[shari91]

Floyd was at the Bash location at the exact same time we were. If you doubt that go check out his Insta where he said HR Punta Cana about 30 times.

Half the bashgoers saw his guys as they were the dorks wearing TMT shit. And they flew with me first c from PC to Atlanta. The rest saw Floyd as he did his little dances in the sportsbook that for anyone who'd been there knows exactly where it is.

Again check out his social media shit... he was there for the Super Bowl. He hung out with many for the SB. Very crazy all around

[shari91]

Apparently he's much shorter than me. I'm 5'8.
But he and all of his peeps will say he was there. He came down to the sportsbook but that was the night after the SuperBowl and apparently hes a midgie. Either way, pretty cool we all ended up in the same spot since he was supposed to be at Crown in Melb a day after I left ffs.

[brainfreeze]

mayweather is a great talent, but a major league ducker and it cannot be ignored. please name ONE, just ONE hall of famer boxer in his prime that mayweather beat when said boxer was in his prime. i'll take your answer off the air.

signed,
a boxing fanatic for 32 yrs

Nothing to do with your question but...
What do you think of this guy, my all time favorite...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Ray_Robinson

dont think Floyd would have a chance..

[INVEGA MAN]

Mayweather is a joke and everyone in Vegas knows this

[jtoler]

Read my question again. Was dlh in his prime when he fought him? No. Mosley? No. Canelo? Too young (22) at time of fight. Hatton a hofer? Lmfao. Gatti had already been in too many wars. Diego gets in hall maybe posthumously out of pity for his death.

Your case is weak man. Mayweather carefully picks opponents he can beat due to them being too young or too old or the style plays into his. He wants nothing to do with the amir khans and pacquiao s of the world because they're too fast and he knows they'll out point him and pacman might well use that c power in both hands to ko him

I didnt say all of those guys were in their prime, Corrales, Hatton and Castillo were in their prime though. I wasnt making a case but you havent presented one, in your case you would need to name the prime HOF caliber fighters he "ducked" at who were in the same weight class as him at the time. Lol Amir Khan.

[grease lightnin]

Marvelous Marvin was my grandpa's favorite in the 80 ' s. Good to see someone else share our sentiments on his skills, JJ.

Julio Cesar Chavez would have whooped Mayweather in his prime at 140 in my opinion. Another one of mine and my pops' faves.

[klemopixx]

Hagler in his prime could go toe to toe, outbox, switch from left to right, and dance around the ring better than anyone. Never afraid of a street fight but could out-point the best, he would wear down opponents and take them out when they weakened. One of the smartest fighters ever.

[dfish]

Old time boxing
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=axY9Mb06BX0

[The Kraken]

Hagler in his prime could go toe to toe, outbox, switch from left to right, and dance around the ring better than anyone. Never afraid of a street fight but could out-point the best, he would wear down opponents and take them out when they weakened. One of the smartest fighters ever.

I don't really remember Hagler as much of a dancer. I remember him as a hard headed, heavy handed, keep the pressure on the entire fight type of fighter. I can't recall him being much of a points man.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Marvelous Marvin was my grandpa's favorite in the 80 ' s. Good to see someone else share our sentiments on his skills, JJ.

Julio Cesar Chavez would have whooped Mayweather in his prime at 140 in my opinion. Another one of mine and my pops' faves.

[jtoler]

Marvelous Marvin was my grandpa's favorite in the 80 ' s. Good to see someone else share our sentiments on his skills, JJ.

Julio Cesar Chavez would have whooped Mayweather in his prime at 140 in my opinion. Another one of mine and my pops' faves.

Not so sure about that, Sweet Pea schooled him and Floyd has better defense IMO, though Ill admit at 140 it would have been harder for Floyd but at 130 and 135 Im taking Floyd, Floyd had feather light feet at those weights could fight going backwards very well.

[homie1975]

Nothing to do with your question but...
What do you think of this guy, my all time favorite...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Ray_Robinson

dont think Floyd would have a chance..

Sir, In my HUMBLE opinion as a boxing fanatic and aficionado, I personally consider Sugar Ray Robinson the greatest boxer that ever lived.

[brainfreeze]

Old time boxing
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=axY9Mb06BX0

Tough as nails, and neither was afraid to swing for the fences...
Slow connection but the 12:50 mark maybe it was in the 5 th... Demarco, Wow

The old school

[eidolon]

Did I read someone say Mayweather isn't in the top 25 greatest of all time?
I'm not saying he is the best ever; but com'on, your hate for the guy is making you look like a donkey

[jtoler]

Did I read someone say Mayweather isn't in the top 25 greatest of all time?
I'm not saying he is the best ever; but com'on, your hate for the guy is making you look like a donkey

The hate is what always blinds them, cant separate the character he portrays outside the ring from greatness inside the ring.

[Thor4140]

I think some of these boxers coming out and taking shots at Floyd are tired of his nonsense too. Oscar, Bernard recently. I just heard Pac and Floyd have one more condition to seal the deal. Floyd wants Pac to fight in a wheel chair with his hands tied behind his back while being blindfolded. Out of complete frustration i hear Pac is considering it.

[jtoler]

I think some of these boxers coming out and taking shots at Floyd are tired of his nonsense too. Oscar, Bernard recently. I just heard Pac and Floyd have one more condition to seal the deal. Floyd wants Pac to fight in a wheel chair with his hands tied behind his back while being blindfolded. Out of complete frustration i hear Pac is considering it.

If that is the same as random blood testing then youre correct.

[NavsPicks]

I don't see why random blood teating would be a problem unless you're breaking the rules.. Anyways Floyd wouldve clowned pac 5 years ago and he'll clown him come May 2nd.

[jtoler]

I don't see why random blood teating would be a problem unless you're breaking the rules.. Anyways Floyd wouldve clowned pac 5 years ago and he'll clown him come May 2nd.

Same thing Ive always said, but people hate Floyd so much that instead of questioning why Pac has said no to random testing for 6 years they just say oh Floyd is scared and ducking.

[Thor4140]

Floyd clowning Pac is about as dumb as saying Floyd isn't in the top 25. If he knew he would just clown Pac he would have fought him 5 years ago. The Floyd haters and the Floyd nut huggers need to stay out of the conversation.

[jtoler]

Floyd clowning Pac is about as dumb as saying Floyd isn't in the top 25. If he knew he would just clown Pac he would have fought him 5 years ago. The Floyd haters and the Floyd nut huggers need to stay out of the conversation.

Still excluding Pac saying no to random blood testing as all haters turn a blind eye to that huge glaring thing thats held the fight up. Has nothing to do with knowing who he'd win, I think he believes he'd win anyway, this is boxing, nobody is scared of anybody, especially with multi millions on the table.

[Thor4140]

Still excluding Pac saying no to random blood testing as all haters turn a blind eye to that huge glaring thing thats held the fight up. Has nothing to do with knowing who he'd win, I think he believes he'd win anyway, this is boxing, nobody is scared of anybody, especially with multi millions on the table.

that isn't what is holding up the fight. That was the first excuse (which i feel is legit in Floyds case) back five years ago.

[homie1975]

some of you are completely clueless.

- pac already agreed to a 40-60 split
- pac agreed to las vegas mgm grand on 5/2 as the venue
- pac agreed to random blood testing all the way up to the day before the fight (even though he believes it weakens him)

those issues were sticking points 5 years ago but they are not sticking points now.

hbo and showtime can come together to produce the fight.


the only thing holding this back is MAY - NOT - WEATHER

[eidolon]

some of you are completely clueless.

- pac already agreed to a 40-60 split
- pac agreed to las vegas mgm grand on 5/2 as the venue
- pac agreed to random blood testing all the way up to the day before the fight (even though he believes it weakens him)

those issues were sticking points 5 years ago but they are not sticking points now.

hbo and showtime can come together to produce the fight.


the only thing holding this back is MAY - NOT - WEATHER

I think this might be the biggest issue. HBO vs Showtime: who has more trust in the other. How did big shows do it in the past?


ALSO...never take anything coming out of Arum's mouth as truth.

[homie1975]

Those of u doubting me for saying he is not top 25 all time, why dont you go to boxing.com and look at their list top 100 boxers in history. Then go to espn.com then bleacher report. Find him in the top 25 please. If i know he is not top 25 then they know it too. Do u guys realize that there are so many guys in history who were great fighters who lost at least 5 fights in their careers? Do u understand that going undefeated doesntmake u great just like losing doesnt mean u are not great.

Go find a reputable site that ranks him top 25 in history and for every site u find i will show u 3-4 sites who do not.

learn boxing then come talk to me.

[edawg]

Agree with Ray Robinson being the best but think Floyd is definitely top 25. Tremendous defensive fighter along the lines of sweatpea with how he can measure distance. If Pac doesn't get to him in first three rounds Floyd will dominate the rest and win decisively. Marquez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley aren't exactly the bum of the month club. The kid can box plain and simple whether people like it or not.

[marcoloco]

Ive been a boxing purist for many years also, Floyd has been calculating as many smart fighters in the past have been with opponents, doesnt mean he thought he'd lose to them. Your question is really not based on Floyd rather the landscape of boxing during his time at specific weights, that being, what were the available HOF boxers who were in their prime during those specific times, guaranteeing both is not an easy thing to find in any era. Here are the HOF boxers Floyd has fought and some whom I think are HOF worthy.

Genaro Hernandez- HOF inducted
Jose Luis Castillo -Should be in HOF IMO
Diego Corrales - Will probably eventually get in.
Arturo Gatti - HOF inducted
Oscar De La Hoya - HOF inducted
Ricky Hatton - Will probably eventually get in.
Juan Manuel Marquez - A shoe in once available
Shane Mosley - A shoe in once available
Miguel Cotto - A shoe in once available
Saul Alvarez - If career continues as such he will get in

On paper yes he beat HOF fighters , but not for all at the time of their primes, many fighters finally fought Floyd at the tail end of their careers...

Genaro Hernandez- HOF inducted - Last fight of his career
Jose Luis Castillo -Should be in HOF IMO - 50 fights before Floyd, fought another 10 years after, went 16-8 including another loss to Floyd
Diego Corrales - Will probably eventually get in - Another Good win for Floyd, during pretty boi era, actually fought better than he does now.
Arturo Gatti - HOF inducted - fought 3 fights after Floyd, lost 2
Oscar De La Hoya - HOF inducted - Oscar lost, but its debatable if Floyd beat him. Either way 2 fights after for Oscar then retired
Ricky Hatton - Will probably eventually get in - Exposed after as not much of a boxer. Very unimpressive fight log far Hatton's Career. 4 fights after Floyd and losing 2
Juan Manuel Marquez - A shoe in once available - 8 fights after, lost only 2. 41 years old and still fighting, maybe...
Shane Mosley - A shoe in once available - fought 5 times after and only winning once
Miguel Cotto - A shoe in once available - 3 fights since, 1 loss, still going...
Saul Alvarez - If career continues as such he will get in - Just turned 23 when he fought Floyd, 43 previous fights, lots of miles on his young body but I agree, I think he will be a HOF when his career is over...

[mirinquads]

^You really put Gatti in there? And a Mummified version of Mosley and Oscar(who arguably beat him)? And Corrales fought like a complete idiot in that fight. Mayweather was brilliant to watch back then at the turn of the century though.

[marcoloco]

Those of u doubting me for saying he is not top 25 all time, why dont you go to boxing.com and look at their list top 100 boxers in history. Then go to espn.com then bleacher report. Find him in the top 25 please. If i know he is not top 25 then they know it too. Do u guys realize that there are so many guys in history who were great fighters who lost at least 5 fights in their careers? Do u understand that going undefeated doesntmake u great just like losing doesnt mean u are not great.

Go find a reputable site that ranks him top 25 in history and for every site u find i will show u 3-4 sites who do not.

learn boxing then come talk to me.

100% agree! its not who you beat, its when you beat them and how you beat them

[Kermit]

I still think Oscar De La Hoya beat Mayweather back in 2007.

[brainfreeze]

Agree with Ray Robinson being the best but think Floyd is definitely top 25. Tremendous defensive fighter along the lines of sweatpea with how he can measure distance. If Pac doesn't get to him in first three rounds Floyd will dominate the rest and win decisively. Marquez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley aren't exactly the bum of the month club. The kid can box plain and simple whether people like it or not.

Not saying mayweather can't box, and I agree with your post to a degree... Just think defensive boxing gets a little boring .. Paying 80 bucks just to watch good defense on the tube ?, .... Take some chances big shots make big memories, Floyd just hasn't been in any of those.

[homie1975]

Rocky Marciano retired undefeated. Is he the best heavyweight of all time? Not even close. He's barely a top 10 to 15 in the history of heavyweights.

It has been 115 years since 1900 and in that time boxing has had at least 25 fighters better than mayweather based on the competition they fought and their record against them.

Truthfully if u ask any true boxing historian who has knowledge going back 100 plus years, Floyd might not be in the top 35 or 40.

I'm as serious as a heart attack.

[homie1975]

Mayweather is a brilliant tactician in the ring and extremely gifted, but the precision which he has hand picked his opponents with and the number of big names he beat when they were well well past their prime, kills his legacy. He dodges the best opponents at times he knows they're ready for him. He's been running from manny for 6 years. And anyone who doesn't think he's scared of khan's speed, doesnt know boxing.

[ApricotSinner32]

The floyd who fought gatti would be live vs hearns and hagler. Styles make fights floyd is very hard to hit with a clean flush shot.

[jjgold]

Pryor also was tough, Benitez, Camacho, Barkley. a few others

Tremendous time for boxing

10. Alan Minter (39-9 with 23 KOs)

Minter was arguably the best British middleweight of the late 1970s and early 1980s, and seeing as how Britain consistently produces solid middleweights, that is saying something. He beat the likes of Sugar Ray Seales, a faded Emile Griffith, and twice against Vito Antuofermo. All of that was in the 1970s, however. He opened the 1980s as the champion, and was stopped on cuts by Hagler. After that, he was beaten by Hamsho and Tony Sibson. Holding the title is enough to squeak in at #10.

9. Mustafa Hamsho (44-5-2 with 28 KOs)

The only reason why Hamsho does not rate higher is his failure to win a world title. He beat the undefeated Wilfred Scypion, Alan Minter, the undefeated Bobby Czyz, and Wilfred Benitez in that great fighter's last world class outing. Although he was stopped twice by Marvin Hagler, it must be said that he was a man of rare caliber to meet Hagler twice with both guns blazing. "Undaunted" does not begin to describe spirit like that. Late in his career, he dropped a points loss to Donny Lalonde and was stopped by Graciano Rocchigiani. The main reason Hamsho never captured a belt was that Marvin Hagler had them all during Hamsho's prime.

8. John "The Beast" Mugabi (42-7-1 with 39 KOs)

John Mugabi of Uganda was one of those utterly fearsome characters who had to been seen to be believed. He won all of his first 25 of his fights in devastating knockouts, cleaving a path of destruction through the 154 and 160 lbs ranks like a 5'8" George Foreman. As the unified #1
middleweight contender, he met Marvin Hagler and gave the Marvelous One one of the hardest fights of his career. The fight ultimately took too much out of Mugabi. He won a 154 lbs world title, but was never quite the same fighter again, and failed to ever beat a noteworthy opponent. Still, Mugabi was one fighter who truly lived up to his moniker.

7. Iran "The Blade" Barkley (43-19-1 with 27 KOs)

Barkley was a great overachiever. On the plus side, he knocked out Tommy Hearns and Michael Olajide. On the minus side, he was outpointed by Robert Duran, Sumbu Kalambay, and Michael Nunn. In the 1990s he would go on to win some and lose some, but the tough Barkley could always be counted on to be a dangerous opponent.

6. Ray Leonard (36-3-1 with 25 KOs)

Leonard's time at middleweight represents the second half of his career, when he ceased to really accomplish anything great or decisive. In 1981 he jumped up to 154 and beat Ayub Kalule. However, his "win" over Marvin Hagler was questionable in the extreme. He met Thomas Hearns in a 1989 rematch that was declared a Draw, but should have been a loss for Leonard. He beat Donny Lalonde for a 168 lbs and 175 lbs world title because he insisted that Lalonde make the 168 lbs limit, a full 7 pounds below his usual fight weight.The only untainted win of Leonard's tenure at middleweight was his rubber match with Duran. He pointedly avoided fighting any of the young lions that arose in the latter half of the decade. Given that so much of Leonard's record during this latter half of his career is open to debate, his place on this list is in the bottom half.

5. Sumbu Kalambay (57-6-1 with 33 KOs)

Kalambay is a thoroughly underrated fighter, but he outboxed Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Steve Collins, and went 1-1 with Mike McCallum. His win over McCallum was the first defeat that fighter had ever suffered. Against this is his shocking upset knockout loss to Michael Nunn in 1989, and an early career loss to Ayub Kalule.

4. Roberto Duran (103-16 with 70 KOs)

Ironically, Duran's legacy at middleweight is is arguably stronger than that of his welterweight period. At 154, he was beaten by Wilfred Benitez and crushed by Thomas Hearns. However, his fight with Marvin Hagler was a classic. Duran lost, but was the first fighter to last the distance with the awesome Hagler in years. Then in 1989, he pulled off his huge upset victory by outpointing Iran Barkley, winning the WBC Middleweight Title in the process.

3. Mike "The Bodysnatcher" McCallum (49-5-1 with 36 KOs)

Where Hagler ruled the middleweights from the early to mid 1980s, McCallum took over in the late 1980s. Starting in the early 1980s at 154 lbs, he defeated three good fighters in Ayub Kalule, Julian Jackson, Milton McCrory, and a great one in Donald Curry. Moving up to 160, he was
outboxed by Sumbu Kalambay. However, he bounced back to assert dominance over the division with wins over Herol Graham, Michael Watson, Steve Collins, and finally revenue on Kalambay. Ray Leonard pointedly ducked him. By 1990 McCallum was on the downside of his career, but by then he had been a major force at both 154 and 160 for eight solid years, losing only one major fight along the way.

2. Thomas Hearns (61-5-1 with 48 KOs)

Hearns has a string of accomplishments as a 154, 160, and 168 pound fighter that make him one of the most elite middleweights of the 1980s. At 154, he beat Wilfred Benitez, and stuffed Roberto Duran's tail between his legs in a crushing 2nd Round knockout. At 168, he beat Michael Olajide and drew with Ray Leonard. At 160, he fought one of the greatest bouts of all time with Marvelous Marvin Hagler, and knocked out undefeated prospect James Shuler and Juan Roldan. Against this, he lost by knockout to Iran Barkley. Hearns's only serious competition for the #2 slot is Mike McCallum, and on the balance his accomplishments against truly great fighters outweigh McCallum's record against merely good fighters.

1. Marvelous Marvin Hagler (62-3-2 with 52 KOs)

Marvelous Marvin Hagler ruled the 160 pound division from September 1980 to April 1987, compiling 12 successful defenses along the way. He won most of those defenses by knockout. His 1987 "loss" to Ray Leonard remains controversial and debated to this very day. Hagler defeated half the names on this list: Hearns, Duran, Mugabi, Hamsho, and Minter. He also beat Vito Antuofermo, Tony Sibson, Fulgencio Obelmeijias, and Juan Roldan. Hagler is routinely considered one of the Top 5 best middleweight boxers of all time, and easily comes out as #1 in his own era.