[ZINISTER]

These new school ODDS makers are as soft as the game. For them to continue to leave these Totals around 56 when these teams are getting 100 offensive plays a game is blowing my mind. The Sharps have them too scared to make the line higher. How can they throw out a Total lower then 63 in 3/4 of these games. I am loving it. Don't give me this it is early in the season blah blah blah. There are teams consistently horrible on defense, but they can score because they get 25 possessions a game. Ohio St./Indy had 4 possessions total in less the 2 1/2 minutes. I truly blows my mind Vegas has slept at the wheel this long. Old school books would have made you change your way of thinking long ago. They had BALLS. Keep up the awful job Vegas we LOVE YOU!

[BigdaddyQH]

My friend, you are way off. Last nights game went over ONLY because it went into OT. If not, it goes Under. The fact is that more games went Under this past weekend than Over. It's like anything else. You remember the big numbers but forget the little ones.

[ZINISTER]

Not sure when you bet every game the last time. I have never bet every game. I bet a select few a week. I do bet Unders. I had LSU. I have been doing good with Overs. This week was easy. Those stats involve Div.II teams and teams you know nothing about.

[ZINISTER]

Look what they are doing to the game BigD. They are moving it into a circus act. Bet the Overs. For a few. It won't hurt your wallet.

[BigdaddyQH]

Believe me. The Vegas books are way ahead of Joe Pub. Way ahead. Look what they did to all of the suckers who took UCLA on Sunday because the line started to go up. At this point in the season, they are perfectly happy with their 10% vig. As the season wears on, they will adjust. Their computers are miles ahead of anything that Joe Pub has. These lines and totals have been set for months now. Since June to be precise. All they have to do is adjust. Remember, these lines are based, for the most part, on perception. The computers try to guess what Joe Pub will do. The lines DO NOT represent the real lines. They represent what Joe Pub is going to perceive as the real line. Their is a way to separate the real line from the perceived line, but very few people know how to do that, or have the ability to do that.

I agree that the game is becoming a circus for the most part. This is because ESPN/ABC/Disney, the big losers here, have to try and recover some of their money and the best way to do so is to televise more high scoring games. They have saturated the market and people are getting tired of it. Worse than that, sponsors are getting tire of it. This is bad news for Vegas and the books, as they depend on your typical Male Macho Wanna-be's for a lot of their profit. The bottom line is that today's average male, 21-40, knows about 40% of what the average male his age know 20 years ago. These guys are lazy and basically stupid. They are afraid to do anything sober, so they get drunk and throw their money away. If Joe Pub was the "Meat" 20 years ago, these guys are Prime Filet. They are easily manipulated (see UCLA). They believe just about anything. These guys put money into the pockets of people like myself. People who are patient, know the game, and have reasonable expectations. People who do not expect to make a killing on every game. People who are willing to take 57-58% every year. People who have won over 7 figures in 20 years.

If you have a winning combination, stick with it. Adjust when needed. Be happy to hit 57-58% of the time. You will win a lot of money in the long run. Stick with it my friend. Do NOT let anyone tell you who to wager on. You do what works for you. Remember, most people in here are air bettors. They are easy to spot. They are always trying to get an extra point or so. They love to brag about how drunk they get. They are very little people with a very small chance of success at life. Treat them that way. Stick to what works for YOU, and NEVER tail anyone.

[ZINISTER]

One thing I excel at-is NOT listening. GL

[indio]

Believe me. The Vegas books are way ahead of Joe Pub. Way ahead. Look what they did to all of the suckers who took UCLA on Sunday because the line started to go up. At this point in the season, they are perfectly happy with their 10% vig. As the season wears on, they will adjust. Their computers are miles ahead of anything that Joe Pub has. These lines and totals have been set for months now. Since June to be precise. All they have to do is adjust. Remember, these lines are based, for the most part, on perception. The computers try to guess what Joe Pub will do. The lines DO NOT represent the real lines. They represent what Joe Pub is going to perceive as the real line. Their is a way to separate the real line from the perceived line, but very few people know how to do that, or have the ability to do that.

I agree that the game is becoming a circus for the most part. This is because ESPN/ABC/Disney, the big losers here, have to try and recover some of their money and the best way to do so is to televise more high scoring games. They have saturated the market and people are getting tired of it. Worse than that, sponsors are getting tire of it. This is bad news for Vegas and the books, as they depend on your typical Male Macho Wanna-be's for a lot of their profit. The bottom line is that today's average male, 21-40, knows about 40% of what the average male his age know 20 years ago. These guys are lazy and basically stupid. They are afraid to do anything sober, so they get drunk and throw their money away. If Joe Pub was the "Meat" 20 years ago, these guys are Prime Filet. They are easily manipulated (see UCLA). They believe just about anything. These guys put money into the pockets of people like myself. People who are patient, know the game, and have reasonable expectations. People who do not expect to make a killing on every game. People who are willing to take 57-58% every year. People who have won over 7 figures in 20 years.

If you have a winning combination, stick with it. Adjust when needed. Be happy to hit 57-58% of the time. You will win a lot of money in the long run. Stick with it my friend. Do NOT let anyone tell you who to wager on. You do what works for you. Remember, most people in here are air bettors. They are easy to spot. They are always trying to get an extra point or so. They love to brag about how drunk they get. They are very little people with a very small chance of success at life. Treat them that way. Stick to what works for YOU, and NEVER tail anyone.

When I read in your first few sentences that you think books get 10% vig in CFB, I knew the rest of the speech would be comically erroneous as well, and sure enough, it was. If you think any Vegas corporation that has a sports book actually depends on its sports books profits when they make more in their slot machines in one week than the sports book does in a calendar year, you clearly don't know where their bread is buttered. The top corporations treat their sports books like they would a 5 year old child. They allow them to fool around and exist as just another novelty and gimmick for their customers as long as they don't ever become a major liability, which is why they're on a short leash when it comes to limits, leagues, and winning players.

By the way, perhaps you should learn a little about statistical variance if you think anyone will achieve 57-58% rates every year when the typical college football season will only produce around 200 bets a year for even the most active bettor. Even if you have a 57.5% expectation on every bet (which is ludicrous), there's a 36% chance you'd win less than 570 out of 1,000 bets, let alone only a paltry 200 game sample size.

[BigdaddyQH]

When I read in your first few sentences that you think books get 10% vig in CFB, I knew the rest of the speech would be comically erroneous as well, and sure enough, it was. If you think any Vegas corporation that has a sports book actually depends on its sports books profits when they make more in their slot machines in one week than the sports book does in a calendar year, you clearly don't know where their bread is buttered. The top corporations treat their sports books like they would a 5 year old child. They allow them to fool around and exist as just another novelty and gimmick for their customers as long as they don't ever become a major liability, which is why they're on a short leash when it comes to limits, leagues, and winning players.

By the way, perhaps you should learn a little about statistical variance if you think anyone will achieve 57-58% rates every year when the typical college football season will only produce around 200 bets a year for even the most active bettor. Even if you have a 57.5% expectation on every bet (which is ludicrous), there's a 36% chance you'd win less than 570 out of 1,000 bets, let alone only a paltry 200 game sample size.

Close, but not quite. You obviously have never run a casino in Vegas. I know many people who have, and a couple that still do. Here is something that you totally overlook. There is only ONE way a casino can control it's winnings and losses, and that is through their mechanical games. (Slots, Poker Machines, etc...) If the book loses a lot, the casino boss just tightens up the machines. If the book wins a lot, the casino manager has many options, such as having a special tournament for various players, giving them discounted rooms and meals plus an entry into the tourney, or simply "loosening" up the machines.

Next, you do not know a thing about Vegas. You sound like one of these dumb college jocks who think they know everything, but know nothing. Just who spends a lot of money playing the slots (besides dummies like yourself who are simply too lazy to learn anything else.) How about the wives of the guys getting drunk in the Sports book? What do you think these ladies do all day? Sit around and watch T.V? So while Joe Macho gets drunk on his arse, sweating out a $100.00 wager, the old lady drops 200 to 300 on the machines. Mr. Macho doesn't care. He won his $100.00 wager. Besides that, if he dare say anything, Mrs. Macho will kick his arse. That's the way it really is for many of the clowns in here.

Finally, you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about statistical variances. You are assuming that EVERYONE has the same chance to hit a certain percentage. Wrong fool. People like yourself, who have absolutely no clue about wagering on College Football and what is really involved have a 0% chance of winning on a consistent basis. That is because you have no idea of what type of wagers make you the most money. People who make a living at sports wagering (and yes, there are many who do) know what they are talking about. You do not. You are talking about the "typical" year. For the ladies and gentlemen who make a living at this, there is no such thing as a "Typical" year. Every year is different. The only good thing is that as the years go by, the kids get dumber and dumber and it gets easier and easier to manipulate them. So why don't you take your 663 posts in 6 years and go back in hiding, before mama or your wife catches you on the computer again.

[jt315]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

FRAUDDADDY is Comedy Gold.



Remember, these lines are based, for the most part, on perception. The computers try to guess what Joe Pub will do. The lines DO NOT represent the real lines. They represent what Joe Pub is going to perceive as the real line. Their is a way to separate the real line from the perceived line, but very few people know how to do that, or have the ability to do that.

[indio]

Close, but not quite. You obviously have never run a casino in Vegas. I know many people who have, and a couple that still do. Here is something that you totally overlook. There is only ONE way a casino can control it's winnings and losses, and that is through their mechanical games. (Slots, Poker Machines, etc...) If the book loses a lot, the casino boss just tightens up the machines. If the book wins a lot, the casino manager has many options, such as having a special tournament for various players, giving them discounted rooms and meals plus an entry into the tourney, or simply "loosening" up the machines.

Next, you do not know a thing about Vegas. You sound like one of these dumb college jocks who think they know everything, but know nothing. Just who spends a lot of money playing the slots (besides dummies like yourself who are simply too lazy to learn anything else.) How about the wives of the guys getting drunk in the Sports book? What do you think these ladies do all day? Sit around and watch T.V? So while Joe Macho gets drunk on his arse, sweating out a $100.00 wager, the old lady drops 200 to 300 on the machines. Mr. Macho doesn't care. He won his $100.00 wager. Besides that, if he dare say anything, Mrs. Macho will kick his arse. That's the way it really is for many of the clowns in here.

Finally, you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about statistical variances. You are assuming that EVERYONE has the same chance to hit a certain percentage. Wrong fool. People like yourself, who have absolutely no clue about wagering on College Football and what is really involved have a 0% chance of winning on a consistent basis. That is because you have no idea of what type of wagers make you the most money. People who make a living at sports wagering (and yes, there are many who do) know what they are talking about. You do not. You are talking about the "typical" year. For the ladies and gentlemen who make a living at this, there is no such thing as a "Typical" year. Every year is different. The only good thing is that as the years go by, the kids get dumber and dumber and it gets easier and easier to manipulate them. So why don't you take your 663 posts in 6 years and go back in hiding, before mama or your wife catches you on the computer again.

Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself kid? I was making 6 figures a year gambling when your mother was giving her first hand jobs in junior high school. This reminds me of a thread years ago when you were trying to make yourself out to be some sort of big shot in poker, and then someone screen shot and posted your sharkscope chart showing your average buy in at $0.36 a game and a abysmal rating of 52. Do yourself a favor and stick to the children's sections and let the adults who know what they're talking about converse. As far as some of your erroneous assertions go, we can dissect those one by one.

A. You claim I don't know anything about statistical variance. - That's my bread and butter. Whether it's heads up poker, commodities trading, analysis, sales,bookmaking, or any of the other things I've done to put bread on my table over the last 30 years, knowing statistical variance is of paramount importance. The figure I quoted was spot on, because it's a binomial equation.

B. You say I assume everyone has the same chance to win at a certain percentage. - Weird assumption for you to take, considering I never said or even implied such a ridiculous notion. Care to share where I said anything that would give someone with an IQ over 80 that impression? I simply pointed out that even someone with an extremely high average of a .575 winning expectation could have enormous variance over a small 200 or less sample size.

C. You say I have no clue about betting College Football.- I haven't had a losing year in College Football since 1997. I've had a few years since that weren't very profitable along with some very profitable years, but '97 was the last year I had a loss of over 3% of total volume in CFB for the fiscal year from September to January.

Son, you're going to have to face the facts of your reality. You're a loser. And you'll always be a loser. That fact alone doesn't make you a bad person, but you're just not made to win, and you don't have what it takes to change. Your existence on this Earth really doesn't benefit or serve anybody, which would lead to the obvious question. What are you still hanging on for?

[Eddy Munny]

Some of the totals posted are downright bizarre. Nebraska/Arkansas State total was 47 for the longest time until gameday I believe when it started ticking upward past 50.

But seriously? 47 fukking points? I knew Nebraska's defense was going to be garbage (I watched a good chunk of their spring game) but that they were at least competent on the offensive side of the ball and couldn't for the life of me comprehend a 47 point total.

Needless to say I did bet the Over but I didn't pound it like I should have because the line was so egregious I figured that I must have been overlooking something that was keeping the total so low. No way these books responsible for millions of dollars in bets are just going to lay that joke of a number out there, right?

Texas A&M/UCLA opening at 58 was another softy as was Texas/Maryland at 56.

[ZINISTER]

A&M when playing the correct opponent has been a Gold Mine! Overs are the only thing I'm betting from here on out. Until I get burnt a few times. I have never seen it this easy to pick winners. These kids are NOT willing to tackle. If you watch the games closely, you will see them allow the ball carrier to pass them before they try to drag him down or trip him. Like you did as a kid in the back yard. The game is so soft, its like they are Pillow fighting. A&M will never improve on defense with that coaching staff. GL

[BigdaddyQH]

Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself kid? I was making 6 figures a year gambling when your mother was giving her first hand jobs in junior high school. This reminds me of a thread years ago when you were trying to make yourself out to be some sort of big shot in poker, and then someone screen shot and posted your sharkscope chart showing your average buy in at $0.36 a game and a abysmal rating of 52. Do yourself a favor and stick to the children's sections and let the adults who know what they're talking about converse. As far as some of your erroneous assertions go, we can dissect those one by one.

A. You claim I don't know anything about statistical variance. - That's my bread and butter. Whether it's heads up poker, commodities trading, analysis, sales,bookmaking, or any of the other things I've done to put bread on my table over the last 30 years, knowing statistical variance is of paramount importance. The figure I quoted was spot on, because it's a binomial equation.

B. You say I assume everyone has the same chance to win at a certain percentage. - Weird assumption for you to take, considering I never said or even implied such a ridiculous notion. Care to share where I said anything that would give someone with an IQ over 80 that impression? I simply pointed out that even someone with an extremely high average of a .575 winning expectation could have enormous variance over a small 200 or less sample size.

C. You say I have no clue about betting College Football.- I haven't had a losing year in College Football since 1997. I've had a few years since that weren't very profitable along with some very profitable years, but '97 was the last year I had a loss of over 3% of total volume in CFB for the fiscal year from September to January.

Son, you're going to have to face the facts of your reality. You're a loser. And you'll always be a loser. That fact alone doesn't make you a bad person, but you're just not made to win, and you don't have what it takes to change. Your existence on this Earth really doesn't benefit or serve anybody, which would lead to the obvious question. What are you still hanging on for?

You are a lying phony. You are worthless. You never make a play in here. You just pop in and out, trying to convince people how smart you are, when in fact, you are one of the biggest dumb arses in here. Don't give me this caca about how good you are in College Football. Make a post picking teams and prove it. You will do that because you are a chicken s**t and you know it. You tried playing this same game in another site and got run out. The way you "put bread on the table is by hitting the streets and begging. Now, you dumb S.O.B., you will not question my existence again. I am much more important than a fake like you will ever be. Peons like yourself belong on the street, trying to make a living. Get your worthless arse out of here. You are too chcken s**t to make a wager. And here is a little hint boy. Before you go running your uneducated mouth off, you had better check to see who you are talking about and with. Now take a hike, you poor slob.

[BigdaddyQH]

Correction. You will NOT make a pick because you are a chicken s**t.

[BigdaddyQH]

A&M when playing the correct opponent has been a Gold Mine! Overs are the only thing I'm betting from here on out. Until I get burnt a few times. I have never seen it this easy to pick winners. These kids are NOT willing to tackle. If you watch the games closely, you will see them allow the ball carrier to pass them before they try to drag him down or trip him. Like you did as a kid in the back yard. The game is so soft, its like they are Pillow fighting. A&M will never improve on defense with that coaching staff. GL

Are you saying that the only time you will wager on A&M will be to take the Over, or the only time you will wager on any college football will be to take the Over?

[ZINISTER]

I don't want to dilute my correct picks with picks I have less of a chance of winning. My Overs are going so good from last year, I don't see any reason to wager on Lines.

Are you saying that the only time you will wager on A&M will be to take the Over, or the only time you will wager on any college football will be to take the Over?

[ZINISTER]

I am tempted on betting Michigan -34. Luke Fickel is the Bearcats coach this year. He is an absolute cheese diock. Michigan will want to kill him because he was associated with Ohio ST. He is horrible as a D-coordinator. Cincy struggled with Austin Peay. I don't usually like laying more then 24 in NCAA. I will stay away from it for that reason! Final 55-10

[ZINISTER]

I have narrowed my starting 5 Overs down to my final 3. Neb/Org. MTSU/Syr. E. Car/WV unless something happens those are my picks.

[ZINISTER]

I mostly bet 5 Overs a week. This week I am going with 3.

[JayDr3am]

yes

[ZINISTER]

ok ?

[ZINISTER]

Defenseless turds facing one another. Easy Pleasy!

[2daBank]

I have narrowed my starting 5 Overs down to my final 3. Neb/Org. MTSU/Syr. E. Car/WV unless something happens those are my picks.

Even tho we talking a low 70s total I'm not sure they can line that scary/mizzou total high enough. Granted mizzou was probably taking little sister of the poor Missouri state rather lightly it still unreal that team hung half a Hundo on a div 1 team!! The fact mizzou the favs here screams we gonna see tons and tons of points cause their defense didn't look capable of stopping a jr high team and the offense has lots o talent.

[gojetsgomoxies]

semi-grunching but what is the obsession with OVER's on this site?

over total 60 points is running 37%... over 65 points = 35%........ the biggest moneymaker so far has been blindly better UNDER's on high totals.

over total 70 points is a winner i will note for completeness purposes but alot fewer games..

not sure there is much significant to this but total between 65 and 70 i.e. technically runs from 65.5 to 70 inclusive, is running at 18% OVERs.......

[gojetsgomoxies]

sorry, i meant to say i realize OP is being selective...... but some in this forum seem obsessed with betting OVERs being some sort of magical investment scheme... i think part of it is that big OVER games get alot of coverage/interest from TV watchers etc...

[ZINISTER]

I watched SEC films on Mizz/Mizz St. The Missouri D is real bad. Mizz St. was running up and down thefield on them. I can't see a coach rectifying that big of a problem in a week. Mizz's Offense looked strong against a weak D. This will be a track meet. I took a look at this one . Just wasn't sure Mizz can do enough against a better D. GL

Even tho we talking a low 70s total I'm not sure they can line that scary/mizzou total high enough. Granted mizzou was probably taking little sister of the poor Missouri state rather lightly it still unreal that team hung half a Hundo on a div 1 team!! The fact mizzou the favs here screams we gonna see tons and tons of points cause their defense didn't look capable of stopping a jr high team and the offense has lots o talent.

[2daBank]

sorry, i meant to say i realize OP is being selective...... but some in this forum seem obsessed with betting OVERs being some sort of magical investment scheme... i think part of it is that big OVER games get alot of coverage/interest from TV watchers etc...

For whatever reason I've always had more success/prefer overs in NCAA while I've always liked unders in NFL. Obviously both cash just have a easier time identifying overs with NCAA football.

[2daBank]

I watched SEC films on Mizz/Mizz St. The Missouri D is real bad. Mizz St. was running up and down thefield on them. I can't see a coach rectifying that big of a problem in a week. Mizz's Offense looked strong against a weak D. This will be a track meet. I took a look at this one . Just wasn't sure Mizz can do enough against a better D. GL

Obviously tigers offense ain't gonna do what they did last week to many sec teams however I'd expect they hang a lot of high point totals against the majority this season. Second year in this fast paced system and the qb seems to have good command of it.

[gojetsgomoxies]

For whatever reason I've always had more success/prefer overs in NCAA while I've always liked unders in NFL. Obviously both cash just have a easier time identifying overs with NCAA football.

2dabank, good comment.. i seem to have big bias towards underdogs and overs in NCAAF......... to each his own as your comment suggests.

[2daBank]

2dabank, good comment.. i seem to have big bias towards underdogs and overs in NCAAF......... to each his own as your comment suggests.

I hear ya, I'm more underdog biased than either way on totals. Mostly cause I'm allergic to laying points and/or juice. lol.

[gojetsgomoxies]

I hear ya, I'm more underdog biased than either way on totals. Mostly cause I'm allergic to laying points and/or juice. lol.

i meant to say that i'm UNDER biased. i figure if not much happens then you win (not sure that is completely logical or that i articulated it properly... sort of like buying value stocks). and apparently the public loves OVERs

i think i like underdogs cause i'm always looking for crapppy teams improving.. i guess i could look for good teams deteriorating.. but i seem to like to bet on a team than fade another team.

anyway, for whatever reason it's whatever fits your eye

[Grits n' Gravy]

Close, but not quite. You obviously have never run a casino in Vegas. I know many people who have, and a couple that still do. Here is something that you totally overlook. There is only ONE way a casino can control it's winnings and losses, and that is through their mechanical games. (Slots, Poker Machines, etc...) If the book loses a lot, the casino boss just tightens up the machines. If the book wins a lot, the casino manager has many options, such as having a special tournament for various players, giving them discounted rooms and meals plus an entry into the tourney, or simply "loosening" up the machines.

Next, you do not know a thing about Vegas. You sound like one of these dumb college jocks who think they know everything, but know nothing. Just who spends a lot of money playing the slots (besides dummies like yourself who are simply too lazy to learn anything else.) How about the wives of the guys getting drunk in the Sports book? What do you think these ladies do all day? Sit around and watch T.V? So while Joe Macho gets drunk on his arse, sweating out a $100.00 wager, the old lady drops 200 to 300 on the machines. Mr. Macho doesn't care. He won his $100.00 wager. Besides that, if he dare say anything, Mrs. Macho will kick his arse. That's the way it really is for many of the clowns in here.

Finally, you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about statistical variances. You are assuming that EVERYONE has the same chance to hit a certain percentage. Wrong fool. People like yourself, who have absolutely no clue about wagering on College Football and what is really involved have a 0% chance of winning on a consistent basis. That is because you have no idea of what type of wagers make you the most money. People who make a living at sports wagering (and yes, there are many who do) know what they are talking about. You do not. You are talking about the "typical" year. For the ladies and gentlemen who make a living at this, there is no such thing as a "Typical" year. Every year is different. The only good thing is that as the years go by, the kids get dumber and dumber and it gets easier and easier to manipulate them. So why don't you take your 663 posts in 6 years and go back in hiding, before mama or your wife catches you on the computer again.

You could not be more wrong. Machines do not get tightened up after a big sports book loss. Paperwork needs to be submitted to GCB and then wait for their approval. It can take up to 2 weeks for that and even then some machines need to have new programs purchased from manufacturer and installed. It does not happen on the fly and if someone was to change hold % settings without GCB approval, well good luck keeping your license. This is coming from someone who knows first hand how a slot department operates with 5 years as vp of slot ops sonf gaming for a major gaming company. Spots betting on big events gets the headlines but it just an amenity to draw customers into the building where they will spend money on tables, machines, f&b and entertainment.

Also, the small incremental changes that do occur on slot machines do not greatly impact overall revenue in a short time period. Let's just say you have a casino with 1000 various slot machines. Then say that 300 of them are video poker. That leaves you with 700 machines to change programs on. Then you have the various manufacturers who all have different setups to configure. Each different themed machine will also have different theo hold %. Some such as the old school Triple Diamond slot machine may have a theo of 4.5%....meaning the machine should retain $4.50 of every $100 cycled through the machine while others like Buffalo will have a hold% of 15%. You then need a mechanic and depending on top prize of machine, a witness, to go to the machine, change the program and integrity seals. Average game will take anywhere from 20-25 minutes to convert and the average casino will have 2 mechanics per 8 hr shift. By the time all 700 machines have been tightened up a few weeks will have passed. Not very economical use of labor.

[BigdaddyQH]

You could not be more wrong. Machines do not get tightened up after a big sports book loss. Paperwork needs to be submitted to GCB and then wait for their approval. It can take up to 2 weeks for that and even then some machines need to have new programs purchased from manufacturer and installed. It does not happen on the fly and if someone was to change hold % settings without GCB approval, well good luck keeping your license. This is coming from someone who knows first hand how a slot department operates with 5 years as vp of slot ops sonf gaming for a major gaming company. Spots betting on big events gets the headlines but it just an amenity to draw customers into the building where they will spend money on tables, machines, f&b and entertainment.

Also, the small incremental changes that do occur on slot machines do not greatly impact overall revenue in a short time period. Let's just say you have a casino with 1000 various slot machines. Then say that 300 of them are video poker. That leaves you with 700 machines to change programs on. Then you have the various manufacturers who all have different setups to configure. Each different themed machine will also have different theo hold %. Some such as the old school Triple Diamond slot machine may have a theo of 4.5%....meaning the machine should retain $4.50 of every $100 cycled through the machine while others like Buffalo will have a hold% of 15%. You then need a mechanic and depending on top prize of machine, a witness, to go to the machine, change the program and integrity seals. Average game will take anywhere from 20-25 minutes to convert and the average casino will have 2 mechanics per 8 hr shift. By the time all 700 machines have been tightened up a few weeks will have passed. Not very economical use of labor.

WRONG. There is a certain percentage that each machine must fall between, but any changes can be made immediately IF they are between those numbers. The casino manager control ALL of the action. He has machines placed in strategic parts of the casino that pay MORE than 100% in an effort to get customers to play in his casino. Those machines can be set to the minimum allowable payout. It takes about 5 minutes to change each machine. They are all computerized now (Unless you play in some dump) so it is very simple to change a chip, which is exactly what they do. A computer chip controls everything. Also, the paperwork that you talk about is only if the casino wants to lower the percentage of the payout to a number lower than the minimum established by Board. Those numbers are so low that casino's never come close to them. Not even with their penny machines. The percentage that most machines pays out is NOT changed on the floor, but rather during routine maintenance. Only a small number of machines need be changed on the floor to change the total profit made by the casinos. One mechanic can easily change 12 machines in an hour. So in the wee hours, the mechanic can easily change 40 machines and probably not even be noticed. It is that simple.

[BigdaddyQH]

One other thing. If you are trying to imply that you were a vp of any type of slot operation, you are so full of caca that you reek from Los Angeles to New York City. You know NOTHING.

[homerbush]

Not sure when you bet every game the last time. I have never bet every game. I bet a select few a week. I do bet Unders. I had LSU. I have been doing good with Overs. This week was easy. Those stats involve Div.II teams and teams you know nothing about.

Div II teams? Do you perhaps mean FCS teams
You know
Div 1 AA not Division II. I don't why people continue to follow sports gene they don't get these things.