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    Houston -3...no brainer?

    Hey y'all, I'm new to this, but I've been doing pretty well. I'm looking at the lines and I'm really surprised at Houston -3. I'm all over it. Just wanted to bring it to yalls attention. Best of luck and happy thanksgiving.


    Ps. I'm going in on this without any research, just purely based on how Houston has performed this season

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    Tulsa wins

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    Is that a gut call or you actually have some good analysis?

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    i really agree with your expert analysis, not to be a dick, but ******* give some explaination you pansi

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    guess its his opinion probably doesnt have any stats to back it up

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    Followed Houston all season, it does seem like a no brainer but Tulsa have a better team overall, home ground advantage and has been up against tougher oppositions. Tough one to call.

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    uhh tulsa has 107th pass defense.....how are they better team???

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    The correct angle to look at in this matchup is the $$ angle. I'm assuming the ref's will be conference USA, and if that's the case, Houston should get all the calls.

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    With line opening up at Houston -3, it worried me a bit. especially with Hawaii throwing games this year. This morning it was Houston -1.5. So something is going on. Probably the most proficient passing attack in the last decade and they going up against of one worst pass defenses in the country. I think it will be Houston by at least a TD.

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    One of the worst pass defenses in the country? Are you kidding? Tulsa's pass D is not great, but probably a little above average.

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    A road favorite under 4, anyone want to tell the audience how this one ends?

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    well your on the right side on this one , gl

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.W. View Post
    One of the worst pass defenses in the country? Are you kidding? Tulsa's pass D is not great, but probably a little above average.
    How is being ranked 107th in pass defense a little above average? That is below average and I'm sure everyone else agrees. Houston runs 3-4 wr sets on almost every play. Houston has the number 1 passing attack in the country, yes we all know that neither team is facing an SEC defense every week, but they are hard to stop. Tulsa can only beat Houston if its a shootout and hope to get some turnovers.

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    Houston all day. Bet the house on this one.

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    Houston sucker bet, may win by 65, but it is going down IMO. If the spread isn't telling you this then read it again until u get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pin Fish View Post
    uhh tulsa has 107th pass defense.....how are they better team???
    Is that your basis on determining the quality of a team?

    Houston are number 1 in passing so technically they will pass more than any more team...no.

    Houston is the play still.

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    Just take the under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebestthereis View Post
    Houston sucker bet, may win by 65, but it is going down IMO. If the spread isn't telling you this then read it again until u get it.
    GB was a "sucker bet" today. Keenum will want to go undefeated...

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    Tulsa turns the ball over a ton. I know they have an average +/- ratio, but it's because their defense forces a lot of turnovers. Houston does an excellent job of not turning the ball over. I think Houston will win the turnover battle, which will be the deciding factor.

    Houston ML for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.W. View Post
    One of the worst pass defenses in the country? Are you kidding? Tulsa's pass D is not great, but probably a little above average.
    Opponents averaging 23 completions (109th) on 38 attempts (111th) for 278 passing yards per game (107th). That makes them one of the worst pass defenses in the country. They also have a below average pass rush (81st in sacks), while Houston is 16th in pass protection so it stands to reason that Keenum will likely have a pretty good amount of time to operate in the pocket. The only element of pass defense in which Tulsa has performed fairly well is interceptions, but Keenum has a 38-3 TD-Int ratio, so I'm not sure that Tulsa backers can rely on much of an impact from their secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerguy02 View Post
    GB was a "sucker bet" today. Keenum will want to go undefeated...
    Wrong, Dallas was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suicidekings View Post
    Opponents averaging 23 completions (109th) on 38 attempts (111th) for 278 passing yards per game (107th). That makes them one of the worst pass defenses in the country. They also have a below average pass rush (81st in sacks), while Houston is 16th in pass protection so it stands to reason that Keenum will likely have a pretty good amount of time to operate in the pocket. The only element of pass defense in which Tulsa has performed fairly well is interceptions, but Keenum has a 38-3 TD-Int ratio, so I'm not sure that Tulsa backers can rely on much of an impact from their secondary.
    Good stuff. About time someone could build a logical argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    Wrong, Dallas was.
    Pauly....i see this game like the GB game.....line dropped in favor of detroit and everyone was asking why even though gb was the play. I see the same thing with the houston game....there is so much $$ on houston that the books are trying to get even money by creating a mirage with line movement.

    Houston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suicidekings View Post
    Opponents averaging 23 completions (109th) on 38 attempts (111th) for 278 passing yards per game (107th). That makes them one of the worst pass defenses in the country.
    No, it doesn't. They've played extremely good passing teams, and teams that play fast and extend the game. You need to look at stats like yards per pass play and factor in the quality of the passing oeffenses Tulsa faced.

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    1st possession Houston - Punt
    1st possession Tulsa - TD

    The over 154.5 looks good too !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARVEL View Post
    How is being ranked 107th in pass defense a little above average? That is below average and I'm sure everyone else agrees.
    Tulsa isn't ranked 107th in pass defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.W. View Post
    Tulsa isn't ranked 107th in pass defense.
    Their ranked 103rd in pass defense
    Last edited by FaM0us Skins; 11-25-11 at 11:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaM0us Skins View Post
    Their ranked 103th in pass defense
    I looked at the info on bodog...guess it was not up to date. 103 or 107, either way it is bad. Houston was money in the bank!

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