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    Its Official Paterno Statue Coming Down

    Associated Press 6:47 a.m. CDT, July 22, 2012

    Penn State University will remove the famed statue of Joe Paterno outside its football stadium, eliminating a key piece of the iconography surrounding the once-sainted football coach accused of burying child sex abuse allegations against a retired assistant.
    The university said Sunday that it will take down the larger-than-life monument in the face of an investigative report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that found the late coach, along with three top Penn State administrators, concealed the abuse claims against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago in order to shield the university and its football program from negative publicity.
    A spokeswoman for the Paterno family did not immediately return phone and email messages Sunday morning.
    Construction vehicles and police arrived shortly after dawn Sunday, barricading the street and sidewalks near the statue, erecting a chain-link fence then concealing the statue with a blue tarp.
    A live video feed posted on the website of the Centre Daily Times of State College showed workers in white hard hats draping a plastic sheet over the statue, preparing for its removal.
    Penn State President Rod Erickson said he decided to have the statue removed and put into storage because it "has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing."
    "I believe that, were it to remain, the statue will be a recurring wound to the multitude of individuals across the nation and beyond who have been the victims of child abuse," Erickson said in a statement released at 7 a.m. Sunday.
    He said Paterno's name will remain on the campus library because it "symbolizes the substantial and lasting contributions to the academic life and educational excellence that the Paterno family has made to Penn State University."
    The bronze sculpture outside Beaver Stadium has been a rallying point for students and alumni outraged over Paterno's firing four days after Sandusky's Nov. 5 arrest — and grief-stricken over the Hall of Fame coach's Jan. 22 death at age 85.
    But it turned into a target for critics after the Freeh report's stunning allegation of a cover-up by Paterno, ousted President Graham Spanier and two Penn State officials, Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz. Their failure to report Sandusky to child-welfare authorities in 2001 allowed him to continue molesting boys, the report found.
    Paterno's family, along with attorneys for Spanier, Curley and Schultz, vehemently deny any suggestion they protected a pedophile. Curley and Schultz await trial on charges of failing to report child abuse and lying to a grand jury but maintain their innocence. Spanier hasn't been charged. Sandusky was convicted last month of 45 counts of sexual abuse of 10 boys.
    Some newspaper columnists and former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden have said the statue should be taken down, while a small plane pulled a banner over State College reading, "Take the statue down or we will."
    But Paterno still has plenty of fans, and Penn State's decision to remove the monument won't sit well with them. One student even vowed to "chain myself to that statue" if there was an attempt to remove it.
    University officials had called the issue a sensitive one in light of Paterno's enormous contributions to the school over a 61-year coaching career. The Paterno family is well-known in the community for philanthropic efforts, including the millions of dollars they've donated to the university to help build a library and fund endowments and scholarships.
    The statue, nearly 7 feet tall and weighing more than 900 pounds, was built in 2001 in honor of Paterno's record-setting 324th Division 1 coaching victory and his "contributions to the university."

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    Fuk

    I mean sorry for the victims and all but this is gonna cost me hundreds of betpoints!

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    Good someone would have taken it down if they didn't

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    fukked up thing is there were guards protecting the statue to make sure it wasn't vandalized in the last few weeks

    but no guards to protect the kids
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    breaking news...

    Jay Paterno bought it, and will not sleep with it in is bed

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    unreal

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    What's sickening are the people standing behind joe he should have went to the police not the board of trustees. Joe should have went to prison.

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    sanctions

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    Gregm LOL at your avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatommack View Post
    What's sickening are the people standing behind joe he should have went to the police not the board of trustees. Joe should have went to prison.
    He did go to the police... Gary Schultz was the head of the police department. It was on McQueary to go to the police as a witness, because he was the one who actually saw what happened. He didn't.

    It amazes me how many people put all the blame on Paterno, strictly because he's the biggest name in this. People need to actually read the Freeh report, because all it is is a bunch of assumptions and guesses by the Freeh team. They acknowledge in the report that they have no idea if Paterno was even updated properly on the 1998 investigation, or what he was told.

    Maybe Paterno knew everything, maybe he knew nothing. There hasn't been any evidence shown to confirm either side. Hopefully the truth comes out during the trials. Some type of real evidence pointing either way.

    I don't care if he covered up or not, but I do care about his reputation and name being destroyed on some guys assumptions over a decade afterwards with no evidence backing it.

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    a sad day for penn state football.....punish what was wrong not what was right

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    I can't believe there's support for him, it's mind blowing. What he did would've landed him in prison, and certainly has landed him in hell (if you believe that sort of the thing).

    Sad that there's people out there saying "remember the good times.". Yea, let's ignore that he covered up child rape.....let's just focus on the wins and graduation rate.

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    Louis Freeh is not some dipshit just giving his best guess about what went on. He left no doubt Joe knew damn well he was protecting a pedophile, and chose to continue doing it for years.

    Doesn't matter what good he did, the bad far outweighs it all. Fukk Joe Paterno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WvGambler View Post
    I can't believe there's support for him, it's mind blowing. What he did would've landed him in prison, and certainly has landed him in hell (if you believe that sort of the thing).

    Sad that there's people out there saying "remember the good times.". Yea, let's ignore that he covered up child rape.....let's just focus on the wins and graduation rate.
    Its mind blowing, at first, but these kind of events are enlightening in that you can really tell who is thinking critically about the situation and who is just a fkn moron, same thing happened with Michael Jackson...all those fools still supported him and whatnot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NrmlCurvSurfr View Post
    Its mind blowing, at first, but these kind of events are enlightening in that you can really tell who is thinking critically about the situation and who is just a fkn moron, same thing happened with Michael Jackson...all those fools still supported him and whatnot...
    I said the same thing last night. Playing poker and MJ came on the radio. It literally makes me sick that we still play his music on the radio. He molested children. He paid some of the children to stay out of court. I don't give a shit if he could dance.

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    Man I wish I wouldve never come into this damn thread, I literally can't talk about this stuff without it ruining my day. I will never wrap my brain around how people can be supporting Paterno anymore. It makes my vision blurry with anger. Maybe it's because the line of work I am in, maybe its because I have two kids of my own.....but this small interaction about this will cause me to be in a prick mood all day.

    Had nice plans today with the wife: dinner with friends and then Batman.....now it's all ruined. I will be a grumpy fukk for the next 12 hours now. Fukk me

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post

    I don't care if he covered up or not
    Anyone who makes a statement like this deserves to spend the rest of his life as Sandusky's cell mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WvGambler View Post
    I said the same thing last night. Playing poker and MJ came on the radio. It literally makes me sick that we still play his music on the radio. He molested children. He paid some of the children to stay out of court. I don't give a shit if he could dance.
    Mj was set up by the illuminati/powers that be who run the music industry ....the same ones who killed him....They tried to force his hand and make him sell his catalogue of music....The dude Owned like half of Sony ...the guy liked to sing about helping people and healing the world...the music industry prefers u sing about blowing money
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    SBR.. did you grade the wagers???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    Anyone who makes a statement like this deserves to spend the rest of his life as Sandusky's cell mate.
    Oh hey there internet tough guy.

    I meant on a personal level. It doesn't affect me either way is what I meant. Obviously if he helped cover it up, he was a shitty human being and deserves to rot in hell. It doesn't change my life tho (where the "i don't care either way" comes in) as I have no allegiance to PSU or Paterno. I should've worded it better, thats my fault.

    People need to actually look at what has presented so far and make a decision for themselves. Without truthful testimony from the 3 main guys involved who are still alive, we will never really know who knew what. Will that ever happen? Who knows. If Joe did in fact help cover it up, his legacy deserves every bit of what people are saying about it now and he deserves every bit of pain that he helped cover up. Bottom line is, though, that we don't know what he did yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    He did go to the police... Gary Schultz was the head of the police department. It was on McQueary to go to the police as a witness, because he was the one who actually saw what happened. He didn't.

    It amazes me how many people put all the blame on Paterno, strictly because he's the biggest name in this. People need to actually read the Freeh report, because all it is is a bunch of assumptions and guesses by the Freeh team. They acknowledge in the report that they have no idea if Paterno was even updated properly on the 1998 investigation, or what he was told.

    Maybe Paterno knew everything, maybe he knew nothing. There hasn't been any evidence shown to confirm either side. Hopefully the truth comes out during the trials. Some type of real evidence pointing either way.

    I don't care if he covered up or not, but I do care about his reputation and name being destroyed on some guys assumptions over a decade afterwards with no evidence backing it.

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    tt is drowning his sorrows drinking straight from the deep fryer at his local Golden Corral. Guy was a huge Sandusky supporter and Paterno backer. He may end it all and eat a salad.

    statue should be melted down and made into dildo and rammed up the ass of all people involved, including joe's corpse. and no sideloaded you can't pretend you worked for penn st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WvGambler View Post
    I said the same thing last night. Playing poker and MJ came on the radio. It literally makes me sick that we still play his music on the radio. He molested children. He paid some of the children to stay out of court. I don't give a shit if he could dance.
    Same thing with that Gary Glitter guy. Even after he was convicted of possessing child pornography, arenas around the world still played his "Rock and Roll..." song and of course he still received royalties for this when they did. It was only after he was convicted of child molestation in Asia did I notice that they didn't play it any more.

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    Wow, cool, that will surely help the victims


    Only sanctimonious idiots give a shit about a statue

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    Here's the thing to people who say he did go to the police.. If I was told more than once kids were being raped by somebody who works for me.. I would go to the police 50 times i nothing happened after the first time.. I would go and ask "hey did you guys figure out i he raped these kids..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    He did go to the police... Gary Schultz was the head of the police department. It was on McQueary to go to the police as a witness, because he was the one who actually saw what happened. He didn't.

    It amazes me how many people put all the blame on Paterno, strictly because he's the biggest name in this. People need to actually read the Freeh report, because all it is is a bunch of assumptions and guesses by the Freeh team. They acknowledge in the report that they have no idea if Paterno was even updated properly on the 1998 investigation, or what he was told.

    Maybe Paterno knew everything, maybe he knew nothing. There hasn't been any evidence shown to confirm either side. Hopefully the truth comes out during the trials. Some type of real evidence pointing either way.

    I don't care if he covered up or not, but I do care about his reputation and name being destroyed on some guys assumptions over a decade afterwards with no evidence backing it.
    You're a fvcking idiot! Joe is a piece of shit he could have done way more like fire him ASAP did he no? He still let the pedo bear run camps to this day knowing full well he was a child molester. Joe is a pos and everyone involved at penn state also. I hope the program never recovers. I hope the victims sue the shit outa penn state and they have to shut their doors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby heenan View Post
    Mj was set up by the illuminati/powers that be who run the music industry ....the same ones who killed him....They tried to force his hand and make him sell his catalogue of music....The dude Owned like half of Sony ...the guy liked to sing about helping people and healing the world...the music industry prefers u sing about blowing money
    very sharp post

    listen to some of michael jacksons interviews where he blames the media for paying the families to lie

    michael was fruity but probably never molested those kids

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    Great move, can't leave that shit up

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKoz9 View Post
    Wow, cool, that will surely help the victims


    Only sanctimonious idiots give a shit about a statue

    Boom

    And there you have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatommack View Post
    You're a fvcking idiot! Joe is a piece of shit he could have done way more like fire him ASAP did he no? He still let the pedo bear run camps to this day knowing full well he was a child molester. Joe is a pos and everyone involved at penn state also. I hope the program never recovers. I hope the victims sue the shit outa penn state and they have to shut their doors.
    Fire someone for being found not guilty of any wrongdoing? Because thats what happened when Sandusky was investigated in 1998. The cops found no evidence of wrongdoing. So you're saying Paterno should've fired him for that, when according to the Freeh report, they don't even know what info Paterno had on the investigation? Sounds like you're the idiot.

    I hope the victims get all the help they need, both psychologically and financially. I'm sure they'll get it. Try thinking logically and with the facts, rather than just on emotion.

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    Joe Pa will have to come back and tell the truth to clear his name, or kidnap his son Jay before he permanently ruins it.

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    Joe Pa is not dead

    He will come back like Elvis and 2Pac

    Watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    Fire someone for being found not guilty of any wrongdoing? Because thats what happened when Sandusky was investigated in 1998. The cops found no evidence of wrongdoing. So you're saying Paterno should've fired him for that, when according to the Freeh report, they don't even know what info Paterno had on the investigation? Sounds like you're the idiot.

    I hope the victims get all the help they need, both psychologically and financially. I'm sure they'll get it. Try thinking logically and with the facts, rather than just on emotion.
    It's been repeated several times that joe knew about this guy. There was an investigation and it found that joe and everyone in the front office knew and covered it up. You would not be standing by joes side if that was you're son so stfu.

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