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Is Jon Jones the best ufc fighter ever?
jon Jones is cruzifiying every one in his way, he got the ufc company to lose 20 millions, cruzifiying dana white as well, he submitted and near tko belfort, submitted machida/rampage, tko shogun, ..... In a fight with anderson silva, silva could be the underdog. Probably jon jones at -150.
Sounds like a waste of $60....
silva an underdog vs jon jones?
no shit sherlock.
any other riveting news/insight you'd like to share pal?
at this rate? yes...
He is the best ufc fighter ever. People wont admit it though because they will give you some crap about how Fedor was better, but he doesnt have half the skills this guy has. He does everything way above average & he is too tall for people to contend.
Anybody that fights smaller guys isn't the best fighter ever.
Royce and Fedor will always be "the best ever" because they were undersized.
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Ne needs to fight Silva....
If he keeps fighting white guys then the answer is yes.
Fedor never fought in the UFC but Fedor in his prime during the Pride era was the best ever. Anderson Silva is the best UFC fighter ever.
Guys, Jones fought a middleweight has been tonight. Dont get too excited... He needs to retain the belt, fight some better competion, and then we can have this conversation. He hasnt proven himself yet. Hes good but this fight was waste. He needs to fight Alexander Gustafason.
Jones only -150 Vs Silva? I don't think Vegas is in the business if losing money.
His last 5 fights have been over Brazillians and Black guys....Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy
He has a distinct advantage until he faces someone like Anderson Silva who has a similar body type we won't know if he's the best. It could very well be that Anderson is in fact better. I also believe Anderson Silva would beat Shogun, Machida, Rashad and Rampage as well. He needs to face someone with a similar height, reach and skill set. So far I haven't seen him face that type of fighter. They need to make that fight happen soon, it will be like the hagler/hearns of MMA.
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well he has a reach advantage over everyone. He had 10.5 inches over Vitor. Imagine watching him fight a guy with a 95 inch reach to his 85.
Unfortunally, jon jones might be in deep trouble now, his arm is numb, if he injured his arm nerve he is done, it was during victor arm bar, and he would be done as the best fighter ever as well. I hope is only a temporary thing.
Silva is the only comparable. If they fought today, I think Silva would win because Jones would be too intimidated to fight his idol. And Silva's timing is another league than Jones. That being said, Jones could easily throw Silva to the ground and do this thing from there. Tough fight to call.
Jon Jones has his arm numb, I was cheking about it, it could be a neurapraxia, if lucky he will be ok in 6-9 weeks.
If he is not the best yet, he will be very soon...
how do you figure they are smaller? the guys he fights are virtually the same weight.
Gracie fought plenty of guys bigger than him. When he was fighting the UFC was a tournament.
Haven't been in the MMA loop lately...you guys really think Silva would be a dog to Jones?
Jones is one of the best things to happen to the sport in a long time. Great fighter and a great guy outside the ring. Henderson would be a good fight and a fight with Sonnen would be great ppv numbers.
Surprised nobody mentioned St. Pierre, that proposed fight people have thrown out with Silva/St.Pierre in Dallas Cowboy stadium would be the biggest fight ever. Should be a good fight in November with Condit.
so what? he got his ass handed to him by someone that weighs the same.
No.
He just fought Vitor and is about to fight Hendo. 2 actual 185ers who were both whooped up by Anderson Silva. Bones is just beating Anderson's left overs.
He was almost sub'd by a 35 year old 185er that took him 4 rounds. Who didn't make it out of 2 minutes with Anderson.
Anderson is the best of all time.
I don't think Silva has a chance against St. Pierre if we look at Silva's performances against Sonnen. Sonnen took Silva to the ground at will and kept him there and had Sonnen not been lulled into striking Silva (and that ridiculous spinning back fist) who knows how it would have gone.
St. Pierre's game play of take downs and ground and pound would nullify pretty much all of Silva's strengths. Fight wouldn't be close.
LMAO!
You believe this stuff? Him milking his "arm injury"....you believed it?
How does a guy with such a hurt arm start dancing and swing his arms when the decision was announced? How does a guy with such a hurt arm throw elbows and punches at the camera as the decision is announced? His arm isn't hurt. He just wants to act like he is such a tough dude who "wouldn't tap". Exaggeration.
Same weight? Vitor was probably 205-208. Jones was 225-230 on fight night. He had 4 inches in height and 10 inches in reach?
Virtually the same size? What fight were you watching? Machida, Hendo, Vitor, Rashad are all 185ers who fight at 205 because they don't care to cut weight. Machida would be at 185 if ANderson didn't hold that belt.
You are kidding right? Doesn't have a chance vs. GSP?
You think GSP would hold Silva down? Alves got back up multiple times from underneath him. You don't think size is a factor? Sonnen was an Olympic caliber wrestler and a former and now 205er. You think GSPs TDs are just as good as Sonnen's who is like 2 weights bigger?
Why does Anderson seem to WANT that fight so bad? While GSP is dodging it? Why is that if GSP would beat him so easy?
Anderson knows he would KO that pansy easily. Anderson stuffed 2 or 3 of Chael's TDs in that 2nd round. Chael has like 25lbs on GSP.
There is a reason Silva wants the fight so bad and why GSP doesn't seem that interested. GSP knows what would happen.
Belfort said he heard the elbow cracking. If you think Jones was "faking" the injury you're out of your mind. Champions fight through pain, that's what makes them champs. In Belfort's own words, Jones was the better "lion".
It's interesting you chose Alves as an example considering what an absolute lopsided fight that was.
I think St. Pierre doesn't like the idea of fighting out of his weight class, I don't blame him. If the fight happened (which I doubt) it'd be interesting to see how St. Pierre handles the weight difference.
Of course Jones was the better fighter. As for "lion" Vitor said that like 38 times on the countdown. He loves lions.
Why was he doing swinging air elbows and punching the air for the camera after the fight if it hurt so much?
Was a very lopsided fight. But we are talking about GSP getting and keeping someone down. Alves was able to get back up often, so I imagine Silva would find ways too. He is also so good at tying you up from bottom. He would easily tie the shorter GSP up to where refs would be standing it up often. All of this while the size and fact that you have to get close to Anderson before you can take him down, no one GSP has ever faced has half the footwork Anderson has...or elusiveness. Closest thing was BJ back in the day and he lit GSP up. Shields, Kos, Fitch, Hughes all have shitty footwork and striking. They were no threat.
On the feet Anderson would murk Georges. GSP got dotted up by Jake Shields. GSP was finished by Matt Serra. GSP would be so afraid to commit to anything vs. Anderson.
GSP is around 6 years younger and is the wrestler here. As a Champ he should look at it as a great opportunity to beat the p4p best. Anderson wants that fight so much he entertained the idea of vacating the 185 strap and try to make 170. Silva is passing on a Weidman fight and said he wouldn't fight until 2013 because he is holding out for a GSP fight. With the Bonnar fight he figures he can take an easy fight while GSP fights Condit.
I think this fight should happen. These are the 2 best of this era. 2 of the best of all time. Separated by 1 weight class. While Silva is bigger, GSP is much younger. I think the fight makes perfect sense right now.
Anderson Silva is the best in the world right now.
But I believe Jon Jones can surpass him someday because of him becoming champion at a young age.
maybe his body's maturing now but his natural body weight was around 210 - 215 prior to his last two fights.
the weight distribution isn't the reason why other fighters have so much trouble with jones.
it's his reach and quickness. maybe they should have weight and height limit for all the fighters.
that way people won't complain about weight divisions...
Right now Silva is the man. Jones should eclipse him though, how long will Jones beat up punks in LHW?
Comparing how Jones, Silva or St. Pierre would do against each other head to head is irrelevent when determining who you think the best is as they are all in different weight classes. It's simple. Anderson Silva is the best because he has the most title defenses in his own weight class. Period.
I think part of what makes up "GOAT" is that air of invincibility. I can picture Silva right now tapping to Ryo Chonan. Sure it was a fluke but he still had that look of pain on his face. Jones go caught in a fluke sub and beasted through it. Who is gonna beat this guy?
I get the feeling that if Vitor grabbed Jones dick he wouldnt be able to break that shit. No homo.
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