guarantee this wont go the distance. grab that prop. shields claims he wants to show off his AJA, but thats a sack of shit
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10-19-10 10:58 PM #36
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10-20-10 02:55 AM #37
Cant see either knocking out the other and their BJJ should neutalize eachothers, not sure it's guaranteed it wont go the distance.
Originally Posted by spargament
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10-20-10 01:11 PM #38
I agree with Vaughany
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10-20-10 01:25 PM #39
Shields has finished 8 of his last 10 fights. If that's lay and pray, he isn't very good at it. His finish percentage is identical to Anderson Silva's during their most recent ten fights. Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
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10-20-10 01:31 PM #40
I agree, Shields lay n pray label is wrong, however I don't envisage him finishing Kampmann. Originally Posted by KCJMAC
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10-20-10 01:50 PM #41
Originally Posted by KCJMAC
that holds water until you look at who he actually finished those 8 times. When he faces good competition he goes to his breadnbutter which is not a bad thing.Last edited by brooks85; 10-20-10 at 01:55 PM.
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10-20-10 02:21 PM #42
I'm not convinced. He fought the best guys outside of the UFC including:
Robbie Lawlor (19-6) was the EliteXC champ when Shields choked him out in the first round.
Paul Daley (25-9) was in a Number 1 contender match with Koschek in the UFC 18 months after Shields arm-barred him.
Mike Pyle (20-7) just ran over undefeated John Hathaway last Saturday at UFC 120. Pyle has 16 wins by submission. Shields choked him out in the first round.
Nick Thompson (38-13) was on a 12 fight win streak when Shields choked him out in the first round.
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10-20-10 02:38 PM #43
Those guys are no where near the best outside the ufc, pyle is legit tho. Lawler and daley are identical one dimensional fighters and Daley just lost his last fight tho judges gave it to him for some reason?
And nick thompson is laughable win streak doesnt mean anything, it is who you beat.Last edited by brooks85; 10-20-10 at 02:42 PM.
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10-20-10 02:46 PM #44
jake shields is also a one dimensional fighter as soon as he gets punched and martin will hit him and jake will take him down.
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10-20-10 04:32 PM #45
When a guy is on a six year streak and hes this motivated for a fight against someone who can be considered one of his avereage opponents, I think you'll see value until -350/400
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10-20-10 04:37 PM #46
ha who considers Martin Kampmann an average opponent??? Originally Posted by supershark
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10-20-10 06:04 PM #47
Originally Posted by KCJMAC
i tend to agree...you`d be whistling past the graveyard if you`re underestimating shields` recent wins...or his grappling....
his grappling is on an elite level...i`d say top 5 in mma....without question...
and that`s without a hint of a respectable stand-up game....
his grappling is incredible....kampmann`s(who i happen to love as a fighter) is just very good...`Last edited by rocky mattioli; 10-20-10 at 06:40 PM.
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10-20-10 06:17 PM #48
Originally Posted by Vaughany;69***59
ha who considers Martin Kampmann an average opponent???
right here
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10-20-10 06:22 PM #49
I think Jake is an amazing grappler and props to him for what he has accomplished. But this list isn't very convincing as an elite list of competition. Originally Posted by KCJMAC
-Thompson had one notable win against Alvarez during that streak, a 155lb fighter. He was also studying for his BAR exam at the exact time of his training camp and made no secrets about the fact that it took up a lot of his time heading into that fight.
-Pyle was 3-2 going into that fight with Shields with losses to the likes of Horwich and Rory Markham. This match was before he took up residence at Xtreme Couture and turned his career around.
-Daley has no grappling ability whatsoever as shown in the fight you mentioned vs. Koscheck. Sure he has power, but get your arms around him and hes as good as done.
-Lawler has always struggled against any grappler he has faced. Diaz, Tanner, Miller and Sobral are his other losses - all guys who are much stronger grapplers than him. Not to mention he dove head first into a guillotine in the Shields fight.
Like I said, I think Shields is amazing at what he is good at, grappling. I actually think he has much better wins against Condit and Okami rather than the list that was rattle off. He could easily control this fight once he gets inside and gets this fight to the ground for 3 rounds. I just don't buy into the fact that he has faced elite level competition over the past 3 years - many of these bouts were tailormade for his style. He can do a lot for himself with a impressive win vs. Kampmann who is the toughest competition he has faced since 2006.
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10-20-10 06:51 PM #50
kc and ecco neglected to mention mayhem miller....who apparently,is underrated because of his shenanigans...
i don`t underrate him...
he is no joke.....matter of fact,although maybe not as well rounded,my money would be on miller over kampmann in a submission grappling match...
not saying that kampmann doesn`t have a chance vs shields......he is live vs ANYONE at 170/185....
just that shields has been on a dominating,incredible run...and success breeds success...
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10-20-10 07:32 PM #51
mayhem is definitely quality comp, the bell saved shields from getting submitted by him in the third
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