UFC 220: Miocic Vs. Ngannou | 20.01.2018 (Boston, Massachusetts)

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  • Shagdogy
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    • 06-16-10
    • 3564

    #211
    So I finally spent a little bit of time capping this main event and while I was really hoping to find the reason to bet Stipe confidently as the dog, I just can't do it. I believe he will have the faster, much more fluid hands, but I can't unsee how many punches he takes by seemingly disrespecting the power of his opponents. His chin is solid. He was stung by Overeem but recovered quickly, but I just don't think taking punches period is a good idea in this fight, and I'm not sure how he will adjust. As much as Ngannou doesn't have pure speed in his hands, he's pretty accurate with his power (recently). I really HATE to say it but I'm picking Ngannou by round 1 KO, but there's a good chance I've just been too blind with regards to this matchup to ever really see it with an open mind. I just don't think Stipe gets all the way in or out as cleanly or quickly as he will need to. No bet for me here. I know I'm not seeing this fight clearly.
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    • Shagdogy
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      • 06-16-10
      • 3564

      #212
      Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
      I think Miocic could outstrike him too, especially in the later rounds. He just has to avoid Ngannou's power early.
      Hugo - I agree. But will he avoid the power early? I just can't decide. I don't feel like he has shown incredible or even very good striking defense throughout his run.

      However, if he makes it out of round 1 I think the tide turns drastically and he gains more and more momentum until he stops Ngannou. I just can't tell myself confidently that Ngannou doesn't punch his fist through the back of his head first. Is there anything that makes you confident Stipe gets through the early portion? Or are you just playing the odds that all of his other advantages trump Ngannou's one way to win?
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      • Hugo de Naranja
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        • 04-14-16
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        #213
        Originally posted by Shagdogy
        Hugo - I agree. But will he avoid the power early? I just can't decide. I don't feel like he has shown incredible or even very good striking defense throughout his run.

        However, if he makes it out of round 1 I think the tide turns drastically and he gains more and more momentum until he stops Ngannou. I just can't tell myself confidently that Ngannou doesn't punch his fist through the back of his head first. Is there anything that makes you confident Stipe gets through the early portion? Or are you just playing the odds that all of his other advantages trump Ngannou's one way to win?
        His striking defense isn't amazing or anything but Miocic has shown a great chin and the ability to stick and move against a murderer's row of knockout punchers. He was able to dominate fights against huge hitters like Nelson, Hunt, Overeem, and Dos Santos (rematch). Although Ngannou is definitely an athletic step up from those guys, I'm confident Miocic is the much more skilled fighter with a more well rounded skillset. I think he's got the advantages in combination punching, cardio, wrestling, GnP, toughness etc. Although it's totally possible that Ngannou stops Miocic early I'm "playing the odds" that his skill advantages will win the day here.
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        • Hugo de Naranja
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          • 04-14-16
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          #214
          UFC 220: Miocic vs. Ngannou Picks:
          Islam Makhachev Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
          Enrique Barzola Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
          Julio Arce Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
          Alexandre Pantoja Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
          Abdul Razak Alhassan Round 1 TKO (Punches)
          Brandon Davis Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
          Thomas Almeida Round 2 TKO (Punches)
          Gian Villante Round 1 TKO (Punches)
          Shane Burgos Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
          Daniel Cormier Round 3 TKO (Punches)
          Stipe Miocic Round 1 TKO (Punches)
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          • Hugo de Naranja
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-14-16
            • 14140

            #215
            UFC 220: Miocic vs. Ngannou

            Fight Pass Prelims:

            Fight #1: Makhachev vs. Tibau
            Tibau (+220) 1u
            Tibau Scorecards = No Action (+240) .5u
            Tibau Decision (+321) 1u

            Fight #2: Barzola vs. Bessette (DEBUT)
            Barzola -3.5 (-130) 1.95u to win 1.5u

            Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

            Fight #3: Arce (DEBUT) vs. Ige (DEBUT)
            No Bet

            Fight #4: Pantoja vs. Ortiz
            Pantoja Scorecards = No Action (-155) 3.1u to win 2u
            Pantoja Submission (+480) 2u

            Hedge:
            Ortiz Round 3 (+2055) .25u

            Fight #5: Razak Alhassan vs. Homasi
            Razak Alhassan KO/TKO (-117) 4.08u to win 3.5u

            Hedge:
            Homasi KO/TKO (+420) 1u

            Fight #6: Davis (DEBUT) vs. Bochniak
            Davis (-123) 3.675u to win 3u
            Davis ITD (+369) 1u

            Hedge:
            Bochniak KO/TKO (+1347) .5u

            Main Card:

            Fight #7: Almeida vs. Font
            Almeida KO/TKO (+297) 1u

            Hedge(s):
            Font ITD (+235) 1u
            Font Submission (+1225) .5u

            Fight #8: Villante vs. Barroso
            No Bet

            Fight #9: Burgos vs. Kattar
            Burgos -3.5 (+115) 1u

            Hedge(s):
            Kattar Decision (+246) 1u
            Kattar KO/TKO (+1200) .5u

            Fight #10: Cormier (C) vs. Oezdemir
            Cormier KO/TKO (+364) 1u
            Cormier Round 2 (+425) .75u
            Cormier Unanimous Decision (+489) 1u
            Cormier Round 3 (+625) .5u

            Hedge(s):
            Oezdemir Scorecards = No Action (+244) 1u
            Oezdemir Round 1 (+707) 1u

            Fight #11: Miocic (C) vs. Ngannou
            Miocic (+145) 5u
            Miocic Round 1 (+575) 1u
            Miocic Unanimous Decision (+1050) 1u

            Hedge:
            Ngannou Decision (+1850) .5u

            Straight Parlays:
            Burgos/Cormier (+120) 1.5u
            Makhachev+Tibau Over 2.5/Burgos (+152) 1u
            Pantoja/Davis (+157) 1.5u
            Pantoja/Razak Alhassan+Homasi Under 1.5/Davis (+433) .25u

            Prop Parlays:
            Burgos/Cormier -3.5 (+107) 1u
            Pantoja/Cormier -3.5 (+126) 1u
            Cormier ITD/Miocic (+307) .25u
            Makhachev Decision/Barzola Decision/Arce (+457) .25u
            Almeida/Villante/Burgos Decision (+730) .25u

            Full Card Props:
            Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+326) 1.25u
            Almeida+Font FOTN (+575) 1u
            Razak Alhassan Fastest KO/TKO (+600) .5u
            Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+793) .5u
            Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+3800) .25u

            Multi-Event Parlays:
            None
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            • Demonata
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              #216
              Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
              UFC 220: Miocic vs. Ngannou

              Fight Pass Prelims:

              Fight #1: Makhachev vs. Tibau
              Tibau (+220) 1u
              Tibau Scorecards = No Action (+240) .5u
              Tibau Decision (+321) 1u

              Fight #2: Barzola vs. Bessette (DEBUT)
              Barzola -3.5 (-130) 1.95u to win 1.5u

              Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

              Fight #3: Arce (DEBUT) vs. Ige (DEBUT)
              No Bet

              Fight #4: Pantoja vs. Ortiz
              Pantoja Scorecards = No Action (-155) 3.1u to win 2u
              Pantoja Submission (+480) 2u

              Hedge:
              Ortiz Round 3 (+2055) .25u

              Fight #5: Razak Alhassan vs. Homasi
              Razak Alhassan KO/TKO (-117) 4.08u to win 3.5u

              Hedge:
              Homasi KO/TKO (+420) 1u

              Fight #6: Davis (DEBUT) vs. Bochniak
              Davis (-123) 3.675u to win 3u
              Davis ITD (+369) 1u

              Hedge:
              Bochniak KO/TKO (+1347) .5u

              Main Card:

              Fight #7: Almeida vs. Font
              Almeida KO/TKO (+297) 1u

              Hedge(s):
              Font ITD (+235) 1u
              Font Submission (+1225) .5u

              Fight #8: Villante vs. Barroso
              No Bet

              Fight #9: Burgos vs. Kattar
              Burgos -3.5 (+115) 1u

              Hedge(s):
              Kattar Decision (+246) 1u
              Kattar KO/TKO (+1200) .5u

              Fight #10: Cormier (C) vs. Oezdemir
              Cormier KO/TKO (+364) 1u
              Cormier Round 2 (+425) .75u
              Cormier Unanimous Decision (+489) 1u
              Cormier Round 3 (+625) .5u

              Hedge(s):
              Oezdemir Scorecards = No Action (+244) 1u
              Oezdemir Round 1 (+707) 1u

              Fight #11: Miocic (C) vs. Ngannou
              Miocic (+145) 5u
              Miocic Round 1 (+575) 1u
              Miocic Unanimous Decision (+1050) 1u

              Hedge:
              Ngannou Decision (+1850) .5u

              Straight Parlays:
              Burgos/Cormier (+120) 1.5u
              Makhachev+Tibau Over 2.5/Burgos (+152) 1u
              Pantoja/Davis (+157) 1.5u
              Pantoja/Razak Alhassan+Homasi Under 1.5/Davis (+433) .25u

              Prop Parlays:
              Burgos/Cormier -3.5 (+107) 1u
              Pantoja/Cormier -3.5 (+126) 1u
              Cormier ITD/Miocic (+307) .25u
              Makhachev Decision/Barzola Decision/Arce (+457) .25u
              Almeida/Villante/Burgos Decision (+730) .25u

              Full Card Props:
              Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+326) 1.25u
              Almeida+Font FOTN (+575) 1u
              Razak Alhassan Fastest KO/TKO (+600) .5u
              Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+793) .5u
              Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+3800) .25u

              Multi-Event Parlays:
              None
              What was the point of your fight #9 pick? If it wins you still lose money from the hedges?
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              • the1yankee
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                • 05-29-16
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                #217
                Got some
                like a lot
                plays Hugo. Gl tonite
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                • TPowell
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                  • 02-21-08
                  • 18842

                  #218
                  My card is finished as well.

                  Tailed Hugo on some Stipe plays

                  Stipe by DEC (+966) 0.25 units
                  Stipe R1 (+550) 1 unit
                  Stipe ML (+155) 2 units
                  Stipe STARTS Round 2 (-116) 2 units

                  Barzola -3.5 (-130) 1.5 units
                  Tibau by DEC (+292) 1 unit
                  Cormier -3.5 (-250) 2.5 units
                  Almeida ML (-115) 2 units
                  Kattar ML (+185) 1 unit
                  Davis ML (-125) 2 units
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                  • Shagdogy
                    SBR MVP
                    • 06-16-10
                    • 3564

                    #219
                    UFC 220 Picks:

                    Makhachev, decision.
                    Barzola, decision.
                    Arce, TKO.
                    Ortiz, decision.
                    Alhassan, TKO.
                    Davis, decision.
                    Almeida, TKO.
                    Villante, decision.
                    Burgos, decision.
                    Cormier, sub.
                    * Ngannou, KO.

                    * I put Miocic in my ToutMaster picks because I'm so on the fence with this fight that I just took the extra points. I'll post my bets in a bit. Not much I really like tonight.
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                    • TPowell
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-21-08
                      • 18842

                      #220
                      Mak keeing steamed. Tibau ML up to +255
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                      • Shagdogy
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                        • 06-16-10
                        • 3564

                        #221
                        Originally posted by TPowell
                        Mak keeing steamed. Tibau ML up to +255
                        I bought myself out of my Mak bet for free earlier yesterday. If I had waited longer, I could've locked in a small guaranteed profit.
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                        • MMANick
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                          • 12-06-16
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                          #222
                          First play for me is:

                          Makhachev & Barzola parlay. I think Makhachev will really start to pour it on Tibau after the first round. I think Barzola will be busier and be able to mix in some TD's on Bessette.
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                          • turbozed
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                            • 10-15-08
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                            #223
                            Originally posted by TPowell
                            Mak keeing steamed. Tibau ML up to +255
                            I saw that too. Odd for that to happen in such an obscure early prelim. Not enough movement for it to be shady though. Probably just some tout
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                            • turbozed
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                              • 10-15-08
                              • 2435

                              #224
                              I'm on a lot of dogs today.

                              Kattar, Bochniak, Lima

                              Very small plays on Ortiz, Homasi, and Tibau

                              I took chalk on Villante and Ngannou

                              This event feels very odd. Not much consensus and I'm not seeing a lot of things other people are seeing (e.g., a lot of good cappers I know are confident about Davis).
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                              • TPowell
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                                • 02-21-08
                                • 18842

                                #225
                                I'm probably going to look at Bochniak live after R1. I still think Davis cardio isn't that good and Bochniak could lay and pray on him
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                                • Shagdogy
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                                  • 06-16-10
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                                  #226
                                  Originally posted by turbozed
                                  I'm on a lot of dogs today.

                                  Kattar, Bochniak, Lima

                                  Very small plays on Ortiz, Homasi, and Tibau

                                  I took chalk on Villante and Ngannou

                                  This event feels very odd. Not much consensus and I'm not seeing a lot of things other people are seeing (e.g., a lot of good cappers I know are confident about Davis).
                                  Play what you see... you have to even if you're going against others. Good luck to you. Although we are on opposite sides of many, I hope we both come out of this relatively unscathed. It definitely doesn't feel like a night where I'm hoping to win big.
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                                  • Shagdogy
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                                    • 06-16-10
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                                    #227
                                    Originally posted by MMANick
                                    First play for me is:

                                    Makhachev & Barzola parlay. I think Makhachev will really start to pour it on Tibau after the first round. I think Barzola will be busier and be able to mix in some TD's on Bessette.
                                    Literally just added this parlay. At pretty much even I think it's worth the shot.
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                                    • Shagdogy
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                                      • 06-16-10
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                                      #228
                                      UFC 220 Bets:

                                      Davis -140, 1.4u
                                      Burgos -195, 1.95u (missed the good line, but taking the shot anyway)
                                      Cormier/Villante parlay +121, .83u
                                      Cormier/Arce parlay +121, .83u
                                      Barzola/Makhachev parlay -109, 1.09u

                                      That's it for now folks. Good luck.
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                                      • MMANick
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                                        • 12-06-16
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                                        #229
                                        Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                        Literally just added this parlay. At pretty much even I think it's worth the shot.
                                        Same here. Let's cash it!
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                                        • MMANick
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                                          • 12-06-16
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                                          #230
                                          Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                          UFC 220 Bets:

                                          Davis -140, 1.4u
                                          Burgos -195, 1.95u (missed the good line, but taking the shot anyway)
                                          Cormier/Villante parlay +121, .83u
                                          Cormier/Arce parlay +121, .83u
                                          Barzola/Makhachev parlay -109, 1.09u

                                          That's it for now folks. Good luck.
                                          We're seeing the fights the exact same way tonight.
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                                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                                            • 04-14-16
                                            • 14140

                                            #231
                                            Originally posted by Demonata
                                            What was the point of your fight #9 pick? If it wins you still lose money from the hedges?
                                            Have Burgos in parlays so I’m on him net.
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                                            • Hugo de Naranja
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                                              • 04-14-16
                                              • 14140

                                              #232
                                              Originally posted by the1yankee
                                              Got some
                                              like a lot
                                              plays Hugo. Gl tonite
                                              Thanks Yank!
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                                              • Demonata
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                                                #233
                                                Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                Have Burgos in parlays so I’m on him net.
                                                Ok thanks man. I just wasn't sure if I'm already drunk yet
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                                                • Shagdogy
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                                                  #234
                                                  Originally posted by MMANick
                                                  We're seeing the fights the exact same way tonight.
                                                  Well then extra good luck to you sir! I must admit I don't have super high hopes.
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                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                    • 12-10-09
                                                    • 83686

                                                    #235
                                                    Here we go good luck fellas.. I'm going with the first 3 dogs winning ITD.. Tibau got first up... Small stuff though.. $50 a pop on each...

                                                    $50.00 $420.50 Pending 1/20/18 7:00pm MMA Props Fighting 2005 Tibau wins inside distance +841* vs Not Tibau inside distance
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                                                    • Shagdogy
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                                                      • 06-16-10
                                                      • 3564

                                                      #236
                                                      Tibau is a freak.
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                                                      • TPowell
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                                                        • 02-21-08
                                                        • 18842

                                                        #237
                                                        Tibau by DEC would be a great start. I really think he wins the grappling/strength part of this fight and I'm not sold on Islam's striking at all even though I don't trust Tibau's chin
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                                                        • TPowell
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 02-21-08
                                                          • 18842

                                                          #238
                                                          andddd thats why
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                                                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                            • 04-14-16
                                                            • 14140

                                                            #239
                                                            Originally posted by Demonata
                                                            Ok thanks man. I just wasn't sure if I'm already drunk yet
                                                            No problem that was a good question.
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                                                            • Hugo de Naranja
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 04-14-16
                                                              • 14140

                                                              #240
                                                              Wow Islam starched him. I did not see that one coming.
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                                                              • turbozed
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                                                                • 10-15-08
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                                                                #241
                                                                First KO victory for Islam since 2011. What a way to start the night.
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                                                                • JIBBBY
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 12-10-09
                                                                  • 83686

                                                                  #242
                                                                  Caught him cold and on the chin.. Oh well.. Tibau got dropped big time..
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                                                                  • Shagdogy
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                                                                    #243
                                                                    I guess I shouldn't have bought off my Mak bet and just trusted myself. Oh well. Barzola wins and it's all good. Let's turn on that pace, Enrique.
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                                                                    • Demonata
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                                                                      • 07-12-11
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                                                                      #244
                                                                      I think bessette wins this fight
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                                                                      • TPowell
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                                                                        • 02-21-08
                                                                        • 18842

                                                                        #245
                                                                        Originally posted by Demonata
                                                                        I think bessette wins this fight

                                                                        Big power shot or sub from the bottom is only chance IMO. Barzola COULD become a top 15 guy IMO. Excellent top control wrestler with good strength and his striking is constantly evolving. Bessette a little bit of a journeyman
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