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    Quote Originally Posted by crbravens23 View Post
    I could not disagree with you more on your , " beat the books " theory. It is US against the books. Other players do not lay or take your money. And if you think the books simply just try to get equal action on both sides for every game, then you are naive. The books are in this to win your money. And if they can win more by putting out a line that they know the majority of the bets will go to one particular side and they feel the opposite is a live dog, they will do so to make a large profit. I'm not saying they do this every game but they do it more often than you think.
    You certainly have the right to disagree with me, but before you do, you should really do some investigative work. Have you ever worked in a book? If I beat you, I TAKE YOUR MONEY. I TAKE the money that you gave the books. Notice that I said that this is what happens "normally" but not always. I have been wagering before you were born. I learned from the best. The books are NOT in the business of determining which line is the best, or which team is the best. The Vegas Sports Book is part of the greater Casino strategy. The Casino General Manager expects a certain profit from each of his section managers. The Sports Book Manager will take advantage of certain situations, but he/she does NOT create these situations. People like myself and other sharps make these situations happen, by using tricks like the "bait and switch" to sucker Joe Pub into wagering on the wrong side.

    Here is an example of how "the sharps" use Joe Pub. In 2009, Tim Tebow was leading Florida to a National Champion. He was injured in a game against Kentucky. Florida had a bye week before playing LSU in Baton Rouge. Florida opened up at -12 against the then undefeated LSU team. Then, some well placed rumors about Tebow's status caught fire, and the line dropped to 6. The people who started the rumors had taken LSU +12. When it becamse aparent that Tebow would play, the line eventually climbed back up to 10, but the ones in the know had already taken Florida -6 1/2. Florida wins the game 13-3, a 10 point win and a push ATS, except for the sharps who cashed in on a very nice "middle". The majority of the people who wagered lost. The casino's did quite well because there was so much action on this game, the vig was huge. That is how it is done. That is why 12% of the people who wager are winners, and 85% are losers.

    Now if you are talking about "Off Shore" books, that is totally different. They can, and often do, whatever they want because there is absolutely NOTHING that people in the US can do if they get cheated, which also happens too many times. I have worked in Vegas part time for several years, shoring up their security. I know how things are done. Believe what you want, but how much money have you lost over the years? You probably will say that you have won, but everyone in here does. This is why I keep a Spreadsheet in here. Anyone can look and see exactly how I do. GL this year, no matter what you may believe. Look at it this way. Do you really think that your brain can out think a computer? Believe me, Vegas books have thought of everything that you can possible think of. A famous Italian was once asked if table games and sports were rigged. His answer was spot on. He said: "Why rig the games when we can make so much money having legitimate games".
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    Bigdaddy is EXACTLY right and I remember when that quote was said and if im not mistaken I think they even used it in the movie Casino. Well put Bigdaddy

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    Oh ya, Bigdaddy is surely right.

    Except, only fags (never sharps) use the word "wager".

    Then he says specifically that only 12% of bettors win and 85% lose. This is clearly a stupid statement. How does he know? What he's conducted studies? What about the other 3%? They must "break even"?

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    Big daddy is a blowhard who has a rudimentary understanding of how "sharps" make money.

    And he also loses all credibility when he throws out "facts" like 85% of bettors lose. We all know it's a hell of a lot more than that. But obviously there is no concrete way to determine that.

    somebody who deals in probability would know that. Which leads us to assume Bigdaddy is entirely full of shit.

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    Bigdaddy (or anyone else who can answer), how does one view a member's spreadsheet of archived bets? I went to your account page but couldn't find it. Do I have to be a SBR Pro or something. Thanks.

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    True Scumbag it actually is less than 1% that make money consistantly and do this for a living.

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    I will definitely be following this thread this season. BOL to you!

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    Welcome aboard BSJ..Best of luck to you

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    Reporting for duty

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    Hey buddy howve you been?

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    Utep and Ohio look like a couple good dogs for ML parlays.

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    I dont play dogs my friend

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    Tailed a few times last year. Usually if I liked it and you liked it than that was all I needed to play it. BOL to all the members here this coming season. Cannot wait to get started!

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    vegasreaper ready for football lets get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasreaper View Post
    Hey buddy howve you been?
    Man! Ive enjoyed some highs, but suffered some extreme lows this baseball season. I need football now

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    Yeah I feel ya brother. Look at me I was -24 units now plus 35 units like I try to tell people its not a sprint its where I finish the season

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    do you flat bet these or have a unit scale, if so how big? Are you having another thread for your non moneyline plays or will both be posted here? thanks and really looking forward to a good season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishLuck777 View Post
    do you flat bet these or have a unit scale, if so how big? Are you having another thread for your non moneyline plays or will both be posted here? thanks and really looking forward to a good season!
    He'll have another thread for straight plays...same for NCAA football. I feel like his PR rep LOL
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    Hey VR, will u have a parlay for Thursday's games this week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3 View Post
    He'll have another thread for straight plays...same for NCAA football. I feel like his PR rep LOL
    lol he payin you for this? is the second thread up yet? ive only seen a link to one

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    What book do you use VR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishLuck777 View Post
    lol he payin you for this? is the second thread up yet? ive only seen a link to one
    Lol winning plays is good enough payment. But I think he's just going to continue using these two threads. He usually doesnt post plays till game day, so thursday is the day!

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    The M, Southpointe, LVH and offshore 5Dimes, betus,

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    vegas i know you bet to win that much as the highest odds in the parlay, often around 400-600 dollar.
    But how mych you bet on your single picks?
    Last edited by knugen; 08-25-14 at 01:11 PM.

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    330.00

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    Reaper I followed you last year you made the college football season a lot of fun! BOL

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    Hey Reaper do you have the results for the previous seasons??

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    +3400.00 skyscraper

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasreaper View Post
    +3400.00 skyscraper
    Thank you sir. Should be a fun season with all these straightup MLs. Don't have to worry about the spread at all. Can't wait till we begin...

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    Are 3400 only on your parlays?
    What was your profit on your single picks?

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    I'll be trailing you once again like a mofo. When can we expect your first picks Reap?

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    Yes knugen +7200 on straight plays

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    Probably thursday wufpakman

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasreaper View Post
    Bigdaddy is EXACTLY right and I remember when that quote was said and if im not mistaken I think they even used it in the movie Casino. Well put Bigdaddy
    not in the movie casino from my recollection. Look forward to tailing you this year

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    Damn. So it was over 10k. Pretty good.

    Can i ask you what your starting BR are?

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