[dudekid]

ok so my top two pitchers (were) weaver and greinke...awesome...so everyone in my league noticed this and is trying to get trades out of me, my offense is pretty loaded so I do have chips. here are some trades sent to me

trade 1:
my lohse/beltre, for his chris sale/i. kennedy/moustakas

trade 2:
my lohse/beltre/huston street for his cliff lee/sandoval

lineup:
c- ruiz (doumit for now)
1b- pujols
2b- b. phillips
3b- beltre
ss- rollins
of- ellsbury
of- h. pence
of- torii hunter/ichiro
util- konerko

pitching:
peavy
lohse
wandy rodriguez
k. medlen
juan fernandez
huston street/mitchell boggs/jj putz closers
weaver/greinke/garza DL

what do you guys think? Im kind of leaning towards trade 2 because I love cliff lee, and I get a serviceable replacement in panda for 3B giving away beltre

[easyliving]

trade 1 is a no brainer imo. Beltre will put up solid numbers again especially when the weather warms up however Moustakas isn't that bad of a replacement and he will have relevant numbers that won't hurt you. Guy has power potential and he could have a solid year. Lohse isn't anything major as he was undrafted in most drafts due to being a FA at the time and I wouldn't suggest keeping him longterm either. Ian Kennedy tends to have a high era as I remember from last year however he is still a decent pitcher and should get you by as well.

as far as trade 2 Sandoval is injury prone and he is very risky.

[dudekid]

see the reason i lean towards #2 is that chris sale is also a very high injury risk...if he goes down, then thats pretty much that for my team seeing that he would be the big piece i would trade for. you can pretty much pen cliff lee in for 200Ks, a bunch of cg's, and the phillies look like a much better team this year so i dont think we'll only see him post 6 wins. and pablo sandoval may be risky, but hes playing well and will hit more HRs and have a MUCH higher batting avg than moustakas. moustakas also strikes out over 100 times a year...

my only concern is giving up huston street leaving me with boggs/putz as closers, but i do have valverde stashed on my roster hoping that detroit finally comes to their senses. im always on the prowl for closers too and it seems like there is a new guy getting a shot every week

[daneblazer]

1 looks okay but you're going to have to drop someone so it's not as good as it seems.

I just about auto-reject everything I get in circumstances like these at first because you're in panic mode and they're in "take advantage" mode. Wait a few days for it to cool off, then make a move. Hopefully these guys will be back in 2 months.

[Itsamazing777]

You do know both are injured dont you????

[dudekid]

You do know both are injured dont you????

read much?

[gryfyn1]

Zips updated projections for this year:

13W/2.90 ERA/1.13WHIP/200K
12W/3.70 ERA/1.23WHIP/180K

And those are Cliff Lee and Ian Kennedy.

as for Panda and moose tacos

290/19/66/81/2
260/18/68/75/5

so in reality you win either trade by getting rid of Loshe. the first trade gives you more depth in you pitching as both Kennedy and Sale a good starters the 2nd is more top heavy.

Im not really sure the specifics of you league, but i really think you should lean toward trade 1.

[dudekid]

does ZIPS project strikeouts for the batters? i guarantee there is a HUGE difference there between panda and moose tacos (lol i like that name)...i also have a very hard time seeing ian kennedy putting up a 3.70 ERA playing his home games in arizona, but then again that's just me...

i am also a huge cliff lee fan, which plays into it, i just really love having a guy like that on my team that i can set in my top rotation spot and forget about him

[Wrigley]

I like the trade 1 option better

[gryfyn1]

well Kennedy's ERAs the last 3 years in Arz have been 3.80/2.88/4.02 so its certainly doable -

Moose is listed at 111K and Sandoval at 69K, but Sandoval is also projected at alot less PAs (499 vs 643) the k% is closer 16.7% for Moose and 12.5% for Sandoval.

And of course keep in mind Lee is a 34 year old pitcher who has posted 200+ innings in 7/9 seasons, this time last year Roy Halladay was a 35 year old pitcher who had posted 200+ innings in 8/10 years; thing can go south quick for a pitcher in his mid 30s.

[dudekid]

very true you all make good points, thanks for all the info. i just got offered on top of it all, david freese for my injured weaver lol it has been quite crazy today

[gryfyn1]

very true you all make good points, thanks for all the info. i just got offered on top of it all, david freese for my injured weaver lol it has been quite crazy today

Take anything you can get for Weaver, he's not going to be very good once he comes back you can see Dave Cameron's take on the matter here http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jered...iant-red-flag/

[Robber]

I'd do trade 1 get 2 good pitchers

[opie1988]

Beltre will bail you out. No question.

[darrell74]

tough break

[darrell74]

I would ask for a little more on the trades.
Because you can stream pitchers.(if it's rotisserie)

Trade 1 if you are in a head to head league.
Because you need wins and you can't give away wins in April.

[JMobile]

Trade 1.

Drop Greinke and pick up Detweiler is available on waivers.

[LT Profits]

i prefer trade 1 for the better pitching depth, plus you won't lose a closer. I am not all that high on lohse anyway.

[MexicanStallion]

I'm leaning with the late voters and I like the depth of getting two solid pitchers for Trade 1.

Rough break having Weaver and Greinke. In my keeper league, those were both keepers on the same team.

[Straight Cash]

Ha, I'm in this boat as well. Also took Josh Hamilton...fml

[Otters27]

trade 1 get rid of houston street he is garbage

[Cross]

Weaver just got the angel curse.

[JMobile]

trade 1 get rid of houston street he is garbage

Keep Street, he'll get out of the slump.

[Mitchell88]

i prefer trade 1 for the better pitching depth, plus you won't lose a closer. I am not all that high on lohse anyway.

I like the trade for same reason you dont want to lose a closer. I do think that Lohse is will do alright though

[Straight Cash]

Sale struggling is all the more reason for trade 1 if you haven't already done it.

[dudekid]

im holding tight for now although i am going to try exploring trades to get rid of weaver....even once he comes back healthy, his fastball velocity is wayy down and he has just looked below average...dont want to just give him away for nothing

[Robber]

Amazing the dodgers have cap and Lilly

Most teams would have them starting

[JMobile]

Amazing the dodgers have cap and Lilly

Most teams would have them starting

Has Lilly even pitched yet?

[LT Profits]

im holding tight for now although i am going to try exploring trades to get rid of weaver....even once he comes back healthy, his fastball velocity is wayy down and he has just looked below average...dont want to just give him away for nothing

You can still make Trade 1 AND later explore trading Weaver. I like trade 1 on the surface without outside considerations.

[JMobile]

Pick up Chris Capuano

[Grits n' Gravy]

Think you are better off doing what you are and waiting for a better offer. Anyone offering up Lester or Bucholz? Both look very sharp early on.

[dudekid]

unfortunately grits its a league of all boston guys so even trying to get lackey is gonna cost you a premium

[JMobile]

Think you are better off doing what you are and waiting for a better offer. Anyone offering up Lester or Bucholz? Both look very sharp early on.

I had Barry Zito, and then last night he blew up my ERA and messed up my WHIP.

[MrZ]

That sucks, good luck the rest of the season man.