[Otters27]

When did his prime end?

Good point

[JAKEPEAVY21]

I have a bad feeling with all these new outbreaks that our sports will all be cancelled this year.

[Chi_archie]

I have a bad feeling with all these new outbreaks that our sports will all be cancelled this year.

yeah yesterday wasn't great news

[Stallion]

I think we all got concerned yesterday that there will be no sports this year, maybe we should take the time to build up our bankroll for when sports comes back???

[BigSpoon]

I have a bad feeling with all these new outbreaks that our sports will all be cancelled this year.

The 23 Clemson football players all testing positive was bad.

[stevenash]

The 23 Clemson football players all testing positive was bad.

Dagger.

[JMobile]

Baseball is not coming back....

[stevenash]

Baseball is not coming back....

Sadly I think you are correct.

Thank God we will have NFL because Goodell is Satan reincarnate who would sell his newborn as long as it meant to get NFL going.

[jrgum3]

Sadly I think you are correct.

Thank God we will have NFL because Goodell is Satan reincarnate who would sell his newborn as long as it meant to get NFL going.

I'm not so sure we get sports back in 2020. Too many new cases of coronavirus and players as well as staff testing positive. It will be interesting to see what happens as we approach August because I do think you're right the NFL will try and see if playing is possible.

[Cross]

Sports are fuked, wish I could hibernate like a damn bear until 2021.

[Otters27]

Soccer is playing. What are they doing right

[EmpireMaker]

Given the spike of coronavirus cases in Florida and Arizona, the Mets and Yankees are both planning on moving their spring facilities to New York for the time being, per MLB Network Insider Jon Heyman. Any potential 2020 season is likely to be heavily dependent upon regional play, so it makes a certain amount of sense for both New York franchises to get settled into their home state (especially considering the rash of breakouts that caused all 30 teams to shut down their training facilities for the time being). The Mets and Yankees might not be the only clubs making this move, as USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that all MLB clubs will be moving their spring training to their home cities. Nightengale does add the caveat that the Blue Jays may stay in Florida for the time being, and there were as many as five teams on Friday with thoughts of staying in Florida (Twitter links).
Let’s check in on other news from around the game…

• Former Dodgers first baseman James Loney has been hired by the GEM Agency in an advisory role, tweets MLB Insider Robert Murray. GEM launched in October 2019 based out of Dallas, Texas. They rep current big leaguers Justin Turner, Tommy Pham, and Roberto Osuna – which are all tracked in MLBTR’s Agency Database. Loney played 11 seasons in the big leagues, with his most productive years coming with the Dodgers from 2006 to 2012. He was eventually traded to the Boston Red Sox in the Dodgers’ monster deal for Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford, and Nick Punto. Loney would play just half a season in Boston before going on to post a pair of productive years with the Rays. He finished his playing career in 2016 as a 32-year-old with the New York Mets. For his career, the southpaw first baseman put up a line of .284/.336/.410 with 108 home runs in 5,487 plate appearances.
• Alex Cora will be eligible to return to Major League Baseball in 2021, and the former Red Sox skipper would love to return to the managing ranks, Dan Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe writes. How soon there will be interest in Cora as a manager remains to be seen given his role in the investigations into both the Astros and Red Sox sign-stealing allegations. Still, he has a tremendous track record in his short time as the Red Sox manager. Like many of us, Cora remains in wait-and-see mode for the time being. Said Cora, “If this was a regular time and they were playing games, I would say yes [to managing in 2021]. I would love to be back in 2021 in some capacity. I love managing at the big league level. But right now, I’m still kind of like putting my game plan together. It’s not where I want it to be. But obviously with everything that’s going on, with my daughter going into her senior year of high school, we as a family have to see what we want to do.”

[deadphish]

Sadly I think you are correct.

Thank God we will have NFL because Goodell is Satan reincarnate who would sell his newborn as long as it meant to get NFL going.

my thoughts exactly

[Chi_archie]

I'm not so sure we get sports back in 2020. Too many new cases of coronavirus and players as well as staff testing positive. It will be interesting to see what happens as we approach August because I do think you're right the NFL will try and see if playing is possible.

Hopefully we get some good news soon

[BigSpoon]

Sadly I think you are correct.

Thank God we will have NFL because Goodell is Satan reincarnate who would sell his newborn as long as it meant to get NFL going.

I think NCAA football goes ahead full steam as well tbh.

[stevenash]

On this day, Fathers Day, June 21,2020 there is still no baseball.

[JMobile]

Sadly I think you are correct.

Thank God we will have NFL because Goodell is Satan reincarnate who would sell his newborn as long as it meant to get NFL going.

So sad to see free agents go this year

[Stallion]

I am beginning to think there will be no MLB, NCAA Football or NFL without a cure.

[Cross]

Cases everywhere when players start getting together.

[EmpireMaker]

9:33PM: The camps of at least 10 different teams have been “affected” by coronavirus cases since the end of Spring Training, Heyman tweets.
6:47PM: A total of 40 Major League players and staff members had positive COVID-19 tests in the last week, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports. This total presumably includes the already-reported cases in recent days — members of the Yankees, Angels, Phillies, and Astros organizations are known to have the virus, while the Blue Jays and Giants also closed their training camps after people connected with the teams displayed COVID symptoms. As a result of this outbreak, the league ordered all spring training facilities to be closed (and thoroughly cleaned) while new health protocols are determined between the MLB and the players union.
The sheer number of people involved at every level of a big league organization makes it inevitable that more positive results beyond these initial 40 cases will emerge as testing continues in the coming days, weeks, and months. Even after a more concrete set of health and safety protocols are established, the threat of COVID-19 will hang over whatever baseball we see played in 2020, including the open question as to what will happen if a team-wide outbreak (akin to the Phillies’ current situation) occurs during the season.
As MLB Network’s Jon Heyman puts it, COVID-19 is “the common enemy” that both baseball’s owners and players need to battle first and foremost, even beyond the two sides’ protracted negotiations over how to launch the 2020 season. The health situation has led to a new “sense of urgency” in talks, Nightengale writes, though the rapidly shrinking calendar is also a factor given the players’ desire to play more than 60 games.

[deadphish]

Cases everywhere when players start getting together.

perhaps this would not be the case if we had reliable media outlets that were on the same page in regards to FACTS!

[stevenash]

On this date June 22 2016, exactly four years ago, Washington National outfielder wishes he never got out of bed.

Taylor got to wear the infamous platinum sombrero for striking out five times at the plate in a single game.
And to compound matters, Taylor allowed the Dodgers hitter Yasiel Puig's routine single to roll under his glove into a three base error in the ninth inning that turned a 3-2 National lead into a 4-3 National defeat.

A year later on this date in 2017, exactly three years to the day, Brandon Warne's beloved Minnesota Twins scheduled game with the Chicago White Sox at Target Field began after a four hour and fifty minute rain delay setting a record for the longest rain delay to start a game in MLB history.

The Twins wished that game never would have gone off as they were trounced soundly 9-0.

[Chi_archie]

9:33PM: The camps of at least 10 different teams have been “affected” by coronavirus cases since the end of Spring Training, Heyman tweets.
6:47PM: A total of 40 Major League players and staff members had positive COVID-19 tests in the last week, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports. This total presumably includes the already-reported cases in recent days — members of the Yankees, Angels, Phillies, and Astros organizations are known to have the virus, while the Blue Jays and Giants also closed their training camps after people connected with the teams displayed COVID symptoms. As a result of this outbreak, the league ordered all spring training facilities to be closed (and thoroughly cleaned) while new health protocols are determined between the MLB and the players union.
The sheer number of people involved at every level of a big league organization makes it inevitable that more positive results beyond these initial 40 cases will emerge as testing continues in the coming days, weeks, and months. Even after a more concrete set of health and safety protocols are established, the threat of COVID-19 will hang over whatever baseball we see played in 2020, including the open question as to what will happen if a team-wide outbreak (akin to the Phillies’ current situation) occurs during the season.
As MLB Network’s Jon Heyman puts it, COVID-19 is “the common enemy” that both baseball’s owners and players need to battle first and foremost, even beyond the two sides’ protracted negotiations over how to launch the 2020 season. The health situation has led to a new “sense of urgency” in talks, Nightengale writes, though the rapidly shrinking calendar is also a factor given the players’ desire to play more than 60 games.

tired of all this

[JMobile]

So no baseball for sure

[stevenash]

So no baseball for sure

None.

[EmpireMaker]

9:26pm: The players are indeed expected to respond favorably to the league’s requests regarding reporting timeline and health and safety protocols, Jeff Passan of ESPN reports on Twitter. So long as the final points can be tidied up, it seems the resumption of play will be underway within a week.
7:29pm: The 2020 season is now slated to proceed under the terms of the late March agreement previously reached between MLB and the players’ association. The league has issued an announcement stating that the owners unanimously agreed to launch the campaign after further negotiations with the players failed to result in a new deal.
The campaign will ultimately be established at sixty games in length, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link), though the league announcement doesn’t so specify. Rather, the announcement asks that the players inform the league as to the readiness to begin Spring Training (part deux) before assessing schedule length. It seems the season will go for sixty games so long as the players agree to report for preparation by the first of July.
The other key element left open in the league’s announcement is agreement upon a health and safety protocol. Recent reporting indicates that the sides were working through a few final issues, with a general expectation that there’d be a deal. Indeed, the union’s own statement indicated as much earlier tonight.
While there’s now a clear path to a 2020 campaign, it’ll leave both sides without some of the key benefits they had sought. The league wished for an expanded postseason, while the players sought more regular season contests. Each side clearly stood to benefit somewhat from those concessions — the players would’ve had a cut of the playoff revenue; the owners would’ve had a longer season to boost long-term branding and earning opportunities — but they still couldn’t bridge the final gap for a fully negotiated new agreement.
This move comes right on the heels of the players’ decision to reject the owners’ final offer for a settlement. The players may well have done better if indeed the campaign comes in at sixty games, as the league’s final proposal provides. But the acrimony on both sides has shown no signs of abating. And the lengthy and public standoff over money — all in the midst of a pandemic and social unrest — has certainly not made the best impression on fans.
The league may have avoided a heftier labor cost in 2020; the players may finally have found some unity. But the game isn’t exactly glimmering at the moment. And the stage is clearly set for a monumental labor standoff with a wildly uncertain free agency and collective bargaining negotiations on the horizon.
Resolving things by reverting back to the late March agreement means that there are some open questions left to be debated. The sides have debated the meaning of the deal — in particular, how it’s to be interpreted in the case of a fan-free season — ever since it was signed. The union has reportedly threatened a grievance even if a season is installed by the commissioner, though the prospects for that course of action are uncertain at the moment.

[jrgum3]

So no baseball for sure

Sadly it doesn't look like it. Shame too because they're squabbling over 10 games and a few other minor details imo which doesn't make any sense. Baseball had an opportunity to be the only game in town and they blew it.

[Cross]

Pitchers and catchers report in eight months, boys!

[EmpireMaker]

The league's latest proposal -- which included a 60-game season, an expanded postseason, and no additional salary guarantees if season is canceled -- was rejected by players MLBPA voted 33-5 against the proposal and then the union released a statement implying they were done negotiating terms of a shortened season Shortly thereafter, Manfred and MLB owners voted unanimously to impose a 2020 season The imposed season would be 60 games in length, have no universal DH and no expanded playoffs The imposed season requires the MLBPA to answer two questions: Will players report to camp by July 1? And does the union agree on the health and safety protocols set by the league? Opening Day would come the weekend of July 24-26

The players have until 5 PM today to respond to the league, which leaves plenty of time for things to still get messy, but it's believed that they'll approve the July 1 report date and the safety protocols to move forward with a season.

But it's not just the two questions proposed by the league that need to be answered before this start. There are also still plenty of questions with regards to how MLB plans on playing during the middle of a pandemic, especially as COVID-19 cases are once again on the rise in baseball states such as Arizona, Texas and Florida. Those hurdles are not insignificant.

With the labor war mercifully over, our Mike Axisa identified some winners and losers at the finish line:

Winner: MLB owners - In the end, the owners got what they wanted -- a nice, short, cost-saving season. They didn't get players to take additional cuts beyond prorated salaries, but the owners will still have a chance to bring in revenue during the postseason Loser: MLB owners - The owners got their short season and a chance to make some money, but they lost out on the expanded postseason that would have maximized revenue. Players can also still file a grievance against the owners, who were the losers in the court of public opinion Winner: The MLBPA - The players' union stood firm on receiving their full prorated salaries and ultimately didn't have to give that up. Also, filing a grievance against the league for the shortened season could earn them additional financial compensation or negotiating leverage in next year's CBA talks. Additionally, the players could agree to drop the grievance in exchange for concessions in the next CBA Loser: The MLBPA - The players are getting full prorated pay but at less games than they wanted, and they lost out on a piece of expanded postseason revenue and salary advance forgiveness Winner: Fans of contenders - Fans of teams that are projected to contend this year won't have to swallow the bitter pill of a full lost season. The Yankees will see what they look like with Gerrit Cole. The Dodgers won't have to worry about losing Mookie Betts before he even plays a single game for them. That's great news, even if an ultra-shortened season throws a lot more unpredictability into the mix for these contenders Loser: Pretty much all fans - I mean, that whole thing sucked, right? The last three months have been miserable and plenty of baseball fans have likely been turned off by this whole mess, especially considering the two sides stayed bickering over money during a pandemic while millions of people dealt with more dire issues

Ultimately, the biggest loser here feels like it has to be baseball as a whole. After this shutdown got underway, it looked like MLB might be the first major sports league to return.

Instead, they put us fans through months of unbearable drama and probably lost a whole bunch of support along the way. At this rate, I'd imagine many fans don't even give a damn that baseball is (probably) coming back because the labor war was so off-putting.

[stevenash]

Pitchers and catchers report in eight months, boys!

Sad but true.

[deadphish]

Pitchers and catchers report in eight months, boys!

cant wait (not)!

[BigSpoon]

I'll watch if the season starts in late July.

[Chi_archie]

The league's latest proposal -- which included a 60-game season, an expanded postseason, and no additional salary guarantees if season is canceled -- was rejected by players MLBPA voted 33-5 against the proposal and then the union released a statement implying they were done negotiating terms of a shortened season Shortly thereafter, Manfred and MLB owners voted unanimously to impose a 2020 season The imposed season would be 60 games in length, have no universal DH and no expanded playoffs The imposed season requires the MLBPA to answer two questions: Will players report to camp by July 1? And does the union agree on the health and safety protocols set by the league? Opening Day would come the weekend of July 24-26

The players have until 5 PM today to respond to the league, which leaves plenty of time for things to still get messy, but it's believed that they'll approve the July 1 report date and the safety protocols to move forward with a season.

But it's not just the two questions proposed by the league that need to be answered before this start. There are also still plenty of questions with regards to how MLB plans on playing during the middle of a pandemic, especially as COVID-19 cases are once again on the rise in baseball states such as Arizona, Texas and Florida. Those hurdles are not insignificant.

With the labor war mercifully over, our Mike Axisa identified some winners and losers at the finish line:

Winner: MLB owners - In the end, the owners got what they wanted -- a nice, short, cost-saving season. They didn't get players to take additional cuts beyond prorated salaries, but the owners will still have a chance to bring in revenue during the postseason Loser: MLB owners - The owners got their short season and a chance to make some money, but they lost out on the expanded postseason that would have maximized revenue. Players can also still file a grievance against the owners, who were the losers in the court of public opinion Winner: The MLBPA - The players' union stood firm on receiving their full prorated salaries and ultimately didn't have to give that up. Also, filing a grievance against the league for the shortened season could earn them additional financial compensation or negotiating leverage in next year's CBA talks. Additionally, the players could agree to drop the grievance in exchange for concessions in the next CBA Loser: The MLBPA - The players are getting full prorated pay but at less games than they wanted, and they lost out on a piece of expanded postseason revenue and salary advance forgiveness Winner: Fans of contenders - Fans of teams that are projected to contend this year won't have to swallow the bitter pill of a full lost season. The Yankees will see what they look like with Gerrit Cole. The Dodgers won't have to worry about losing Mookie Betts before he even plays a single game for them. That's great news, even if an ultra-shortened season throws a lot more unpredictability into the mix for these contenders Loser: Pretty much all fans - I mean, that whole thing sucked, right? The last three months have been miserable and plenty of baseball fans have likely been turned off by this whole mess, especially considering the two sides stayed bickering over money during a pandemic while millions of people dealt with more dire issues

Ultimately, the biggest loser here feels like it has to be baseball as a whole. After this shutdown got underway, it looked like MLB might be the first major sports league to return.

Instead, they put us fans through months of unbearable drama and probably lost a whole bunch of support along the way. At this rate, I'd imagine many fans don't even give a damn that baseball is (probably) coming back because the labor war was so off-putting.

No worries

[stevenash]

Looks like we have a 60 game season now.

Stay tuned.

[mr. leisure]

Looks like we have a 60 game season now.

Stay tuned.

Kinda doubt it but hopeful .

Its on