1. 11-20-12 03:51 AM #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunShard View Post
    I haven't heard of any new training that Cain has improved on ever since he lost to Dos Santos.
    lol
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  2. 11-20-12 03:52 AM #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Md, dont call me amateurish, I have the moxy to make a big bet like that, when i make 40k i'll come on here and give everyone some free gift certificates.

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    Go for it then brah! Look forward to seeing your tickets
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  3. 11-20-12 08:24 AM #38
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    Call me stupid, but I like Cain as an underdog. I think people overvalue that first fight as a strong indicator of what will happen here. JDS' cardio has yet to be tested. He's only gone 3 rounds in basically pure strikefests with Nelson and Carwin. Cain's wrestling and unbelievable cardio I think will weigh heavily on JDS if they make it out of the first round. Still a close fight, anyway you look at it, but outside of a first or maybe second round KO, this fight is Cain's to lose. If you can get JDS ITD or by KO at +money, you could certainly hedge it.
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  4. 11-20-12 08:45 AM #39
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    I had money on cain in the first fight and after I saw him enter the octagon with what appeared to be a bad knee I jumped ship.
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  5. 11-20-12 08:59 AM #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Has anyone made a big bet like that before and won big? 50k wud give me 40k back assuming the -125 odds in vegas remain correct? Thanks.
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  6. 11-20-12 02:07 PM #41
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    Hmmm yeah it seems the best odds i could find for the first fight were around +155-175 for jds when he fought velazquez. Could have swore i saw +200 but must be wrong. Maybe the reduced juice on 5D got it closer to that number because that's where I've done my betting for quite awhile.
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  7. 11-20-12 03:50 PM #42
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    per BFO, JDS got to +155 on 5dimes
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  9. 11-21-12 06:27 PM #44
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    Does anyone know what the odds are in vegas for this fight? which casino has the best odds?
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  10. 11-21-12 06:27 PM #45
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    Im gonna put down 10k on jds, screw it....lol...
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  11. 11-21-12 06:37 PM #46
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    do they change on the day of the fight?
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  12. 11-21-12 06:37 PM #47
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    Right now?

    "per BFO, JDS got to +155 on 5dimes"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Right now?

    "per BFO, JDS got to +155 on 5dimes"
    first fight
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  14. 11-21-12 09:20 PM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    do they change on the day of the fight?
    Yes, it was recently made mandatory by the Nevada State Athletic Commission that they change. The fighters will change shorts several times on the day of the fight. So when you hear Mike Goldberg say, "Junior Dos Santos is in the green and yellow shorts." Do NOT be fooled. He has probably changed shorts several times on the day of the fight. He could be wearing red shorts, black shorts, or even camouflage shorts. The bottom line is this is terribly important when placing your bet. In Vegas, you bet according to the color of the shorts the fighter is wearing...not their last name.
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  15. 11-22-12 12:57 AM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Im gonna put down 10k on jds, screw it....lol...
    dude, why? there are way easier fights to predict on that card.
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    El nino very funny.
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  17. 11-22-12 02:20 AM #52
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    Ya but the odds are close and I dont want to waste my time driving up there for 1k on an easier fight, I just wanna make my 5 or 6k then go take that and double it at the tables....
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  18. 11-22-12 02:20 AM #53
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    Hey gabe, have you made some big bets on any fights?
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    Are the odds at bestfightodds pretty much the same as in vegas?
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  21. 11-22-12 02:58 AM #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Hey gabe, have you made some big bets on any fights?
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  22. 11-22-12 03:07 AM #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Nino View Post
    Yes, it was recently made mandatory by the Nevada State Athletic Commission that they change. The fighters will change shorts several times on the day of the fight. So when you hear Mike Goldberg say, "Junior Dos Santos is in the green and yellow shorts." Do NOT be fooled. He has probably changed shorts several times on the day of the fight. He could be wearing red shorts, black shorts, or even camouflage shorts. The bottom line is this is terribly important when placing your bet. In Vegas, you bet according to the color of the shorts the fighter is wearing...not their last name.
    lol

    Let's not forget the importance of hog analysis as well in deciding who to bet on...sometimes the type and color of shorts can also help determine who rules the hog roost
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    lol

    Let's not forget the importance of hog analysis as well in deciding who to bet on...sometimes the type and color of shorts can also help determine who rules the hog roost
    This is very true and an often forgotten aspect of handicapping a fight. Black shorts can have a slimming effect on the hog. While vertical stripes can have a lengthening effect on the hog. The trick is to not be fooled by false hog analysis.
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  24. 11-22-12 06:36 AM #59
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    i don't know how anyone can build a case for Cain. Here you have a guy who can box and stop take downs against a guy who may come from one of the worst boxing camps on the planet. Their guys get knocked out left and right. Look at all the adjustments Kos made in his last fight against GSP.
    Absoulutely nothing but the same old stuff and he got picked apart while GSP made adjustments. Same with Swick. Swick has great hands but never learned how to throw straight punches when he got in trouble. U get him in a fire fight and he throws everything wide. This is the story about that gym so i don't see how Cain has any chance here. Cain got hit with a terrible punch thrown by JDS. It was from left field started from the ground almost. Good luck with your Cain wagers. Cain needs to take JDS down and nobody has shown they could just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Hey gabe, have you made some big bets on any fights?
    I had Chris Weidman maxed at -375, but that's cancelled... Now I've got Phil Davis locked in at -300.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2000 View Post
    Ya but the odds are close and I dont want to waste my time driving up there for 1k on an easier fight, I just wanna make my 5 or 6k then go take that and double it at the tables....
    You're retarded. You're gonna bet on a Heavyweight fight, sweat it out, maybe get lucky and win...then go blow away your money at the tables? lmao... you sound like someone begging to lose his money.
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    Or one of Defacto's multiple troll accounts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Or one of Defacto's multiple troll accounts!
    haha
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  29. 11-22-12 02:02 PM #64
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    I was just kidding about the tables retard, but i will win on this fight, that I am sure of.
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  30. 11-23-12 12:37 AM #65
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    I got JDS +155 when they fought on the FOX premiere.
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    I remember because I rolled it all on Pacquaio the night he robbed Marquez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    i don't know how anyone can build a case for Cain. Here you have a guy who can box and stop take downs against a guy who may come from one of the worst boxing camps on the planet. Their guys get knocked out left and right. Look at all the adjustments Kos made in his last fight against GSP.
    Absoulutely nothing but the same old stuff and he got picked apart while GSP made adjustments. Same with Swick. Swick has great hands but never learned how to throw straight punches when he got in trouble. U get him in a fire fight and he throws everything wide. This is the story about that gym so i don't see how Cain has any chance here. Cain got hit with a terrible punch thrown by JDS. It was from left field started from the ground almost. Good luck with your Cain wagers. Cain needs to take JDS down and nobody has shown they could just yet.
    I'm waiting for the day that we agree on something lol. Nobody has shown they can take down JDS yet because nobody who has fought JDS yet is a wrestler (save Cain and that fight only lasted 64 seconds). Can't vouch for Cain's training camp, but his boxing looked pretty solid against Noguiera. But yes, JDS is the superior boxer for sure and it would be wise for Cain to utilize his wrestling. I think it's perfectly feasable for JDS to end up looking like Bigfoot Silva in this fight.
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  33. 11-23-12 09:21 AM #68
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    JDS will stuff every take down and put a whopping on Cain this time. He won't want another rematch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judgejoebrwn View Post
    I'm waiting for the day that we agree on something lol. Nobody has shown they can take down JDS yet because nobody who has fought JDS yet is a wrestler (save Cain and that fight only lasted 64 seconds). Can't vouch for Cain's training camp, but his boxing looked pretty solid against Noguiera. But yes, JDS is the superior boxer for sure and it would be wise for Cain to utilize his wrestling. I think it's perfectly feasable for JDS to end up looking like Bigfoot Silva in this fight.
    i like Cain. I think he is a beast. Stylistically this is the style That beats him. Kongo tore him up on the feet but couldn't stop a take-down to save his life. JDS is a whole different ball game. Say what ya want but Nelson is also a decent wrestler who couldn't take him down.



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    Not Cains credentials but he still can grapple. I will take the boxer ten out of ten times when he can stop take downs. I don't have any faith in that camp of his and the ability to improve their standup. Cains standup vs Nogs? Who's standup looks bad against Nogs?
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    UFC.com shows JDS with an impressive 88% takedown defense. However, Nelson and Mir combined for a whopping 0 for 18. On the other hand, Gonzaga and Carwin combined for a total of 4 for 7. So I guess it depends on how you look at it.
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