1. 09-24-12 01:52 AM #1
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    UFC on FUEL TV 5: Struve vs. Miocic

    September 29, 2012

    MAIN CARD (FUEL TV, 4 p.m. ET)
    • Stipe Miocic vs. Stefan Struve
    • Dan Hardy vs. Amir Sadollah
    • Yves Jabouin vs. Brad Pickett
    • Paul Sass vs. Matt Wiman
    • John Hathaway vs. John Maguire
    • Duane Ludwig vs. Che Mills


    PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 1 p.m. ET)
    • Kyle Kingsbury vs. Jimi Manuwa
    • Akira Corassani vs. Andy Ogle
    • Brad Tavares vs. Tom Watson
    • DaMarques Johnson vs. Gunnar Nelson
    • Robert Peralta vs. Jason Young


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  2. 09-24-12 02:32 AM #2
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    Excited for the odds to come out on this one.
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  3. 09-24-12 06:42 AM #3
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    I think Miocic ITD, Sadollah, Watson and Nelson are favored, waiting for the odds.
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  4. 09-24-12 07:28 AM #4
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    • Stipe Miocic vs. Stefan Struve
    • Dan Hardy vs. Amir Sadollah
    • Yves Jabouin vs. Brad Pickett
    • Paul Sass vs. Matt Wiman
    • John Hathaway vs. John Maguire
    • Duane Ludwig vs. Che Mills


    -Miocic I think wins this fight, great power, good chin, good fight IQ

    -Che Mills I think beats Duane Ludwig, Ludwig should have retired a long time ago, Mills doesn't have to worry about the ground game.

    -Paul Sass I think has this one in the bag, I don't think Wiman is going to KO him, he's going to be out of reach and I see the fight hitting the ground sooner or later. Sass will catch him
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  5. 09-24-12 10:12 AM #5
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    Couple good free events coming up. Looking forward to it.
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  6. 09-24-12 01:11 PM #6
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    Yeah, two great cards!!! If I don't have profitable nights on both cards, I will be very surprised and will probably lose faith in myself and the sport in general.
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  7. 09-24-12 02:37 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    Yeah, two great cards!!! If I don't have profitable nights on both cards, I will be very surprised and will probably lose faith in myself and the sport in general.
    I was just saying this last night... If I bomb the next two events, I am done.
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  8. 09-24-12 02:38 PM #8
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    I got two plays on this card that I really like, assuming the odds come out like I expect them to. $$$...
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  9. 09-24-12 03:49 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragoel2 View Post
    I think Miocic ITD, Sadollah, Watson and Nelson are favored, waiting for the odds.
    Really? Sadollah a fav over Hardy?
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  10. 09-24-12 04:04 PM #10
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    Not happening
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Not happening
    What isn't happening V?
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  12. 09-24-12 04:06 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenbrain View Post
    Really? Sadollah a fav over Hardy?
    Sadollah seems more powerful, if he can get Hardy in the clinch the match is over. My 2 cents ofc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyX View Post
    What isn't happening V?
    Sadollah being favourite
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  14. 09-24-12 04:16 PM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragoel2 View Post
    Sadollah seems more powerful, if he can get Hardy in the clinch the match is over. My 2 cents ofc.
    Interesting outlook, where has he showed power? He man-handled Damarques Johnson in the second round but JOhnson was gassed out (took the fight on short notice), other than that I only remember him looking very feeble against Ludwig and other fights he has won have predominantly been striking battles at range against average competition. I do need to watch the Lopez fight again but I seem to recall many thinking he lost tht fight, and Lopez got the better of the grappling?
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  15. 09-24-12 04:22 PM #15
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    You seem serious, but its very hard to take you seriously. Watson and sadollah as favourites? When pigs fly and monkeys teach science at universities man.
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  16. 09-25-12 04:53 AM #16
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    i will have to go large if the line for struve/miocic does not go the distance is around 1.20 . really this fight going the distance must be around 2% imo
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  17. 09-25-12 08:05 AM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragoel2 View Post
    I think Miocic ITD, Sadollah, Watson and Nelson are favored, waiting for the odds.
    Fade this man.

    sadalloh and watson favored? lol! fade this man.
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  18. 09-25-12 10:50 AM #18
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    does anyone remember if Bookmaker had live betting for the undercard fights on Fuel?
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  19. 09-25-12 11:02 AM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by v1y View Post
    Fade this man.

    sadalloh and watson favored? lol! fade this man.
    just doubled my struve bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragoel2 View Post
    Sadollah seems more powerful, if he can get Hardy in the clinch the match is over. My 2 cents ofc.
    LOL, nice trollin brah
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  21. 09-25-12 11:11 AM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by sideloaded View Post
    just doubled my struve bet.
    lol
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  22. 09-25-12 11:40 AM #22
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    Often they have betting options for most of the undercard. Sometimes they skip a fight in the beginning or so, but most of the fights are on.
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  23. 09-25-12 10:36 PM #23
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    Stefan Struve is the bet here guys.(+188) His reach is tied for 1st in the ufc and that will be the deciding factor.
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  24. 09-26-12 01:25 AM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge71 View Post
    Stefan Struve is the bet here guys.(+188) His reach is tied for 1st in the ufc and that will be the deciding factor.
    Even though he's never once used his reach effectively before?

    Lots of good posts in this thread.
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  25. 09-26-12 01:32 AM #25
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    It's kind of hard to believe this will be Struve's 12th fight in the UFC. Doesn't even seem like he's been fighting that long. Kind of scary he's only 24 too. If the kid could just bulk up a bit and learn how to control distance with his reach he'd definitely make some noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    Even though he's never once used his reach effectively before?

    Lots of good posts in this thread.
    Actually -- he did start using his reach a bit during the Pat Barry fight. His fight IQ has gone up a few points after being KOed by Browne.

    He's steadily improving. That being said, I don't think he'll be able to deal with Miocic's speed and intensity. Miocic is going to box the shit out of him from every angle.
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  27. 09-26-12 01:49 AM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    Often they have betting options for most of the undercard. Sometimes they skip a fight in the beginning or so, but most of the fights are on.
    Not when they're on facebook however, which the fuel ones are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCalculator View Post
    Actually -- he did start using his reach a bit during the Pat Barry fight.
    I'll have to rewatch it, but I expect on examination that we'll see that Pat Barry made Struve look like he was using his length on account of him being so stubby himself.
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    Only way Struve wins this is if his face makes Stipe's hands explode and he wins via no hands stoppage. Stipe is not Johnson, he's not going to let Struve bum rush him and pull guard. Expect Struve to look like an absolute mess at the end of this fight. Guy still hasn't learned to use his kicks to keep dangerous strikers at distance. He is slowly getting better, but still not adequate. This fight happens wherever Stipe wants it.
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  31. 09-26-12 06:35 AM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge71 View Post
    Stefan Struve is the bet here guys.(+188) His reach is tied for 1st in the ufc and that will be the deciding factor.
    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    Even though he's never once used his reach effectively before?

    Lots of good posts in this thread.
    This.

    Struve's striking is borderline useless. Reach doesn't automatically make you a threat -- it's only a threat if you know how to use it.

    Jon Jones uses his reach near-perfectly by implementing a variety of long, straight kicks and punches. Struve, on the other hand, fights like he is at a 10 inch reach DISadvnatage by closing the distance and throwing short inside uppercuts like a jackass, then getting clobbered with counters.

    Also, Miocic actually has quite a long reach himself: 80" compared to Struve's 84.5". 2" extra reach on each arm doesn't matter when your opponent is a far superior striker and you have no clue how to use your reach advantage.

    Struve's reach will have absolutely no effect on on the outcome of this fight. Also, Stipe's wrestling base and fight IQ will prevent Stephan from taking him down or pulling guard. Miocic by TKO within 2 rounds.
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    some euro books like Party/Gamebookers/Bwin, Sportingbet have released more odds for this card
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    some euro books like Party/Gamebookers/Bwin, Sportingbet have released more odds for this card
    They've just copied Paddypower pretty much
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    So who do you like, Sass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    So who do you like, Sass?
    Wiman and Sass sub but Sass sub probably wont be too different to moneyline. Got Wiman in a double with Che Mills at moment but only small stake
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