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    Loading up on Anthony Pettis

    I don't start threads that often but when I see a line that is exposed I like to point it out and let people tail. Last time I did this Chris Weidman won me a few large in a fight where it was a pick em line and he won an easy lopsided fight.

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...man-130-a.html

    The Pettis and Cerrone fight will be an example of the biggest change in the MMA landscape over the past few years. Years ago when guys like Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin were running divisions they did it because they were well rounded and utilized superior technique. MMA has changed a lot over the past few years and because the talent pool is so much deeper technique isn't good enough anymore. Guys like Jon Jones, Bendo, Jose Aldo, and GSP are great technicians but also are explosive and athletic.

    This brings me to Donald Cerrone who has great grappling skills and great technical striking but he is not a world class athlete. Anthony Pettis on the other hand is a great technical striker and has the explosiveness and athleticism that I talked about earlier. Also don't be fooled by the Guida fight he also is a great grappler as seen in his fight with Bendo. Donald Cerrone also has defensive lapses as seen in his fights with Melvin and Diaz. He has always left himself open to be hit even going back to the Razor Rob fight. He throws with reckless abandon and sticks his head straight up while Pettis is rarely if ever caught with clean punches. Unlike Diaz and Melvin when Pettis lands he has the thunder behind him to put away Cerrone.

    There is a blue print to beat Pettis. Guida essentially grapple ****** him and held him down and I think a guy like Gray Maynard could still do that but he has improved his TDD so even that might be questionable. Either way the fact remains Cerrone is not the type of fighter to utilize that game plan. This is a bad stlye matchup for Cerrone because both guys will end up going toe to toe on their feet and Pettis will have Cowboy outgunned. Cowboy will be too proud to shoot for a takedown but even if he does Pettis will be able to stuff his attempts. Pettis wins by TKO or a lopsided decision.

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    You think Pettis has more power than Guillard?

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    Pettis thinks Training Mask is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    You think Pettis has more power than Guillard?
    Well hes definitely more explosive and accurate.

    I think he will dominate cerrone in the standup. His best way to win would be the way guida did it (wrestle the penetrate out of him). But I donīt think hes capable of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagalut View Post
    Well hes definitely more explosive and accurate.

    I think he will dominate cerrone in the standup. His best way to win would be the way guida did it (wrestle the penetrate out of him). But I donīt think hes capable of that.
    maybe, but Cerrone will take punches all day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    maybe, but Cerrone will take punches all day
    Nah Cerrone got tagged hard in the beginning of his fight vs Guillard. Guillard could have even finished that fight there if he pushed a little more imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagalut View Post
    Nah Cerrone got tagged hard in the beginning of his fight vs Guillard. Guillard could have even finished that fight there if he pushed a little more imo.
    you could say that about all fighters who can take punishment though. You could say Diaz could of finished Cerrone if he'd pushed a little more, you could say Rob McCulloch could of finished Cerrone if he pushed a little more after dropping him. Fact is Cerrone is one of the most resilient guys in MMA and also one of the most dangerous off his back so Pettis isnt going to be taking too many chances. And with Cerrone's height and upright stance it's going to be very difficult for Pettis to land a headkick. How many times have you seen Pettis actually hurt opponents with punches? Not naive enough to think Cerrone cant be TKO'd (I also didnt think Yves Edwards would KO Jeremy Stephens!) but I just find it very unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    you could say that about all fighters who can take punishment though. You could say Diaz could of finished Cerrone if he'd pushed a little more, you could say Rob McCulloch could of finished Cerrone if he pushed a little more after dropping him. Fact is Cerrone is one of the most resilient guys in MMA and also one of the most dangerous of his back so Pettis isnt going to be taking too many chances. And with Cerrone's height and upright stance it's going to be very difficult for Pettis to land a headkick. How many times have you seen Pettis actually hurt opponents with punches? Not naive enough to think Cerrone cant be TKO'd (I also didnt think Yves Edwards would KO Jeremy Stephens!) but I just find it very unlikely.
    You look at Pettis body of wok in the UFC and it isn't all that impressive. He barely got by Stevens. Won with an impressive head kick over an average fighter and lost to Guida another guy who isn't on the top level but close. To tough to pick this one. anyone who thinks either guy should steam roll the other is chartering in Gabe territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagalut View Post
    Well hes definitely more explosive and accurate.
    Wait, you do know Pettis isn't black, right?

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    I'm really torn on this fight, I really can't think that loading up either way is a good idea as it should be extremely competitive. Not sure how anyone can be super-confident on this one tbh, especially with Pettis' as he's coming off a year long injury absence and has fought for about 1 minute in the past 18 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    You look at Pettis body of wok in the UFC and it isn't all that impressive. He barely got by Stevens. Won with an impressive head kick over an average fighter and lost to Guida another guy who isn't on the top level but close. To tough to pick this one. anyone who thinks either guy should steam roll the other is chartering in Gabe territory.
    He's also the only guy in the UFC to have beaten Ben Henderson.

    I'm on Pettis here. Too quick and too technical for Cerrone.

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    I think Pettis should be favored. And I pick him to win.

    But not sure that he warrants being loaded up on. Perhaps if he was a +140 dog or something. But he is coming off a long long layoff, and Cerrone is probably the best fighter he has seen yet. I think the Bendo Pettis beat isn't nearly as good as the Bendo of today. Cerrone is probably better or at least on par with the Bendo of 2010. Plus, it isn't like Pettis has been on some awesome tear in the UFC. Cerrone doesn't have the wrestling nor wants to that is the style to beat Pettis.

    Pettis probably wins, but off a long layoff and fighting maybe his toughest opponent yet doesn't exactly scream load up on the guy.

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    Staying away from this one. Probably comes down to who can land more significant strikes and we might see a split decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    You think Pettis has more power than Guillard?
    There is more to "power". You don't need power if you land accurately or set up your strikes. Pettis does have power and is a polished striker who uses percision while Melvin has low fighter IQ and fails against elite competition because of it. You'll see the difference Saturday.

    Melvin is that major league pitcher who has a 97 MPH fastball but gets lit up because he throws it right down the middle. Pettis has a 95 MPH fastball but knows how to pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber Guard View Post
    I think the Bendo Pettis beat isn't nearly as good as the Bendo of today. Cerrone is probably better or at least on par with the Bendo of 2010.
    You're under estimating what Bendo was and overrating Cerrone. Benson wiped the floor with Cerrone just before the Pettis fight and while Cerrone has improved he's nowhere near what Bendo was then. While Bendo has improved you're missing the point that styles make matchups. Bendo hasn't fought anybody nearly as athletic as Pettis since his fight with Pettis except Frankie who has speed and was able to give him trouble unlike any other opponent. Miller, Guida, and Bocek are all grinders who can't keep up with Henderson's athleticism. The only guys who will be able to hang with Bendo are guys like Pettis, Aldo, and even Frankie because they have the speed to match up with him.

    MMA isn't always if you beat one guy it means you can beat every guy that he beat. Pettis might not beat Bendo again but it will be a very competitive fight again because he has the style to give him fits.
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    Right now I like Pettis by decision at +200. I'll take that in a 50/50 fight. Don't see Cerrone getting TKO'ed or submitted although anything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky16 View Post
    He's also the only guy in the UFC to have beaten Ben Henderson.

    I'm on Pettis here. Too quick and too technical for Cerrone.
    I think Henderson may be just a tad more talented then he was back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fobfather View Post
    Right now I like Pettis by decision at +200. I'll take that in a 50/50 fight. Don't see Cerrone getting TKO'ed or submitted although anything is possible.
    cosign this

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    Loading up on a guy that's been out for this long in a flip fight is not wise. Fight goes the distance would be wiser.

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    yep and distance is at a reasonable line currently. Might get better closer to fight though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    I think Henderson may be just a tad more talented then he was back then.
    Also gameplans a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Also gameplans a lot better.
    He also dropped some of the "smooth" persona and gets more down to fighting these days. He used to sit back and be a "smooth" striker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber Guard View Post
    He also dropped some of the "smooth" persona and gets more down to fighting these days. He used to sit back and be a "smooth" striker.
    yeah was a lot more casual and not as offensive back then...didnt apply constant pressure like he he does now

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    I will say that Pettis looks absolutely jacked and has put on muscle.

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    It's not the Guida fight that scares me, it's actually the Jeremy Stephens fight, because if Stephens can get Pettis down, I'm more than convinced than Cowboy can and will.

    Cerrone has shown off some nicely timed double leg blasts in the past, and despite everything we know about Cerrone's fighting style, don't discount the fact that Cowboy IS a Jackson fighter, and it's part of the culture over there to come up with the safest gameplans, and for the fighters to LISTEN to them.

    I do think that Pettis is worth a SMALL play, but not only do I give Cerrone a good chance to match Pettis skill for skill, there's this x factor of the super gameplan that Greg Jackson brings to the table that could potentially turn the tables in Cowboy's favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampage Howl View Post
    It's not the Guida fight that scares me, it's actually the Jeremy Stephens fight, because if Stephens can get Pettis down, I'm more than convinced than Cowboy can and will.

    Cerrone has shown off some nicely timed double leg blasts in the past, and despite everything we know about Cerrone's fighting style, don't discount the fact that Cowboy IS a Jackson fighter, and it's part of the culture over there to come up with the safest gameplans, and for the fighters to LISTEN to them.

    I do think that Pettis is worth a SMALL play, but not only do I give Cerrone a good chance to match Pettis skill for skill, there's this x factor of the super gameplan that Greg Jackson brings to the table that could potentially turn the tables in Cowboy's favor.
    wtf? another gimmick ghost account? the f-ck is going on around here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideloaded View Post
    wtf? another gimmick ghost account? the f-ck is going on around here?
    LOL he had some good points though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampage Howl View Post
    It's not the Guida fight that scares me, it's actually the Jeremy Stephens fight, because if Stephens can get Pettis down, I'm more than convinced than Cowboy can and will.

    Cerrone has shown off some nicely timed double leg blasts in the past, and despite everything we know about Cerrone's fighting style, don't discount the fact that Cowboy IS a Jackson fighter, and it's part of the culture over there to come up with the safest gameplans, and for the fighters to LISTEN to them.

    I do think that Pettis is worth a SMALL play, but not only do I give Cerrone a good chance to match Pettis skill for skill, there's this x factor of the super gameplan that Greg Jackson brings to the table that could potentially turn the tables in Cowboy's favor.
    Cerrone has stated that he hates wrestling and hates training it. He's been shit talking Pettis for a long time now. Cerrone has too much balls not to stand and bang. As far as game plans, I would argue that he has NOT followed the game plan in 2 of his last 3 fights. I will be very surprised if this isn't a kick boxing match. Also, Cerrone got himself so worked up dealing with shit talking Nate Diaz, that he blew his wad about 30 seconds into their fight. Now that he is doing the shit talking, how will this affect his performance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideloaded View Post
    wtf? another gimmick ghost account? the f-ck is going on around here?
    LOL. This place is an absolute cesspool sometimes.

    I made an account, found a thread and offered my input... Nothing about this warrants the presumptuous pseduo-modding on your part. It's really not even noteworthy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampage Howl View Post
    LOL. This place is an absolute cesspool sometimes.

    I made an account, found a thread and offered my input... Nothing about this warrants the presumptuous pseduo-modding on your part. It's really not even noteworthy...
    This place isn't a cesspool.

    It's a wasteland...

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    sideloaded seems to find "newfag gimmick posters" everywhere he looks.

    Can't find anything to play on this matchup, but I'm guessing Benson vs. this fights winner might be a whole new story

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    Follow a champ just like I said! Too athletic too good and finishes him! Boom goes the dynamite!

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    Pettis dominated. Nice bet.

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    Congrats man, Pettis looked amazing. Never would have expected anything but a very competitive fight. The stance really threw Cerrone big time.

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