[shari91]

Shari, if you're lucky enough to be at a table when the shooter holds the dice say for 45mins-Hr you'll find it is NOTHING like War or Let it Ride.

I believe you. I've had a blast quite a few times playing and somehow made cash in the process (I think, anyways ). But it's just not one of those games I think to go play. It sounds like I'll have to make more of an effort though.

[Sam Odom]

The first time I heard the old gambling slogan "turn a toothpick into a lumber yard" was at a craps table inside the Horseshoe 30yrs ago

BTW-- the story about this guy who won (had in his possession) all of the green chips at the Horseshoe is true and was done on a craps table

[smoke a bowl]

You can easily scope out a table. Just stand and watch or bet the minimum to see what's hitting more then others and what's not. For example the other night everybody kept hitting 7 after the point was established. So I rode the don't pass since nobody could hit their point or get 1 point consecutively. So I rode the wave of 7 and outs.

I can dig it. So no flashing lights though huh? I'd feel better about it if I were getting a confirmation from the table itself that it was hot rather than my simple eye test of a few samples. Here's to hoping for flashing dice tables in the future.

[TheCentaur]

haha former degen maybe...

I've only ever played it when I was at a bricks and mortar casino purely to have a good time. It's one of those games to me that you just walk by with your friends and decide to throw money on because everyone looks like they're having fun. Kind of like War or Let it Ride.

Whatever, I found some casino surveillance of you playing craps under your alias "Ginger"...

[sportsguy04]

Just ask the dealers they will tell ya how the tables been.

[TEXAS MICKEY]

Craps is the ONLY game in town to play. Dark side Is the ONLY side to play. Fukk a bunch whiners here saying it's even both ways. The ONLY time you are exposed is on the come out roll and if your playing in a 5, 10, or 100 times the odds table, then you are really only giving up the line wager.
In fact, the don't side wagers at a crap table are the only wagers, that the house will let you pick up your bets in the middle of a roll, no questions asked and will be glad to take them down for you. No decision is made. Odds must be tilted to the dark side b/c they damn sure will not let you pick up your pass line wager.

[Roadtrip635]

Hmmm, so are you saying that you kinda know when a table is hot or cold or are you saying it was pure random luck? I just want to learn when the right times to play pass and don't pass are myself.

You can tell when a shooter or table is hot, there will be a big crowd around the table, everyone is yelling and high-fiving each other, big stacks on all the points, extra casino mangers and pit bosses walking around the table. Nothing like it.

[Sam Odom]

Texas Mickey , the free odds are irrelevant as to betting do/dont

Of course the casino will let you pick-up the chips on the donts AFTER the C-O roll

[smoke a bowl]

Just ask the dealers they will tell ya how the tables been.

I wonder what makes the dice more likely to roll 7 at any given time.

[smoke a bowl]

You can tell when a shooter or table is hot, there will be a big crowd around the table, everyone is yelling and high-fiving each other, big stacks on all the points, extra casino mangers and pit bosses walking around the table. Nothing like it.

I understand how to tell when a hot streak is in progress. However I am struggling with the concept of being able to predict that the hot streak will continue going forward.

[Sam Odom]

You can tell when a shooter or table is hot, there will be a big crowd around the table, everyone is yelling and high-fiving each other, big stacks on all the points, extra casino mangers and pit bosses walking around the table.

So all of that will change the 6/36 odds of a SEVEN (7 Out) on the next roll if you are new to the table?

[HotStreak]

Craps is the ONLY game in town to play. Dark side Is the ONLY side to play. Fukk a bunch whiners here saying it's even both ways. The ONLY time you are exposed is on the come out roll and if your playing in a 5, 10, or 100 times the odds table, then you are really only giving up the line wager.
In fact, the don't side wagers at a crap table are the only wagers, that the house will let you pick up your bets in the middle of a roll, no questions asked and will be glad to take them down for you. No decision is made. Odds must be tilted to the dark side b/c they damn sure will not let you pick up your pass line wager.

Don't see how the advantage of a seven coming out more frequently after the come out helps you playing 5 10 or 100 times odds, when you have to lay the odds on your don't pass and don't come. Your line bet is at an advantage after surviving the come out that is why they will let you pick it up. The odds mean nothing on either side of the pass line. They reflect the math. Winning 6 to 5 on 6 or 8 for the pass odds or laying 6 to 5 on 6 or 8 for the don't pass.

The game is set up with a house edge on all bets. Playing the PASS is a lot more fun for most people. DONT bettors get buried regularly too.

[smoke a bowl]

Craps is the ONLY game in town to play. Dark side Is the ONLY side to play. Fukk a bunch whiners here saying it's even both ways. The ONLY time you are exposed is on the come out roll and if your playing in a 5, 10, or 100 times the odds table, then you are really only giving up the line wager.
In fact, the don't side wagers at a crap table are the only wagers, that the house will let you pick up your bets in the middle of a roll, no questions asked and will be glad to take them down for you. No decision is made. Odds must be tilted to the dark side b/c they damn sure will not let you pick up your pass line wager.

Wow!!!! So you are saying that all I have to do is send it in on the don't pass and rake in the doe re mi? Smells fishy cap, that's all I'm sayin.

[smoke a bowl]

Don't see how the advantage of a seven coming out more frequently after the come out helps you playing 5 10 or 100 times odds, when you have to lay the odds on your don't pass and don't come. Your line bet is at an advantage after surviving the come out that is why they will let you pick it up. The odds mean nothing on either side of the pass line. They reflect the math. Winning 6 to 5 on 6 or 8 for the pass odds or laying 6 to 5 on 6 or 8 for the don't pass.

The game is set up with a house edge on all bets. Playing the PASS is a lot more fun for most people. DONT bettors get buried regularly too.

All my hopes and dreams are now buried with this post. Thanks for the dose of reality pal. I had just put my shoes on to head to the craps table and then i get hit with this bomb. FML.

[HotStreak]

All my hopes and dreams are now buried with this post. Thanks for the dose of reality pal. I had just put my shoes on to head to the craps table and then i get hit with this bomb. FML.

Fuk that. Keep your shoes on. Craps is a blast.

[Waterstpub87]

I wonder what makes the dice more likely to roll 7 at any given time.

Simple math.

[Roadtrip635]

So all of that will change the 6/36 odds of a SEVEN (7 Out) on the next roll if you are new to the table?

Of course the odds don't change and I don't know what the odds of someone rolling for 45 minutes without crapping out are, but I've been on those tables and want to be on those odds defying tables again.

[smoke a bowl]

Simple math.

Cmon mayn.

[TEXAS MICKEY]

So all of that will change the 6/36 odds of a SEVEN (7 Out) on the next roll if you are new to the table?

Don't see how the advantage of a seven coming out more frequently after the come out helps you playing 5 10 or 100 times odds, when you have to lay the odds on your don't pass and don't come. Your line bet is at an advantage after surviving the come out that is why they will let you pick it up. The odds mean nothing on either side of the pass line. They reflect the math. Winning 6 to 5 on 6 or 8 for the pass odds or laying 6 to 5 on 6 or 8 for the don't pass. The game is set up with a house edge on all bets. Playing the PASS is a lot more fun for most people. DONT bettors get buried regularly too.

Simple math.

THIS...........Sam got it.
There are 36 combinations of the dice and what number has the most combinations????????????
6 and 8 are the dead man numbers for the don't player. I have played both pass and don't at the same time and if the point comes 6 or 8, I pick up my don't bet and play as right bettor. 4 or 10 come out, I don't really care about my flat pass line bet and then hammer the shit out of the don't back line odds.

[HotStreak]

THIS...........Sam got it.
There are 36 combinations of the dice and what number has the most combinations????????????
6 and 8 are the dead man numbers for the don't player. I have played both pass and don't at the same time and if the point comes 6 or 8, I pick up my don't bet and play as right bettor. 4 or 10 come out, I don't really care about my flat pass line bet and then hammer the shit out of the don't back line odds.

So lets say you are playing at a 10x odds table and you bet both the PASS and DONT for $10. The point comes out a 4. You max out the DONT PASS odds meaning you have to lay $200 behind the line to win $100. A 4 can come out 3 out of 36 ways(3-1, 1-3, and 2-2) as you pointed out a 7 can come out 6 of 36 ways (1-6,2-5,3-4,4-3,5-2,6-1). That leaves the mathematical odds of a four hitting compared to a 7 at 2 to 1. Your odds are gaining you nothing on the DONT SIDE as you are paying 2 to win 1.

Your PASS and DONT PASS line bets both have a negative expectation, and your odds bets are neutral; therefore, your overall bet because it includes a line bet that is at a disadvantage on either side(DO or DONT) is at a disadvantage, albeit a small one compared to most bets on the table.

You gain nothing from being a DONT bettor. It's a matter of preference. House has edge either way.

[Albert Pujols]

This thread is like Borat or Bruno movie. Retards getting baited and have no clue. Hilarious.

[jose21_us]

I always love the shooter that plays the dont's. He is trying to 7 out so bad that he almost all the time hits everything but the 7.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Can't everyone at the table all just bet the don't pass? Would be pretty funny to play/watch

[oChRoNiCo]

THIS...........Sam got it.
There are 36 combinations of the dice and what number has the most combinations????????????
6 and 8 are the dead man numbers for the don't player. I have played both pass and don't at the same time and if the point comes 6 or 8, I pick up my don't bet and play as right bettor. 4 or 10 come out, I don't really care about my flat pass line bet and then hammer the shit out of the don't back line odds.

This makes no sense! Ok so you play Don't Pass you beat the come out roll and pick up your net because point is 6 or 8??? That is just plain stupidity ok you are getting true odds regardless of the point! However on your even money flat wager you have a decided edge after beating the come out roll! Even if the point is 6 or 8 you are still getting paid even $ on your flat bet and have 6 ways to win with a 7 and only 5 ways to lose with a 6 or an 8 so why in the **** would you ever pick up your bet just stupidity the only reason they let you pick up the bet is because it is in their best interest for you to do so! That's why the call the odds in craps the best bet in the house they are all TRUE ODDS BETS! You are getting paid based on the probability of each number vrs the 7. Even if you believe the shooter is going to roll a point and you are on the don't pass you should never pick up your flat wager pick up the odds if you are scared or better yet don't even play the damn game because you Sir are a MORON!

[TheMoneyShot]

I just don't understand the rules... and don't understand what the hell is going on at the table? F'ing sucks sometimes..

[Killer_Demo]

i only play pass line with odds when I am the shooter...nothing better than taking out a dont better when your hitting points all night.

[sweethook]

Don't be that guy. Everyone loses their ass playing craps but at least have fun with your boys while drinking and hollering.

do that befor and after the game

[smoke a bowl]

THIS...........Sam got it.
There are 36 combinations of the dice and what number has the most combinations????????????
6 and 8 are the dead man numbers for the don't player. I have played both pass and don't at the same time and if the point comes 6 or 8, I pick up my don't bet and play as right bettor. 4 or 10 come out, I don't really care about my flat pass line bet and then hammer the shit out of the don't back line odds.

This is phukin classic. I'd sure like to book this action as well as all dice action but w/o doubt I want to book this strategy.

[Ch Br]

Don't be that guy..

Because everyone HATES TO BE THE GUY TO MAKE THE CONSISTANT MONEY!!!!!

[Ch Br]

This makes no sense! Ok so you play Don't Pass you beat the come out roll and pick up your net because point is 6 or 8??? That is just plain stupidity ok you are getting true odds regardless of the point! However on your even money flat wager you have a decided edge after beating the come out roll! Even if the point is 6 or 8 you are still getting paid even $ on your flat bet and have 6 ways to win with a 7 and only 5 ways to lose with a 6 or an 8 so why in the **** would you ever pick up your bet just stupidity the only reason they let you pick up the bet is because it is in their best interest for you to do so! That's why the call the odds in craps the best bet in the house they are all TRUE ODDS BETS! You are getting paid based on the probability of each number vrs the 7. Even if you believe the shooter is going to roll a point and you are on the don't pass you should never pick up your flat wager pick up the odds if you are scared or better yet don't even play the damn game because you Sir are a MORON!

While Chronic is completely correct that the only number the DONT player has to sweat is the come out roll, and then the odds switch to favor the dont after the point is established [especially for random rollers] I wouldnt go so far as to call Texas Mickey a Moron... actually not even close...This ACTUALLY makes sense if you look at it from a stand point of completely Maximizing odds and limiting exposure.....

but before i continue, let me make a disclaimer to say that i woudlnt play both sides that small ball beyond small ball... so my comments are basically aimed at commiting to the DARK SIDE mainly:

since the 4/10 have the best odds for the DONT he takes full advantage. [even though he has to lay 2 to 1] because those points hit at a 3/36 rate 8.3%..... so he has a decidedly higher margin on any roll...

That being said i have been cleaned out on 4's and 10's in a night betting 200-400 each and losing 5 in a row. Even the crew was shaking their heads because this RARELY happens. But if youve played enough dice like i have, you have to understand those are the swings and if youre gonna simply get pissed off at mathematics then you shouldnt play at all....

The true beauty of the dont is the player can ALWAYS choose exactly how much exposure you have over time; as opposed to the Pass line, where a placed bet can never be taken down....

This is a LONG HAUL methodology of betting, but it is solely based on a conservative and highly disciplined bankroll management scheme....

@Chronic: I see it both ways becaue i can emplore both strats based on the tableplay/shooter.... but that in, and of itself, takes time to understand

[tb1984]

Because everyone HATES TO BE THE GUY TO MAKE THE CONSISTANT MONEY!!!!!

"Making consistent money" and casino don't go together. Eventually, you will lose just like when you play "pass" and "come" lines, but for me it's not fun to play "don't pass" line.

[Ch Br]

"Making consistent money" and casino don't go together. Eventually, you will lose just like when you play "pass" and "come" lines, but for me it's not fun to play "don't pass" line.

TB you tell me,

who makes money more consistently.. the house [the dont] or the players [the pass]?

personal preference "i dont like" has ZERO to do with it. Its about the mathmetics of winning.

IF you had a decided mathletical edge in betting EVERY SPORT, wouldnt you Exploit it to no end???????

[tb1984]

Ok, you tell me who makes living just by playing "don't" in craps. So, you said that you have mathematical edge in playing "don't"?

[Sam Odom]

who makes money more consistently.. the house [the dont] or the players [the pass]?

there is this little thing called 'bar 12' (or bar 2)

[Ch Br]

yea im FULLY aware of the pushes/instant losses on both pass and dont pass sides