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    MMA MANIA write ups coming in - Prelims





    145 lbs.: Gilbert Melendez vs. Arnold Allen

    Gilbert Melendez (22-7) came agonizingly close to becoming the first Strikeforce champion to claim a UFC title, only to come out on the wrong end of a split decision against Benson Henderson. “El Nino” followed that up with a ludicrously entertaining victory over Diego Sanchez, but has yet to taste victory since, losing his next four bouts.
    This will be his first fight since Sept. 2017.
    Arnold Allen (14-1) pulled off a bonus-winning comeback submission of Alan Omer to kick off his UFC career, which has seen him go perfect (5-0) over four years. His run includes another impressive comeback finish of Brazilian jiu-jitsu standout Mads Burnell, which earned him his second Performance of the Night bonus.
    “Almighty” will give up two inches of height and three inches of reach to Melendez.
    If I knew for certain that Melendez would fight to the best of his abilities, I’d pick him in a heartbeat. Allen has struggled with takedown defense before and “El Nino” is an expert at blending his wrestling with his striking. Unfortunately, Melendez hasn’t hit a takedown in more than four years and has struggled to consistently bring it to the mat since making the move from Strikeforce.
    Melendez could still win this on the strength of his jab, especially considering his height and reach advantages. The odds are definitely too wide at the moment, but a young, red-hot Allen looks like a likelier victor than an aging Melendez (especially when Jeremy Stephens and Edson Barboza revealed an easy path to victory via leg kicks). Allen outworks him on the feet to take a competitive decision.
    Prediction: Allen via unanimous decision
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    135 lbs.: Marlon Vera vs. Nohelin Hernandez

    A standout on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF): “Latin America” who had to withdraw with a skin infection, Marlon Vera (13-5) has won six of eight since opening his Octagon career 1-2. His current three-fight win streak has seen him score finishes of Wuliji Buren, Guido Cannetti and Frankie Saenz.
    He has submitted seven opponents and knocked out another four.
    Nohelin Hernandez (10-2) — who is 6-1 in his last seven and currently riding his own four-fight win streak — picking up wins in Tachi Palace Fights, Bellator, and LFA. The American Kickboxing Academy product, whom Tapologi lists as one of the top Bantamweights outside the UFC, stands two inches taller than Vera at 5’10.”
    He replaces two-time United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) victim Sean O’Malley on four days’ notice.
    I expected Vera to have all kinds of issues with O’Malley, but beating Hernandez seems more doable. “Suave” is a decent, lengthy boxer burdened with subpar striking defense and a tendency to get dropped. Vera, on the other hand, has never been stopped or even visibly hurt by fearsome punchers like John Lineker and Douglas Andrade.
    “Chito’s” more versatile striking attack and submission skills make it hard to envision Hernandez successfully staying on his feet for 15 minutes. Vera drops him early and chokes him out soon after.
    Prediction: Vera via first-round submission
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    115 lbs.: Claudia Gadelha vs. Randa Markos

    Claudia Gadelha (16-4) put her second loss to Joanna Jerdzejczyk behind her with a pair of dominant victories, including a bonus-winning submission of Karolina Kowalkiewicz. She has since lost two of three, a split decision over Carla Esparza sandwiched between decision losses to Jessica Andrade and Nina Ansaroff.
    Seven of her nine stoppage wins have come by submission.
    Randa Markos (9-6-1) has yet to taste consecutive victories in her 11-fight Octagon career, going 5-5-1 over her 4.5-year run. Her last two fights have seen her battle prospect Marina Rodriguez to a draw and submit Angela Hill with an armbar to earn “Performance of the Night.”
    All four of her professional finishes have come by armbar.
    You know, I really thought Gadelha would have moved to Flyweight by now. She’s got one of the best-rounded skillsets in the women’s divisions, but can only execute for seven or eight minutes before her cardio issues force her into survival mode until the final bell. It’s a distressingly predictable pattern, one more and more opponents are taking advantage of.
    Still, she’s the better boxer and wrestler of the two, and Markos is inconsistent as they come. Expect a traditional Gadelha fight as she dominates the first round, arguably takes the second, then loses the third to set up a split decision.
    Prediction: Gadelha via split decision
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    135 lbs.: Alejandro Perez vs. Song Yadong

    The guillotine loss Alejandro Perez (21-7-1) suffered at the hands of Patrick Williams in his second Octagon appearance gave way to a seven-fight unbeaten streak that saw him beat the likes of Iuri Alcantara and Eddie Wineland. His run came to an end at the hands of Cody Stamann, who stepped in for the injured Song Yadong (13-3) on short notice to beat Perez by decision at UFC 235.
    He has knocked out nine professional opponents and submitted another five.
    Team Alpha Males’s Song, who turns 22 this upcoming December, got off to a red-hot UFC start with bonus-winning finishes of Bharat Khandare and Felipe Arantes. A subsequent decision over Vince Morales set up a March bout with Perez, only for Song to pull out with a knee injury.
    He stands two inches taller than “Turbo” at 5’8,” though both have 67-inch reaches.
    I’ve long since given up on trying to analyze Perez — dodgy decisions aside, he keeps finding ways to win despite having a well-rounded but unmemorable fight style. Heck, he doesn’t even lose like he’s supposed to. I picked Stamann to beat him on the strength of the former’s wrestling, but Perez wound up losing a three-round decision without surrendering a takedown.
    Obnoxious.
    Song looks to be the faster of the two by a fair margin and, despite having fewer finishes to his credit, is likely the more aggressive as well, setting him up to outwork Perez and connect with more eye-catching shots. So long as he can maintain his output from bell to bell, he should be able to land more telling blows and ultimately walk away with a clear decision.
    Prediction: Song via unanimous decision


    185 lbs.: Jack Marshman vs. Edmen Shahbazyan

    Jack Marshman (23-8) started strong in the Octagon with an upset stoppage of Magnus Cedenblad, earning “Performance of the Night” along the way, but went on to lose three of his next four bouts. Though he literally had to go AWOL to do it, he got back on track in March with a split decision over fellow Welshman John Phillips in London.
    “Hammer” stands two inches shorter than Edmen Shahbazyan (9-0) at 6’0.”
    Shahbazyan — representing Edmund Tarverdyan’s Glendale Fighting Club — punched his UFC ticket with a 40-second stoppage of Antonio Jones on “Contender Series.” He settled for a split decision over Darren Stewart in his UFC debut, but got back to his finishing ways by stopping Charles Byrd in 38 seconds.
    Eight of his nine victories have come via first-round (technical) knockout.
    In a pure striking battle, Marshman could likely outlast Shahbazyan and do some real damage once the GFC rep started to fade. Unfortunately for him, Shahbazyan showed against Stewart that he’s ready, willing, and able to lean on his wrestling if needed.
    Tough as Marshman is, grit won’t compensate for the technical deficiencies in his takedown defense.
    Shahbazyan will have to keep his wits about him for all 15 minutes against the iron-tough Welshman, but the ability to take it to the ground whenever things get hairy should keep him out of danger. Expect a few good exchanges on the feet before Shahbazyan acknowledges Marshman’s durability and cruises to victory from top position.
    Prediction: Shahbazyan via unanimous decision
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    170 lbs.: Ismail Naurdiev vs. Chance Rencountre

    Ismail Naurdiev (18-2) entered the UFC with 13 wins in his previous 14 bouts, among them a body kick finish of UFC veteran Benny Alloway and a wheel kick knockout. “The Austrian Wonderboy” stepped up on short notice against Brazilian powerhouse Michel Prazeres, surviving “Trator’s” grappling onslaught to take home a unanimous decision.
    The victory was his first decision win since his professional debut, as he’s knocked out 11 foes and submitted another five.
    Shortly after avenging his lone Bellator loss, Chance Rencountre (13-3)stepped up on late notice to face Belal Muhammad last June, dropping a unanimous decision to “Remember the Name.” He entered his sophomore effort against Kyle Stewart as the underdog, only to choke out “Gunz Up” midway through the first round.
    “Black Eagle” will have two inches of height and an inch of reach on Naurdiev.
    Honestly, this just looks like a somewhat less challenging version of Naurdiev’s debut. Rencountre is taller and rangier than Prazeres, but lacks the Brazilian’s explosive boxing or suffocating top game. “Black Eagle” doesn’t have the technical wrestling to get through Naurdiev’s takedown defense and is far too hittable to survive against a power striker of this caliber.
    Had this fight taken place before Naurdiev’s debut, I’d have likely picked Rencountre after seeing Naurdiev struggle against a basic pressure fighter in Ismael De Jesus. Now that I know “The Austrian Wonderboy” can handle quality wrestling, it’s hard to see him losing this. He clips Rencountre with a nasty flurry sometime in the first round.
    Prediction: Naurdiev via first-round knockout
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    135 lbs.: Julia Avila vs. Pannie Kianzad

    Julia Avila (6-1) defeated the likes of Marion Reneau and Nicco Montano en route to her Invicta debut, which saw her suffer a compound fracture in her finger while blocking a kick from future The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) competitor Marciea Allen. She’s since rebounded with a pair of knockouts, raising her career total to three.
    She’ll have a three-inch reach advantage over “Banzai.”
    Pannie Kianzad (11-4) ended her Invicta tenure on a winless (0-3) skid, but fought her way to the finals of TUF 28 as a Featherweight. Though she tapped to current top prospect Macy Chiasson, Kianzad returned to the win column in May with a decision over Iony Razafiarison in her native Sweden.
    She steps in for the injured Melissa Gatto on two weeks’ notice.
    Next to Chiasson, who’s just a beast, Avila is the most interesting addition to the women’s Bantamweight roster in some time. She’s a crazy-aggressive, swarming puncher with legitimate power and a downright nasty clinch assault. She’s already beaten two current members of the roster and only lost because her finger bone was literally sticking out of her skin.
    Kianzad, though a strong striker in her own right, looks to be on the wrong end of the speed advantage and isn’t as crisp in close quarters. Her key weapon will likely be her wrestling, which is something I haven’t seen Avila have to deal with. As much of an unknown as that interaction is, considering Avila’s upside, the short notice, and Kianzad’s historical struggle with the Bantamweight limit, it’s hard to pick against the new girl. She swarms Kianzad for a late finish.
    Prediction: Avila via second-round technical knockout

    Current UFC “Prelims” Prediction Record for 2019: 88-45

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    Risky bet here i think. Rockhold has a very bad attitude, bad defence, perhaps bad chin. Blachowichz is also a good striker.

    Rockhold at his best is perhaps as good as Jon Jones, so its not a skill thing, its 100% mental.

    Talking about title fights...can be Bisping fight all over again.

    Im making a small bet on Rockhold myself, but its is with hedge, and i have very little confidence in this bet. But i have to make it, because rockhold should win...but....hes not trustworthy
    He's not a powerful striker.

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    Only way I see Blacho winning is POSSIBLY late 3rd when/if Rockhold gasses completely....otherwise Rockhold should work him ITD....
    Quote Originally Posted by Enfuego View Post
    He's not a powerful striker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperTrail07 View Post
    Only way I see Blacho winning is POSSIBLY late 3rd when/if Rockhold gasses completely....otherwise Rockhold should work him ITD....
    100% agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Great style matchup for him. I think the only way Rockhold loses is by KO and that’s an easy hedge at (+550)
    I made that hedge as well....sweeet hedge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfuego View Post
    He's not a powerful striker.
    No no no....Dont agree with that perspective at all. The important factor to look at in MMA is the person with weak chin. When a person gets a weak chin, everyone will be a potential threat, especially after 35 +. Pointing to a person as not a "powerful striker" holds water if the person has a strong chin, or a normal chin. But that theory goes to hell when a person displays poor defence or chin, like Luke Rockhold.

    Hes chinny, Bisping and Branch are not Ngannou type of strykers, badly hurt Rockhold. Hurt that arrogant prick easily, so be careful enfuego!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperTrail07 View Post
    Only way I see Blacho winning is POSSIBLY late 3rd when/if Rockhold gasses completely....otherwise Rockhold should work him ITD....
    Rockhold has a big cardio advantage. If someone gasses, it's not going to be him. Blachowicz not so much. Laid on the ground for several minutes after getting mauled in the wrestling/grappling by Corey Anderson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    No no no....Dont agree with that perspective at all. The important factor to look at in MMA is the person with weak chin. When a person gets a weak chin, everyone will be a potential threat, especially after 35 +. Pointing to a person as not a "powerful striker" holds water if the person has a strong chin, or a normal chin. But that theory goes to hell when a person displays poor defence or chin, like Luke Rockhold.

    Hes chinny, Bisping and Branch are not Ngannou type of strykers, badly hurt Rockhold. Hurt that arrogant prick easily, so be careful enfuego!
    Yup. Rockhold chinny but better skillwise in all phases, especially grappling and top game. If he loses it's by KO and probably early (all of his career losses are by R1 KO). Easy hedge on that with a big play on Rockhold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Yup. Rockhold chinny but better skillwise in all phases, especially grappling and top game. If he loses it's by KO and probably early (all of his career losses are by R1 KO). Easy hedge on that with a big play on Rockhold.
    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Yup. Rockhold chinny but better skillwise in all phases, especially grappling and top game. If he loses it's by KO and probably early (all of his career losses are by R1 KO). Easy hedge on that with a big play on Rockhold.
    Its probably correct...i didnt think about that. Its very typical for good fighters, they loose by KO early or win by total domination otherwise.

    And now its too late hehe.....

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    alright i just got done watching 4 askren fights + his lawler fight twice and then masvidal's fight with maia.

    aside from tailing hugo now on rockhold, my biggest bet was going to be on Askren this weekend. around $2050 to win $1000 with my bookie. in the beginning backed by a few things, first off my heart. I love askren, i like his humor and his trolling and how he gets under everyones skin. i like seeing undefeated fighters stay undefeated, i like when a fighters skill set in one thing is so strong they can dominate everyone (usually has to be wrestling) along with his dad bod its just amazing to me. as well as all my friends being gay for masvidal (who i do like, him punching edwards confirmed everything i like about him - absolute dog) but they all hate askren so naturally I'm going the opposite way and I'm repping askren in a big way. but also the quick analysis that if askren gets mas to the ground its over. i guess thats the simple way of putting it but so much more factors obviously. i wanted to really sit back and think before betting, i wanted to make sure i wasn't betting with my heart. my friends as well as others here point out the maia fight as a key measurement on masvidals ground game/defense. I've watched it 2x since the fight was announced and again today after the askren fights. i say maia won round 1 and 3 and could split round 2 either way but i really watched what maia was going for and masvidals answers. maia is a back specialist, aside from being a 4th degree jj belt he almost always tries and finishes from the back. the fights i saw askren in he never attempts to take the back (first time i saw it was vs lawler) he's obviously super pressure oriented and actually has very high output with his strikes when he's on top. he goes for crucifixes, strikes, and as you try and weasel out he goes for arm triangles. this is so different from maia's game plan on top. he hardly striked when being on top, even his fight this past weekend i think he prefers control and slowly tries to cinch in the chokes - that leads to usually "boring" fights. but more so i believe its way different than what askren brings to the table. i think the pressure is going to be insane, and some fights at One askren is fighting absolute juice heads. one that actually had a wrestling base and surprisingly took askren down immediately which askren popped back up, reversed it, and finished with a sub shortly after. another was undefeated and had a heavy wrestling background as well, and again subbed. askren mentioned sparring with the masvidal in the past and i believe he said "he's just one of those guys where it felt like they weren't strong, you can do whatever you want as you please." not word for word but something along those lines, i don't know if anyone rolls in here I'm just a purple belt in jj but I've sparred mma and wrestled a bit and there is something to say about wrestling pressure compared to jj pressure. factor in olympic caliber pressure, and again of course maia brought pressure and has some of the best jj in the game but i think they're bringing in 2 completely different gameplans. i also saw askren shoot for a TD and get absolutely wrecked with a knee but held onto the leg for the takedown. the lawler suplex was a 50/50 position and i don't think askren expected lawler to go for that and dunk him on his head, which i don't think thats even a factor. another is maia's shots, masvidal sprawled all day on him so again naturally people are aiming towards the idea that mas can stuff the takedowns but so many come from askren getting in the clinch and being patient. a lot more easier to telegraph, but a lot harder to stop. i just believe theres levels to the ground obviously but its also what the ground fighter brings offensively. obviously gamebred can ko askren here but i find it extremely unlikely, i can see him opening with a lot of leg kicks but askren will close the distance. jorge is more boxing based and less likely to throw a flying knee in response to a shot and askren chains the TD attempts so good. i know people who train in here know what he is talking about when you're rolling with someone and you can feel the strength difference, where you know you can do as you please i feel you can take a lot from that (and the colby vids of him wrestling mas ) because even if that was 2011/12 that is so hard to flip and become dominant or more than able to defend someone that has olympic caliber wrestling.
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    On Askren as well. GL, Strict

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    Very nice breakdown SPP!

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    nice JBIBBY 88/133 equals 0.67 or 67 per cent cool profit there

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    Quick thoughts:

    Perez/Song looks like a closer fight than odds indicate to me... but I do think Song wins. He’d be best to avoid going for TDs IMO.

    Askren/Masvidal is tricky. It’s not as simple as watching Maia/Masvidal and calling it a day. Even watching a lot of fights of each guy you’re still left guessing a bit. I think we might see Masvidal’s kicks play a big role. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strictlypaypal View Post
    alright i just got done watching 4 askren fights + his lawler fight twice and then masvidal's fight with maia.

    aside from tailing hugo now on rockhold, my biggest bet was going to be on Askren this weekend. around $2050 to win $1000 with my bookie. in the beginning backed by a few things, first off my heart. I love askren, i like his humor and his trolling and how he gets under everyones skin. i like seeing undefeated fighters stay undefeated, i like when a fighters skill set in one thing is so strong they can dominate everyone (usually has to be wrestling) along with his dad bod its just amazing to me. as well as all my friends being gay for masvidal (who i do like, him punching edwards confirmed everything i like about him - absolute dog) but they all hate askren so naturally I'm going the opposite way and I'm repping askren in a big way. but also the quick analysis that if askren gets mas to the ground its over. i guess thats the simple way of putting it but so much more factors obviously. i wanted to really sit back and think before betting, i wanted to make sure i wasn't betting with my heart. my friends as well as others here point out the maia fight as a key measurement on masvidals ground game/defense. I've watched it 2x since the fight was announced and again today after the askren fights. i say maia won round 1 and 3 and could split round 2 either way but i really watched what maia was going for and masvidals answers. maia is a back specialist, aside from being a 4th degree jj belt he almost always tries and finishes from the back. the fights i saw askren in he never attempts to take the back (first time i saw it was vs lawler) he's obviously super pressure oriented and actually has very high output with his strikes when he's on top. he goes for crucifixes, strikes, and as you try and weasel out he goes for arm triangles. this is so different from maia's game plan on top. he hardly striked when being on top, even his fight this past weekend i think he prefers control and slowly tries to cinch in the chokes - that leads to usually "boring" fights. but more so i believe its way different than what askren brings to the table. i think the pressure is going to be insane, and some fights at One askren is fighting absolute juice heads. one that actually had a wrestling base and surprisingly took askren down immediately which askren popped back up, reversed it, and finished with a sub shortly after. another was undefeated and had a heavy wrestling background as well, and again subbed. askren mentioned sparring with the masvidal in the past and i believe he said "he's just one of those guys where it felt like they weren't strong, you can do whatever you want as you please." not word for word but something along those lines, i don't know if anyone rolls in here I'm just a purple belt in jj but I've sparred mma and wrestled a bit and there is something to say about wrestling pressure compared to jj pressure. factor in olympic caliber pressure, and again of course maia brought pressure and has some of the best jj in the game but i think they're bringing in 2 completely different gameplans. i also saw askren shoot for a TD and get absolutely wrecked with a knee but held onto the leg for the takedown. the lawler suplex was a 50/50 position and i don't think askren expected lawler to go for that and dunk him on his head, which i don't think thats even a factor. another is maia's shots, masvidal sprawled all day on him so again naturally people are aiming towards the idea that mas can stuff the takedowns but so many come from askren getting in the clinch and being patient. a lot more easier to telegraph, but a lot harder to stop. i just believe theres levels to the ground obviously but its also what the ground fighter brings offensively. obviously gamebred can ko askren here but i find it extremely unlikely, i can see him opening with a lot of leg kicks but askren will close the distance. jorge is more boxing based and less likely to throw a flying knee in response to a shot and askren chains the TD attempts so good. i know people who train in here know what he is talking about when you're rolling with someone and you can feel the strength difference, where you know you can do as you please i feel you can take a lot from that (and the colby vids of him wrestling mas ) because even if that was 2011/12 that is so hard to flip and become dominant or more than able to defend someone that has olympic caliber wrestling.
    - Largest paragraph ever but excellent write-up! Agree 100%.

    Anyone else considering Askren KO/TKO/DQ and/or Askren submission +400..? Decision seems likely but I have a feeling he is gonna put extra effort into stopping him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBfightlife View Post
    Unfortunately Gilbert about to take another L.

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    Did anyone think Luke Rockhold didn't look sharp in his fight with Yoel Romero? The way people don't look sharp when they don't spar enough. I wonder if Rockhold is suffering negative effects from AKA's legendary "go hard in sparring" routine and is actively trying to limit how much damage he takes in training to preserve what may be a deteriorating body.

    Clueless as to what I'm saying is somewhat true or 100% bullshit. Just throwing this out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperTrail07 View Post
    Oh for sure....I was just impressed with Masvidal vs Maia.....hence I'm thinking he can avoid/stay up vs funky....funky on the feet=loss.....he gets the TD.......I feel mas has decent defense as well....Nunes-I agree.... Both are great fights....
    Completely agree, much more interested in these two fights than Jones vs Santos.

    Fingers crossed for two great fights and well-earned profits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC2008 View Post
    Anyone else considering Askren KO/TKO/DQ and/or Askren submission +400..? Decision seems likely but I have a feeling he is gonna put extra effort into stopping him.
    I wouldn't rule out submission but I'd be surprised if Askren gets the KO/TKO. If there's to be a KO it seems more likely to come from Masvidal, but my money's on Askren. Best of luck with your bets, brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baraldsson View Post
    Completely agree, much more interested in these two fights than Jones vs Santos.

    Fingers crossed for two great fights and well-earned profits!
    You may not think Jones/Santos is a close fight, but how can you not be excited anytime Thiago Santos fights?

    I feel like we will get to see some vintage Jones GnP hellbows again in this one.

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    You simply can’t be as one dimensional as Askren is and have only success at this level. He’s in the biggest of the big leagues and his wrestling easily holds its own but the rest of his game simply doesn’t. His first loss is imminent and it will probably come in spectacular fashion. It almost happened vs Lawler and it wouldn’t even have been a bad stoppage. It could happen this time out, maybe? But if it doesn’t, don’t fool yourselves, it’s coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagdogy View Post
    You simply can’t be as one dimensional as Askren is and have only success at this level. He’s in the biggest of the big leagues and his wrestling easily holds its own but the rest of his game simply doesn’t. His first loss is imminent and it will probably come in spectacular fashion. It almost happened vs Lawler and it wouldn’t even have been a bad stoppage. It could happen this time out, maybe? But if it doesn’t, don’t fool yourselves, it’s coming.
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    On rewatch: Askren's striking defense does look much improved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity Check View Post
    Did anyone think Luke Rockhold didn't look sharp in his fight with Yoel Romero? The way people don't look sharp when they don't spar enough. I wonder if Rockhold is suffering negative effects from AKA's legendary "go hard in sparring" routine and is actively trying to limit how much damage he takes in training to preserve what may be a deteriorating body.

    Clueless as to what I'm saying is somewhat true or 100% bullshit. Just throwing this out there.
    Luke Rockhold can't always be trusted.. He either is dialed in coming into fights and looks like a world beater, or he comes in a little off and tentative and gets dropped.. Still I think you gotta bet him regardless.. He is very talented. His chin can be cracked though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity Check View Post
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    Askren's striking defense does look improved.
    Robbie Lawler was beating the shiiit out of Askren in that last fight, Askren weathered it and won but looked very hitable, even though he got put in a bad ground position.. Masvidal I think has a GOOD chance at the KO personally, I'm gonna hedge it.. Akren by Dec, Mas by KO..

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    1229 Masvidal wins by TKO/KO +325

    This is vid fight highlights, can turn down the gay music... Ben was really getting tagged..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Unfortunately Gilbert about to take another L.
    I took a shot on Gilbert ML and DEC. His boxing looked surprisingly good against Barboza. Hoping his shit performance against Stephens was just due to the leg injuries in Rd1. Lucky for Gil, Allen doesn't kick very much. If Gil hasn't fallen off a cliff yet, his forward pressure and better pocket striking might give Allen some trouble. Allen plants pretty hard to throw and Mads really took advantage of that to land TDs. Gilbert would be wise to do the same. This will be Allen's first fight outside of Europe and I'm hoping it's a letdown spot for him. Enough for me to stab at +320/+515 anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagdogy View Post
    You simply can’t be as one dimensional as Askren is and have only success at this level. He’s in the biggest of the big leagues and his wrestling easily holds its own but the rest of his game simply doesn’t. His first loss is imminent and it will probably come in spectacular fashion. It almost happened vs Lawler and it wouldn’t even have been a bad stoppage. It could happen this time out, maybe? But if it doesn’t, don’t fool yourselves, it’s coming.
    Would you say the same of Khabib?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbozed View Post
    I took a shot on Gilbert ML and DEC. His boxing looked surprisingly good against Barboza. Hoping his shit performance against Stephens was just due to the leg injuries in Rd1. Lucky for Gil, Allen doesn't kick very much. If Gil hasn't fallen off a cliff yet, his forward pressure and better pocket striking might give Allen some trouble. Allen plants pretty hard to throw and Mads really took advantage of that to land TDs. Gilbert would be wise to do the same. This will be Allen's first fight outside of Europe and I'm hoping it's a letdown spot for him. Enough for me to stab at +320/+515 anyway.
    I think he's fallen off a cliff already. 1-5 in the UFC and hasn't won a fight in almost five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    I think he's fallen off a cliff already. 1-5 in the UFC and hasn't won a fight in almost five years.
    And he hasn't fought in the UFC since September of 2017.

    Does it even matter what he did against anyone back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Would you say the same of Khabib?
    again that position robbie slammed askren in was 50/50, askren was comfortable there and i think miscalculated what robbie was willing to risk. i don't think that ever happens again. the fact askren took that much punishment and got back up is pretty incredible. when he got back up even with robbie tagging him you can see robbie fading from the clinch pressure. if that slam never happens askren wins in a route. khabib is better but to call him anything more than one dimensional is a stretch. even usman's route to the title was semi one dimensional until the woodley fight where he showed some good stuff (backed by woodleys fear of the takedown though imo)

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    Rockhold looking super healthy, his leg looks healthy as well... kicks look extremely powerful
    if his chin holds up hes a real contender at 205 imo... going to smoke Jan
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    Quote Originally Posted by firekillex View Post
    Rockhold looking super healthy, his leg looks healthy as well... kicks look extremely powerful
    if his chin holds up hes a real contender at 205 imo... going to smoke Jan
    Accurate

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    his last fight was penetrate 1.5 years ago....his cardio is TBD IMO.....I just mean if it goes grapple city and back and forth......I could see it happening....
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Rockhold has a big cardio advantage. If someone gasses, it's not going to be him. Blachowicz not so much. Laid on the ground for several minutes after getting mauled in the wrestling/grappling by Corey Anderson.

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    100% I really hope he takes a diff approach than smith and just flat attacks....set the pace...
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    You may not think Jones/Santos is a close fight, but how can you not be excited anytime Thiago Santos fights?

    I feel like we will get to see some vintage Jones GnP hellbows again in this one.

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