[Fenster]

Pascal Krauss -240

[Vaughany]

Is this Sarafian levels of confidence brah?

[Thor4140]

Is this Sarafian levels of confidence brah?

Sarafian was the biggest robbery of the year. You should have know that.

[Vaughany]

Sarafian was the biggest robbery of the year. You should have know that.

So you think he should of been -500 like Fenster/Gaberz suggested? And no it was no where near the biggest robbery of the year! Dolloway almost finished Sarafian!

[sideloaded]

Dolloway shouldn't have won, horrible game plan, but Vaughny is right not a robbery many scored it for Dollaway

[BIGDAY]

I love MEGA locks!

[Fenster]

It wasn't a complete robbery but Sarafian did in fact win Rounds 1 and 2. The third round is the one where some scored it for CB, mostly because he ended up in the dominant position towards the tail end of the round. That's a poor way of scoring the round. Sarafian was the dominant one through majority of the round and nearly finished with a sub in the round. For those reasons, I scored round 3 for Sarafian. He deserved the nod, but I wouldn't call it a complete robbery because I've seen much worse.

[Fenster]

It wasn't a complete robbery but Sarafian did in fact win Rounds 1 and 2. The third round is the one where some scored it for CB, mostly because he ended up in the dominant position towards the tail end of the round. That's a poor way of scoring the round. Sarafian was the dominant one through majority of the round and nearly finished with a sub in the round. For those reasons, I scored round 3 for Sarafian. He deserved the nod, but I wouldn't call it a complete robbery because I've seen much worse.

1 and 3 i meant

[JKD]

Guess that's why he's -240 then.

[Vaughany]

1 and 3 i meant

ha was gonna say, was like wtf for a second ther

[Fenster]

Guess that's why he's -240 then.

Yeah, I was hoping he wouldn't be that big a favorite since they're both relatively unknown.

Pascal-Glover = $$

[Fenster]

Just re-watched the fight. Surprisingly, this time I scored round 2 for Sarafian, giving him the fight 30-27. He got the better of Dollaway for 4 minutes and 45 seconds of the round. Dollaway hurt him in the final 15 seconds and that alone isn't enough to give him the round. Sarafian knocked Dollaway down twice earlier in the round. He really had his way with Dollaway for 4 mins, then in the last minute CB started landing some shots too, then in the final 15 seconds he hurt Sarafian. I think Sarafian deserved that round.

[Thor4140]

So you think he should of been -500 like Fenster/Gaberz suggested? And no it was no where near the biggest robbery of the year! Dolloway almost finished Sarafian!

i was being sarcastic my brutha. Something Gabe would say because of his slam dunk of a pick that hit the rim. Now he has him winning all three rounds lol. Guy was almost left for dead after round two.

[Vaughany]

ha yeah I realise now after seeing the "you should have known that" line!

[bjpenn85]

biggest robbery.. round 2 debatable, round 1 sarafian, round 3..dolloway. Biggest robbery? Spar pisspreiket a. Please. Ikke end opp med å bli like usaklig som gabe.

[Vaughany]

indeed!

[pouyasophy]

Typical Vaugany...mocks everyone's plays and doesn't even make any of his own...and if he does he posts them "after" the event with fake lines....what a clown

[MMAbetMASTA]

Disagree... Let alone paying -240 on that, if you're gonna pay that price there are better plays imo.

I don't understand the hype for kraus.. He's beat nothing but cans on the euro circut, and his two ufc fights were less than impressive. He doesn't seem to excel in any one area. Stumpf at least has superior wrestling and imo superior sub grappling. After the weigh in kraus does look a lot larger which is concerning, as I'm sure stumpf is looking for tds and clinches, but at -240 that is ridiculous, he should be the fav but I'd put him at -150ish. If kraus can stuff I'm sure he can outstrike stumpf for 3 rounds, and who knows perhaps he is the better sub grappler, but this is the first american wrestler he's faced and his tdd is a question mark for me. I know he's been rolling with askren, but too many times have I seen fighters train with high level wrestlers in their camp to work tdd and they still get grounded.

Value is on stumpf imo, or don't play it at all...

[MMAbetMASTA]

you're in the clear minority for sarafin, disagree with that too... Majority of people with any sense and majority of legit websites had it unanimous for Cb... Thankfully the judges got it right and I cashed that value on cb. Best you can argue is a 10-10 3rd round for a draw, I wouldn't argue that, but sarafin did not deserve the win.

[sideloaded]

Typical Vaugany...mocks everyone's plays and doesn't even make any of his own...and if he does he posts them "after" the event with fake lines....what a clown

jesus you're dumb

[sideloaded]

fenster how many units and what line are you on? betting online or with a local? how much did you lose on sarafain?

[Fenster]

Dollaway vs Sarafian round 2: I initially scored it for Dollaway because I was nervous while watching, but upon second viewing Sarafian clearly gets the better of the first 4 minutes of the round. CB doesn't get anything off until the last minute and he lands a lucky knee that rocks Sarafian in the last 15 seconds. That lucky knee IMO is not enough to cancel out the previous 4 minutes of Sarafian landing significant strikes and outworking Dolloway on the feet. Worst case scenario Sarafian took the first one and rounds 2 and 3 were 10-10. I re-watched the fight thinking CB wins Round 2 no question but I waited 4 minutes for CB to do ANYTHING in the round. He was just eating punches until the last minute. Easily getting outpointed.

Kraus line is right at -260 right now. 3 to 1 odds are about right for him. He's only beaten cans, true, but Strumpf is just another can for him to beat. When you have a decent fighter vs a can, always take the fighter. There can only be so many Shamar Bailey's we can fade, I think Stumpf is one of 'em.

I believe this IS the safest play on the card.

[Fenster]

fenster how many units and what line are you on? betting online or with a local? how much did you lose on sarafain?

5u, -240, 5d, a lot.

[v1y]

krauss actually did look way bigger at the weigh ins.

[JKD]

He did, but I put a token tenner on Stumpf to fade this thread. Krauss has really struggled with wrestlers in the past.

[Fenster]

He did, but I put a token tenner on Stumpf to fade this thread. Krauss has really struggled with wrestlers in the past.

What? He only has one loss. He has struggled against one wrestler and everybody struggles against John Hathaway.

[El Nino]

Just re-watched the fight. Surprisingly, this time I scored round 2 for Sarafian, giving him the fight 30-27. He got the better of Dollaway for 4 minutes and 45 seconds of the round. Dollaway hurt him in the final 15 seconds and that alone isn't enough to give him the round. Sarafian knocked Dollaway down twice earlier in the round. He really had his way with Dollaway for 4 mins, then in the last minute CB started landing some shots too, then in the final 15 seconds he hurt Sarafian. I think Sarafian deserved that round.

Hahaha 30-27. #BouncyCastles

[JKD]

What? He only has one loss. He has struggled against one wrestler and everybody struggles against John Hathaway.

'Struggled' and 'lost' are different things bro

[Vaughany]

Typical Vaugany...mocks everyone's plays and doesn't even make any of his own...and if he does he posts them "after" the event with fake lines....what a clown

[MMAbetMASTA]

Dollaway vs Sarafian round 2: I initially scored it for Dollaway because I was nervous while watching, but upon second viewing Sarafian clearly gets the better of the first 4 minutes of the round. CB doesn't get anything off until the last minute and he lands a lucky knee that rocks Sarafian in the last 15 seconds. That lucky knee IMO is not enough to cancel out the previous 4 minutes of Sarafian landing significant strikes and outworking Dolloway on the feet. Worst case scenario Sarafian took the first one and rounds 2 and 3 were 10-10. I re-watched the fight thinking CB wins Round 2 no question but I waited 4 minutes for CB to do ANYTHING in the round. He was just eating punches until the last minute. Easily getting outpointed.

Kraus line is right at -260 right now. 3 to 1 odds are about right for him. He's only beaten cans, true, but Strumpf is just another can for him to beat. When you have a decent fighter vs a can, always take the fighter. There can only be so many Shamar Bailey's we can fade, I think Stumpf is one of 'em.

I believe this IS the safest play on the card.

my friend you need to re-visit how to score a fight if you're scoring round 2 10-10... You don't get a 10-10 round when you're seconds away from being stopped by the ref, and get lucky and saved by the bell... C'mon guy.

Outside of hat, stumpf is the best fighter kraus has fought so he might not be B/A level, but I wouldn't put him in the category of can with the other euro circut dudes.

For your sake I hope you win since you're paying that ridicilous juice, I only got about 40 bucks on him not a few bills. Like I said, Kraus is the rightful fav and prob gonna win, but value is on stumpf imo.

Either way GL gabriel.

[pouyasophy]

My first reaction to this play was "who?"

[sideloaded]

glad gabe finally funded offshore instead of that shady local

[Fenster]

my friend you need to re-visit how to score a fight if you're scoring round 2 10-10... You don't get a 10-10 round when you're seconds away from being stopped by the ref, and get lucky and saved by the bell... C'mon guy.

Outside of hat, stumpf is the best fighter kraus has fought so he might not be B/A level, but I wouldn't put him in the category of can with the other euro circut dudes.

For your sake I hope you win since you're paying that ridicilous juice, I only got about 40 bucks on him not a few bills. Like I said, Kraus is the rightful fav and prob gonna win, but value is on stumpf imo.

Either way GL gabriel.

I thought Dollaway took the 2nd too but after watching it again, I couldn't give it to him. He did absolutely nothing for the first 4 minutes of the round. Almost finishing an opponent in the final 15 seconds doesn't magically make the previous 4 minutes disappear. The first 4 mins were all Sarafian. He also recovered towards the end, he wasn't gonna be put out.

To each his own.

I recall "gabriel" saying you didn't know shit and calling you an idiot. Clearly, he was wrong. Good call on Stumpf being the value play. He was so close to winning!

[Fenster]

'Struggled' and 'lost' are different things bro

You're the one who said he struggled against wrestlers and I pointed out he's only got 1 loss to a wrestler. What are you talking about?

The stupidity here gives me a headache every time I log on. A many of you are lost causes.

[sideloaded]

gabe f the haters BREH!