... 60k maybe then

..hahaha..ok...my mistake..

[HUY]

Few mention here that these "tactics" will cost you big money.

[Sawyer]

Few mention here that these "tactics" will cost you big money.

Why? Please explain.

[ClimbSomeRocks]

Why? Please explain.

It seems like a lot of these tactics are -EV. It's like tipping a dealer or playing side bets in blackjack to remove suspicion from a pitboss

[Inspirited]

they are purposely -ev in order to win more from book over time. it's like a sustainability of fish or crabs. don't want to destroy the source.

[AceKingHigh]

Let me get this straight, you are all such a great gamblers that always win K's of $'s from the sportsbooks that your #1 concern is how not to get limited?

Can any of you guys ^^ explain what do you do exactly that makes you up so much? and where do you want to hit the lines hard? just use Pinnacle with their non-existent limits... what's the issue?

[AceKingHigh]

** And even if you think you have a +EV play, it doesn't mean that it will be a winner and it doesn't mean that if you have say $10,000 BR you can lay $2,000 or more on it either way , I mean you can, but it will be stupid isn't it? so how do you even get to this situations is far beyond me but I would like to get some more details on how do you find yourself in this position ( a.k.a - give some tips regards how you find this +EV plays and how do you play them compared to your BR. ) Thanks.

[muffins]

Let me get this straight, you are all such a great gamblers that always win K's of $'s from the sportsbooks that your #1 concern is how not to get limited?

Can any of you guys ^^ explain what do you do exactly that makes you up so much? and where do you want to hit the lines hard? just use Pinnacle with their non-existent limits... what's the issue?

You don't need to win to be limited. Losers are limited too depending on the type of action.

How do you win and face issues with limiting? Bet stale prices, e.g soccer that is $4 when exchange has gone to $3. NFL that has gone to 2.5 in the US and you take the +3 in slow euro book. Odds that are flipped, lines that are filpped or digits transposed e.g. -12 instead of -21 or take a plus that should be a minus. Take advantage of late updates on live betting (e.g. back the break in tennis at 30-30 as you see the exchange price move to indicate 30-40). The vast bulk of it is just taking prices that have gone off in the market and the particular book hasn't moved, soccer with 1000s of games a week provides plenty of opportunities for this.

How do you find the plays? arbers forums, arb software, manual site trawling, site scraping. How do you play them? Most arb them off with another book to lock in the +EV.

Return on time and effort seems pretty low to me but each to their own.

[Duff85]

so how do you even get to this situations is far beyond me but I would like to get some more details on how do you find yourself in this position ( a.k.a - give some tips regards how you find this +EV plays and how do you play them compared to your BR. ) Thanks.

Read the handicapper think tank. Not just the first page... read deep, like years ago and you will find more than enough to make you a winner. You will also get a better response if you show an ability to research and then ask questions rather than just say, "Tell me how to win."

One of my accounts was recently limited 8k in the red. Not because it was placing cheating wagers (which everyone seems to automatically assume) but because the sportsbook obviously agrees that the plays were regularly +ev.

[Sawyer]

Let me get this straight, you are all such a great gamblers that always win K's of $'s from the sportsbooks that your #1 concern is how not to get limited?

You don't need to be a World-Class Gambler to get limited. It's pretty easy for a sharp bettor to get limited by square/recreational books. They don't host you for long. And your answer is hidden in your question, if you want to withdraw thousands of dollars from the sportsbooks, you should not get limited..how you will withdraw thousands of dollars if you're limited? Of course, limit issue is a primary concern for an arber.

Can any of you guys ^^ explain what do you do exactly that makes you up so much? and where do you want to hit the lines hard? just use Pinnacle with their non-existent limits... what's the issue?

What I'm doing exactly that makes me up? Easy. Spotting value bets. Betting something at -108/1.92 while it's -142/1.70 at pinnacle. Just use Pinnacle with their non-existent limist? Really? Why bet 1.70 (-142) when you can bet 1.92? (-108)

Olympiakos was 1,80 at Pinnacle today while it was available at 2,10 in another bookie. When we both risk 1000$, you win 800 while I win 1100.

[pipita17]

gamblers are THE most most awful creatures on planet Earth. Why..??.. Most gamblers like to be smartass, like when you ask about something that concerns you .."cmon man you will learn..Yes i am playa..and you will learn one day.."...Sorry but..to learn what?? Value bets? You gotta to be kidding me. Olympiacos at 2.1 was value bet???..No it wasnt value bet it was public bet!!! You must to have brain of genius to play that style.. value bets and etc.. and to take huge ammounts of cash on long run..arbers? they are not players..they are bums!

[HUY]

Olympiakos was 1,80 at Pinnacle today while it was available at 2,10 in another bookie.

What was the betting limit on the 2.10? Did you bet? Did your bet get accepted? Did you get paid? If the answer to the first question is more than 1,000 USD and the answer to the rest of the questions is "Yes" then I don't believe you.

[allin1]

What was the betting limit on the 2.10? Did you bet? Did your bet get accepted? Did you get paid? If the answer to the first question is more than 1,000 USD and the answer to the rest of the questions is "Yes" then I don't believe you.

I second that, unless it was a local shop in Eastern Europe.

[Duff85]

gamblers are THE most most awful creatures on planet Earth. Why..??.. Most gamblers like to be smartass, like when you ask about something that concerns you .."cmon man you will learn..Yes i am playa..and you will learn one day.."...Sorry but..to learn what?? Value bets? You gotta to be kidding me. Olympiacos at 2.1 was value bet???..No it wasnt value bet it was public bet!!! You must to have brain of genius to play that style.. value bets and etc.. and to take huge ammounts of cash on long run..arbers? they are not players..they are bums!

You seem to have a lot of opinions for someone who has no fukking idea what they are doing. Sawyer is far too kind in spoon feeding some of you ass clowns more than I would feed my 15 month old daughter. Please ban yourself from ever posting again. K thanks.

Sawyer on another note can you stop spoon feeding these clowns valuable info? Make them actually go and put some work in to win. If they have specific questions from a bit of research then answer otherwise tell them to go away.

[statdude]

What was the betting limit on the 2.10? Did you bet? Did your bet get accepted? Did you get paid? If the answer to the first question is more than 1,000 USD and the answer to the rest of the questions is "Yes" then I don't believe you.

$500 is typically the limit on soccer with most books.

[Sawyer]

gamblers are THE most most awful creatures on planet Earth. Why..??.. Most gamblers like to be smartass, like when you ask about something that concerns you .."cmon man you will learn..Yes i am playa..and you will learn one day.."...Sorry but..to learn what?? Value bets? You gotta to be kidding me. Olympiacos at 2.1 was value bet???..No it wasnt value bet it was public bet!!! You must to have brain of genius to play that style.. value bets and etc.. and to take huge ammounts of cash on long run..arbers? they are not players..they are bums!

Detroit Lions -2.5 is -146 at Pinnacle and it's available at -108 in your local bookie. You do the math..

Arbers are bums? Really..oh my!

What was the betting limit on the 2.10? Did you bet? Did your bet get accepted? Did you get paid? If the answer to the first question is more than 1,000 USD and the answer to the rest of the questions is "Yes" then I don't believe you.

Yes, yes and yes. I was able to bet 1200€. I got the betting ticket in my betting history if anyone is interested, (mail) To believe or to not believe is up to you. It was even 2,20 at some cyprus books btw. If something is not available in your town, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in other part of the world.

You seem to have a lot of opinions for someone who has no fukking idea what they are doing. Sawyer is far too kind in spoon feeding some of you ass clowns more than I would feed my 15 month old daughter. Please ban yourself from ever posting again. K thanks.

Sawyer on another note can you stop spoon feeding these clowns valuable info? Make them actually go and put some work in to win. If they have specific questions from a bit of research then answer otherwise tell them to go away.

Well said, You're right. I tried to shared some tips but some people are really arrogant with no desire to learn something new. They think, what they know is %100 right. This is my final post in this thread.