[Tommy Blingshyne]

are we really debating "hometown advantage" in sports as if its not a real thing? WTF is going on here?

[The iron sheik]

are we really debating "hometown advantage" in sports as if its not a real thing? WTF is going on here?

Of course it exists in sports, but some of that home advantage as it's generally seen, is kind of hard to rub on MMA. I'd guess home advantage in popular team sports would have more to do with playing in really familiar surroundings, as opposed to fans cheering. Not even getting into the rules that generally favor home teams...

But with the location and familiarity, that doesn't really exist in MMA.

[Thor4140]

The advantage is with the match makers. U rarely see a Brazilian as a dog unless he is fighting another Brazilian.

[Tommy Blingshyne]

Of course it exists in sports, but some of that home advantage as it's generally seen, is kind of hard to rub on MMA. I'd guess home advantage in popular team sports would have more to do with playing in really familiar surroundings, as opposed to fans cheering. Not even getting into the rules that generally favor home teams...

But with the location and familiarity, that doesn't really exist in MMA.

so fans cheering doesnt play a role you think? what about the 12th man in football...i think the crowd absolutely plays a role in hometown advantage and why wouldnt that rub off in MMA? with an entire stadium cheering your name and rooting you on that has to give you some kind of mental boost and on the flipside, when everyone is booing you and cursing you and wishing you dead, that has to have some kind of negative effect on you mentally or at least somewhat throw you off your game, especially if youre new and not used to that experience...its all about energy...its certainly not the only factor but it has to be at least a small contributing factor to some of the success...at least i think so...as for inflated lines...its all based on public perception...if the public perceives brazilian fighters to have a significant hometown advantage when fighting in brazil (and the public absolutely does for whatever reason), im sure the oddsmakers are factoring that in, therefore resulting in relatively unproven fighters in the UFC opening at 3.5, 4 and 5-1 favorites...i think this is especially true w/ brazilian fighters in brazil being that those fans seem to be some of the, if not the, most loyal fans...

[Educ8d Degener8]

A lot of "thoughts" in this thread. A little sparse on facts, however.

[brooks85]

42-8 brazilians in brazil vs non-brazilians

2 losses by luiz cane

[MD]

The figure I heard is 41-10. Are you sure about those numbers?

[Vaughany]

and two wins for Lentz

[Vaughany]

Pyle beat Funch
Lentz beat Nunes and Hacran
Dolloway beat Sarafian
Khabib Nurmagomagmddmememdv beat Tavares
Nedkov beat Banha
Camozzi beat Banha
Phil Davis beat Prado
Fitch beat Erick Silva
Franklin beat Wanderlei

That's 10

[The iron sheik]

so fans cheering doesnt play a role you think? what about the 12th man in football...i think the crowd absolutely plays a role in hometown advantage and why wouldnt that rub off in MMA? with an entire stadium cheering your name and rooting you on that has to give you some kind of mental boost and on the flipside, when everyone is booing you and cursing you and wishing you dead, that has to have some kind of negative effect on you mentally or at least somewhat throw you off your game, especially if youre new and not used to that experience...its all about energy...its certainly not the only factor but it has to be at least a small contributing factor to some of the success...at least i think so...as for inflated lines...its all based on public perception...if the public perceives brazilian fighters to have a significant hometown advantage when fighting in brazil (and the public absolutely does for whatever reason), im sure the oddsmakers are factoring that in, therefore resulting in relatively unproven fighters in the UFC opening at 3.5, 4 and 5-1 favorites...i think this is especially true w/ brazilian fighters in brazil being that those fans seem to be some of the, if not the, most loyal fans...

I didn't mean to say that it doesn't play a role, perhaps it came off that way but that's not what I meant. What I did mean however, is that when compared to other sports (something I feel you did in your initial posts when talking about sports in general), it's entirely different.

[brooks85]

Pyle beat Funch
Lentz beat Nunes and Hacran
Dolloway beat Sarafian
Khabib Nurmagomagmddmememdv beat Tavares
Nedkov beat Banha
Camozzi beat Banha
Phil Davis beat Prado
Fitch beat Erick Silva
Franklin beat Wanderlei

That's 10

o yea, forgot funch was brazilian, not sure which other i missed

[Thor4140]

Pyle beat Funch
Lentz beat Nunes and Hacran
Dolloway beat Sarafian
Khabib Nurmagomagmddmememdv beat Tavares
Nedkov beat Banha
Camozzi beat Banha
Phil Davis beat Prado
Fitch beat Erick Silva
Franklin beat Wanderlei

That's 10

When i look at this list, from the top of my head, it looks like those fighters that won were either favorites or close to being favorites. I bet if u look at this as a whole, most Brazilian wins are guys who are 3 to 1 or more favs (matchmaking) and id be willing to bet my last dollar that 9 out of ten guys in here will not bet a three to 1 or more favorite unless it is a parlay.

[The iron sheik]

Very inconclusive as I simply posted events I recalled and copied off facebook. There might be errors in there because of wikipedia, and some people missed nationality so some fights might be missing. I'm not checking everything up to a detail either as this is a forum post, not a postgrad work.


Home advantage or not, these are pretty fukking lopsided fights for the most part.




UFC on FX Nog vs. Werdum:

Erick Silva def. Jason High
Rony Jason def. Mike Wilkinson
Raphael Assunção def. Vaughan Lee
Rodrigo Damm def. Mizuto Hirota
Caio Magalhaes def. Karlos Vemola
Antonio Braga Neto def. Anthony Smith
6-0 brazil


UFC 153:


Anderson Silva def. Stephan Bonnar
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Dave Herman
Jon Fitch def. Erick Silva
Phil Davis def. Wagner Prado
Demian Maia def. Rick Story
Rony Mariano Bezerra def. Sam Sicilia
Diego Brandao def. Joey Gambino
Chris Camozzi def. Luiz Cané
Cristiano Marcello def. Reza Madadi
6-3 brazil


UFC 147:


Rich Franklin def. Wanderlei Silva
Fabricio Werdum def. Mike Russow
1-1 tie


UFC 142:


José Aldo (c)def.Chad Mendes
Vitor Belfort def. Anthony Johnson
Rousimar Palhares def. Mike Massenzio
Edson Barboza def. Terry Etim
Thiago Tavares def. Sam Stout
Yuri Alcantara def. Michihiro Omigawa
Mike Pyle def. Ricardo Funch
6-1 brazil


UFC 137:


Anderson Silva (c) def. Yushin Okami
Mauricio Rua def. Forrest Griffin
Edson Barboza def. Ross Pearson
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Brendan Schaub
Stanislav Nedkov def. Luiz Cane
Thiago Tavares def. Spencer Fisher
Rousimar Palhares def. Dan Miller
Paulo Thiago def. David Mitchell
7-1 brazil


UFC on FX Belfort vs. Rockhold:


Vitor Belfort def. Luke Rockhold
Ronaldo Souza def. Chris Camozzi
Rafael dos Anjos def. Evan Dunham
Nik Lentz def. Hacran Dias
Gleison Tibau def. John Cholish
Fabio Maldonado def. Roger Hollett
John Lineker def. Azamat Gashimov
Jussier Formiga def. Chris Cariaso
Lucas Martins def. Jeremy Larsen
Francisco Trinaldo def. Mike Rio
9-1 brazil


35-7 total?

PS. Luiz Cane hates Brazil

[Vaughany]

I listed them above bruhv! 10 Brazilians have lost to non-Brazilians

[The iron sheik]

I listed them above bruhv! 10 Brazilians have lost to non-Brazilians

Yeah, noticed the losers post while editing, but I thought why not post some ...uh, well sorry to say this but "winnerz". Obviously missing some events or fights, but anyway I think it still kind of shows that this home advantage might be there but for the most part it's just a day at the office beating the fukk out of nonbrazilian people who are outclassed.

[Vaughany]

Yeah, noticed the losers post while editing, but I thought why not post some ...uh, well sorry to say this but "winnerz". Obviously missing some events or fights, but anyway I think it still kind of shows that this home advantage might be there but for the most part it's just a day at the office beating the fukk out of nonbrazilian people who are outclassed.

yep, pretty much

[brooks85]

ill look up the lines tomorrow while im on the bike

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Of course it exists in sports, but some of that home advantage as it's generally seen, is kind of hard to rub on MMA. I'd guess home advantage in popular team sports would have more to do with playing in really familiar surroundings, as opposed to fans cheering. Not even getting into the rules that generally favor home teams...

But with the location and familiarity, that doesn't really exist in MMA.

[The iron sheik]

You're pretty dumb if you think say... NHL venues do not differ in location and familiarity more than MMA

[Grabaka]

This pouyasophy guy is a genius...I'll bet he has girls swinging from his johnson all the time

You created yet another ghost account? Maaan you almost almost fool us on this one!