UFC 211: Miocic vs. Dos Santos 2 (May 13, 2017)

[JIBBBY]

I'll be playing MAIA on the straight and that's it!!.. I'm not messing around with the sub or decision props as I think it could go either way...

At plus money on the Maia straight that will be fine with me.. I'm loading up Demian Maia in this one.. $500 a pop...

[JIBBBY]

Anyone like Yair as the slight dog against Frankie Edgar? I'm thinking he has a chance... Yair is a pretty solid fighter all around.. Active as well... Not sure Frankie can out work him, Yair has never lost a decision...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yair-Rodriguez-106305

UFC 211 - Featherweight 3 rounds - American Airlines Center - Dallas, Texas - PPV

Sat 5/13		1301 Yair Rodriguez		+115	o2½ -230
10:30PM		1302 Frankie Edgar		-135	u2½ +190

I give him a shot at the KO... Could go to decision though..

1329

Rodriguez wins by TKO/KO

+465

1307

Rodriguez wins by 3 round decision

+271

[firekillex]

would need Yair at over +150 to take him in this spot , Frankie should outwork him for 3 rounds

[RussianMike]

Questioning Joanna

Anyone else here questioning just how little power Joanna has in her striking game? Watching tape of her fight with Letourne can't help but notice she's thrown over 200 strikes, her main go-to style appears to be standup boxing/kickboxing, still throwing and landing crisp strikes deep into the 5th round, yet doesn't appear to be any physical damage on Letourne much considering the strikes she's taken. That includes the two front kicks she ate in the 2nd round. Champion or not, hard to get behind a striker who can't even knock a broad to the ground despite 200+ strikes.

[slikec]

Personally i am very surprised Edgar is only -135. Guy lost only to Aldo 2x and 2x to Benson(which personally both fights i would give him win) and 1x long time ago to Maynard. Yair so far didnt win or lose vs any real contender so personally i think The Answer will be big bet for me unless some of you experts will make me question it

[bjpenn85]

Neh. As long as frankie doesnt get KOed. If frankie wins, he still has a lot better fighters on his bucket list. Stephanson, swanson, mendes etc. Much better than Yair. Yair is flashy but, he does also present an interesting style matchup. But his bjj isnt on par with frankies.

[JIBBBY]

Maybe you guys are right.. Frankie has fought the better competition.. Aldo was his only loss in recent years.. Frankie by decision is probably the call.. Maybe Hedge with the Yair KO prop...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Frankie-Edgar-14204

1311

Edgar wins by 3 round decision

+128

1329

Rodriguez wins by TKO/KO

+465

[JIBBBY]

Anyone else here questioning just how little power Joanna has in her striking game? Watching tape of her fight with Letourne can't help but notice she's thrown over 200 strikes, her main go-to style appears to be standup boxing/kickboxing, still throwing and landing crisp strikes deep into the 5th round, yet doesn't appear to be any physical damage on Letourne much considering the strikes she's taken. That includes the two front kicks she ate in the 2nd round. Champion or not, hard to get behind a striker who can't even knock a broad to the ground despite 200+ strikes.

That's why Jo by decision prop is valued so low.. I got her winning by decision with these shiiity odds.. It will be a point contest standing round after round that Jo should win.. These little chicks are both tough enough and lack power so it should go the distance..

1111

Jedrzejczyk wins by 5 round decision

+122

[rsynweap84]

That's why Jo by decision prop is valued so low.. I got her winning by decision with these shiiity odds.. It will be a point contest standing round after round that Jo should win.. These little chicks are both tough enough and lack power so it should go the distance..

1111

Jedrzejczyk wins by 5 round decision

+122

I wouldn't say Andrade lacks any power here, up at bantamweight heck yea, she was just to small for that division, this will be JJ's strongest opponent so far. Couple that with the fact that Karolina did catch JJ at one point and rock her for a moment, I think Andrade has a good chance at hurting JJ...if she goes that route.

JJ has good TDD, but so far even when taken down, she has even better skills to get back up. Gadelha gassed herself out in their second fight because she couldn't hold this lil' beanpole girl down, she would wiggle her butt straight back to the fence and stand right back up. Andrade might be able to use her muscle to hold her in place, and ride heavy on top of JJ, her ground game is very good, more than a problem for JJ if she isn't allowed to wiggle back to the fence.

My chief concern with Andrade is her cardio, in her 3 rounders she's looked fine at the end, tired but not completely destroyed by exhaustion...

JJ has freakish beanpole super-cardio...hell in some of her fights she looks like she gets even more aggressive and active the later the fight goes, her last one against Gadelha was insane as far as showing off her cardio for 5 rounds...this will not be an issue for JJ.

Pure and simple, if Andrade wants the win here, I think it happens ITD. Otherwise I think JJ gets the dec.

[UncleChael]

Theyre just training in the living room, i fukking love it. I see the Seahawks on their tv.

[JIBBBY]

I wouldn't say Andrade lacks any power here, up at bantamweight heck yea, she was just to small for that division, this will be JJ's strongest opponent so far. Couple that with the fact that Karolina did catch JJ at one point and rock her for a moment, I think Andrade has a good chance at hurting JJ...if she goes that route.

JJ has good TDD, but so far even when taken down, she has even better skills to get back up. Gadelha gassed herself out in their second fight because she couldn't hold this lil' beanpole girl down, she would wiggle her butt straight back to the fence and stand right back up. Andrade might be able to use her muscle to hold her in place, and ride heavy on top of JJ, her ground game is very good, more than a problem for JJ if she isn't allowed to wiggle back to the fence.

My chief concern with Andrade is her cardio, in her 3 rounders she's looked fine at the end, tired but not completely destroyed by exhaustion...

JJ has freakish beanpole super-cardio...hell in some of her fights she looks like she gets even more aggressive and active the later the fight goes, her last one against Gadelha was insane as far as showing off her cardio for 5 rounds...this will not be an issue for JJ.

Pure and simple, if Andrade wants the win here, I think it happens ITD. Otherwise I think JJ gets the dec.

Well in MMA it's all about what have you done for me lately?

Andrade has finished in 2 of her last 3 fights in the UFC..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jessica-Andrade-100715 She is also on a 3 fight win streak... Finished by KO and Sub.. Also went the distance with Hill who is tough and game...

Jo is an undefeated fighter... That's is something you always have to factor in and consider..

Back to the numbers and what have you done for me lately? Jo has won her last 3 fights by decision and finds ways to win.. The factor that stands out is she won those fights by UN... She won rounds in other words..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Joann...zejczyk-101411

Jo by UN decision is the call me tinks and - yep for the insurancee hedge, Andrade ITD like you suggest rsynweep isn't a bad idea at those +260 odds..

So this is how you play it - I think you bet heavier on Jo by UN and then bet just for insurance on the Andrade ITD to play it safe..

1105 Andrade wins inside distance

+263

1147 Jedrzejczyk wins by 5 rd unanimous dec

+230

[Hugo de Naranja]

Well in MMA it's all about what have you done for me lately?

Andrade has finished in 2 of her last 3 fights in the UFC..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jessica-Andrade-100715 She is also on a 3 fight win streak... Finished by KO and Sub.. Also went the distance with Hill who is tough and game...

Jo is an undefeated fighter... That's is something you always have to factor in and consider..

Back to the numbers and what have you done for me lately? Jo has won her last 3 fights by decision and finds ways to win.. The factor that stands out is she won those fights by UN... She won rounds in other words..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Joann...zejczyk-101411

Jo by UN decision is the call me tinks and - yep for the insurancee hedge, Andrade ITD like you suggest rsynweep isn't a bad idea at those +260 odds..

So this is how you play it - I think you bet heavier on Jo by UN and then bet just for insurance on the Andrade ITD to play it safe..

1105 Andrade wins inside distance

+263

1147 Jedrzejczyk wins by 5 rd unanimous dec

+230

Not a bad way to play it and my current bets on the fight are something like that. I think it's possible that Andrade hurts JJ multiple times but doesn't finish, like in her fight with Hill. JJ is one of my all-time favorite fighters but I think this is a horrendous matchup for her. If she does pull it out, I think she will have several more title defenses against the current Strawweight competition.

[JIBBBY]

^^Why do you think this is a horrendous match up for JJ Hugo? How do you think the fight will play out?

[RussianMike]

Huh? Give me goblues opinon. He bets large. If you go 2K on poirier by KO i surely pay attention...

Don't understand what u mean. Are you saying I should brag about how much I'm laying on my pick and that would cause you to take the opinion seriously? Sorry I don't get it man

[RussianMike]

really starting to like miocic at -120 odds... think he improved since the last fight and JDS has regressed from his plenty wars

also maia +400 decision prop could be juicy , not sure he finishes masvidal in this one i think he may control the positioning and ride a decision out , gotta look more into this scrap though

If Maia controls enough to win a decision, he will surely finish Masvidal first. Mavidal too impatient lately and IMO been fighting too arrogantly in bad spots to not get submitted pretty much soon as he is on the ground. His games not tight enough for Maia, who's is? Will look to scramble up soon as he's on the ground and that's too much opportunity for maia. Can't possibly see him just being controlled for two out of three rounds without being submitted.

[bjpenn85]

Don't understand what u mean. Are you saying I should brag about how much I'm laying on my pick and that would cause you to take the opinion seriously? Sorry I don't get it man

I dont care how people come across if they lay 2k. Its a forum where people brag all the time or complain if they loose. If you lay 5 dollars on any bet i dont care. If you lay 2k, i care. Its not that complicated.

[RussianMike]

Theyre just training in the living room, i fukking love it. I see the Seahawks on their tv.

Lol. Riding the ole air mattress while throwing down 200k is about as hood as it gets. Masvidal
Showing off true rigga nich skills.

[rsynweap84]

Well in MMA it's all about what have you done for me lately?

Andrade has finished in 2 of her last 3 fights in the UFC..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jessica-Andrade-100715 She is also on a 3 fight win streak... Finished by KO and Sub.. Also went the distance with Hill who is tough and game...

Jo is an undefeated fighter... That's is something you always have to factor in and consider..

Back to the numbers and what have you done for me lately? Jo has won her last 3 fights by decision and finds ways to win.. The factor that stands out is she won those fights by UN... She won rounds in other words..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Joann...zejczyk-101411

Jo by UN decision is the call me tinks and - yep for the insurancee hedge, Andrade ITD like you suggest rsynweep isn't a bad idea at those +260 odds..

So this is how you play it - I think you bet heavier on Jo by UN and then bet just for insurance on the Andrade ITD to play it safe..

1105 Andrade wins inside distance

+263

1147 Jedrzejczyk wins by 5 rd unanimous dec

+230

Aye, I'm down on this and Maia, think we might do okay in this one...definitely do not see Andrade gettin' a 5 round Dec. unless somethin' goes horribly wrong...but while JJ might not a been finished yet, I been waitin' for this gal to fight her since she dropped down to this division.

@Hugo: I dunno about horrible match-up, but if by horrible you mean toughest so far then absolutely yes...this girl is hungry, and lethal standing and on the ground. One of the fights I am most looking forward to watchin'

[brooks85]

Personally i am very surprised Edgar is only -135. Guy lost only to Aldo 2x and 2x to Benson(which personally both fights i would give him win) and 1x long time ago to Maynard. Yair so far didnt win or lose vs any real contender so personally i think The Answer will be big bet for me unless some of you experts will make me question it

I look at edgar as a system play. I just bet him and move on unless he is fighting aldo. Given the line and yair's lack of experience I see nothing to worry about. If yair pulls it off good for him but I haven't seen anything to suggest he can compete with edgar. Edgar would have to regress quite a bit.

[Sanity Check]

I lost faith in Frankie Edgar after he lost to an aging Jose Aldo the 2nd time & did nothing in his last fight with Jeremy Stephens. Jose barely did anything until the last 1-2 minutes of his 2nd fight with Frankie Edgar and Edgar still managed to lose.

It used to be that BJ Penn stopped evolving & Frankie beat him. Now Frankie Edgar is the one who stopped evolving & if Frankie doesn't get Yair on his back, I think Yair will smash him.

[JIBBBY]

I dont care how people come across if they lay 2k. Its a forum where people brag all the time or complain if they loose. If you lay 5 dollars on any bet i dont care. If you lay 2k, i care. Its not that complicated.

I agree bjpenn..

I think if you are worth alot of money and bet 5 grand on each bet and lose then that hurts.. If you a regular Joe with a hard working job and after paying all your bills bet ten bucks a pop and lose that probably hurts just as much..

Bragging is overrated unless you really need the forum attention and can deliver...



Personal note - I gave all my bet points to the SBR Casino play which I never play all this week after hitting 10,000 finally.. Felt like doing it as I need a new challenge.. Don't need anything from the SBR store either.. I'm completly zero'd out today and don't even have the daily 12..... Need to be pushed to cap properly... Just felt like sharing



Anyways, betting and posting units do cover up dollar amounts so I understand why people post that instead of dollar amounts..

For me it's just easier to copy and paste off 5dimes history then to figure out unit size amounts wagered with each bet...

Just keeping it real and expanding on your post BJ during this MMA down time..
I like your style BJ!!!

[JIBBBY]

I lost faith in Frankie Edgar after he lost to an aging Jose Aldo the 2nd time & did nothing in his last fight with Jeremy Stephens. Jose barely did anything until the last 1-2 minutes of his 2nd fight with Frankie Edgar and Edgar still managed to lose.

It used to be that BJ Penn stopped evolving & Frankie beat him. Now Frankie Edgar is the one who stopped evolving & if Frankie doesn't get Yair on his back, I think Yair will smash him.

Can't argue this logic..

[Hugo de Naranja]

^^Why do you think this is a horrendous match up for JJ Hugo? How do you think the fight will play out?

I think hand speed and striking volume are big advantages that JJ relies on to win her fights and I don't think she has them here. Add to that Andrade's power TDs and finishing ability on the feet and the mat and you have a terrible matchup for the champion. That said, I love JJ and I'll live bet her if she loses the early rounds. She is very tough and won both of her last two bouts despite being knocked down.

[Sanity Check]

Jorge Masvidal wants to bet Dana White 200k he will defeat Demian Maia.

http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/jorge-masvidal-challenges-dana-white-to-bet/

[bjpenn85]

I agree bjpenn..

I think if you are worth alot of money and bet 5 grand on each bet and lose then that hurts.. If you a regular Joe with a hard working job and after paying all your bills bet ten bucks a pop and lose that probably hurts just as much..

Bragging is overrated unless you really need the forum attention and can deliver...



Personal note - I gave all my bet points to the SBR Casino play which I never play all this week after hitting 10,000 finally.. Felt like doing it as I need a new challenge.. Don't need anything from the SBR store either.. I'm completly zero'd out today and don't even have the daily 12..... Need to be pushed to cap properly... Just felt like sharing



Anyways, betting and posting units do cover up dollar amounts so I understand why people post that instead of dollar amounts..

For me it's just easier to copy and paste off 5dimes history then to figure out unit size amounts wagered with each bet...

Just keeping it real and expanding on your post BJ during this MMA down time..
I like your style BJ!!!

If a regular guy bet a lot on a bet, its more credible than a rich guy obviously. Betting units doesnt cover up dollar amount for several reasons.

Playing big bucks alter strategy. Its challenging mentally. Its not the same as betting 50 or 100 dollar bet. If you bet more you also get so heavily restricted its hard to bet.

One article in one of norways largest newspaper that came out yesterday, a former employe at at larger betting company told "everything". He said, nobody can win big amounts on betting, because they will restrict everyone who wins. He even said, they know a lot of member so well, especially they who loose big, they know them so well, they know who your lover is.

Anyway, its easy to say, i place 2 units on this bet. Its hard to actually lay 2k, mentally. IMO.

[GoBlue77]

I'll be playing MAIA on the straight and that's it!!.. I'm not messing around with the sub or decision props as I think it could go either way...

At plus money on the Maia straight that will be fine with me.. I'm loading up Demian Maia in this one.. $500 a pop...

yikes. thats some fail.

masvidal for $2,000 for me. he even wanted to bet dana white on this fight.

[JIBBBY]

If a regular guy bet a lot on a bet, its more credible than a rich guy obviously. Betting units doesnt cover up dollar amount for several reasons.

Playing big bucks alter strategy. Its challenging mentally. Its not the same as betting 50 or 100 dollar bet. If you bet more you also get so heavily restricted its hard to bet.

One article in one of norways largest newspaper that came out yesterday, a former employe at at larger betting company told "everything". He said, nobody can win big amounts on betting, because they will restrict everyone who wins. He even said, they know a lot of member so well, especially they who loose big, they know them so well, they know who your lover is.

Anyway, its easy to say, i place 2 units on this bet. Its hard to actually lay 2k, mentally. IMO.

You do get restricted when you start betting large and win regularly.. I've always seemed to hang around that $100 per bet range for as long as I can remember and that seems to work for me... I hate being restricted and cut off..

[JIBBBY]

yikes. thats some fail.

masvidal for $2,000 for me. he even wanted to bet dana white on this fight.

It's only a fail if it loses.. May the best man win..

Maia takes down Masvidal just like he does everyone else and then it's game over once he takes the back or mounts... Easy money...

Masvidal is gonna lose that bet to Dana White also if the boss takes it..

[Teem]

A few quick questions because I know most of you here use 5dimes for betting. I hope nobody minds me asking. Do you guys ever have any problems with withdrawals on 5dimes? Also, do you ever have a problem with cashing those international checks into your banks? Isn't it like you have to have at least $1,000 before you can even request cashing out?

[bjpenn85]

A few quick questions because I know most of you here use 5dimes for betting. I hope nobody minds me asking. Do you guys ever have any problems with withdrawals on 5dimes? Also, do you ever have a problem with cashing those international checks into your banks? Isn't it like you have to have at least $1,000 before you can even request cashing out?

They typically charge 15 dollar per withdrawal. They have a limit of one withdrawal per week, of 5000 dollars. They prefer if you both deposit and withdraw with bitcoin, since bitcoin is difficult to track for the authorities. A criminals currency heaven

[bjpenn85]

yikes. thats some fail.

masvidal for $2,000 for me. he even wanted to bet dana white on this fight.

2k on dos santos, 2 k on mavidal. Thats close fights. What was your number on dos santos? I know some got him at +170

[JIBBBY]

They typically charge 15 dollar per withdrawal. They have a limit of one withdrawal per week, of 5000 dollars. They prefer if you both deposit and withdraw with bitcoin, since bitcoin is difficult to track for the authorities. A criminals currency heaven

Yep more and more books are pushing for Bitcoin deposits and withdrawls.. Some even offer Bonus's and incentives just to use bitcoin.. Bovada is on board with Bitcoin clearly these days...

[brooks85]

I lost faith in Frankie Edgar after he lost to an aging Jose Aldo the 2nd time & did nothing in his last fight with Jeremy Stephens. Jose barely did anything until the last 1-2 minutes of his 2nd fight with Frankie Edgar and Edgar still managed to lose.

It used to be that BJ Penn stopped evolving & Frankie beat him. Now Frankie Edgar is the one who stopped evolving & if Frankie doesn't get Yair on his back, I think Yair will smash him.

you mean the best fighter out there?

yeah, I'm ok with that.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

It will be interesting to see how big the size difference really is when Maia/Masvidal square up at the weigh ins. Only a 2 inch height difference but Maia has fought at 185 and Masvidal has fought most of his fights at 155

[Squareguy]

It will be interesting to see how big the size difference really is when Maia/Masvidal square up at the weigh ins. Only a 2 inch height difference but Maia has fought at 185 and Masvidal has fought most of his fights at 155

This is one reason why I'm going large on Maia. Lesser men have taken Masvidal to the ground and Maia is the largest opponent he'll have fought. An iron will doesn't get blood to your brain.