[raiders72001]

You are right, Wagerr is not ready to compete against the big boys yet and won't be able to until it is much more seemless. You have to discuss blockchain now when describing it, otherwise it makes zero sense. They understand this and development is working to make it so seemless blockchain won't have to be the leading conversation, but of course this will take time.

I feel a lot of this discussion is like what Elon Musk must have felt with Tesla. People telling him, you have limited options, no gas, no way to drive long distances, on and on. Meanwhile Elon looks crazy saying my electric car will be faster than almost all gas powered cars, there will be a network of charging stations, the cars will have the ability to drive themselves, and Tesla will be the most valuable car manufacturer in the world. Most people didn't buy that first model and that is okay, the first model wasn't made for prime time, but it didn't mean that the promise wasn't there. I see Wagerr in the same light. It makes zero sense sportsbooks get to make billions in profits off of us when they aren't needed and can be replaced by technology... just a matter of time

I'm not sure if you're serious or not but to the point of discussing blockchain. It took people years to accept bitcoin. They aren't going to accept blockchain betting. Saying automated without details is better.

[Go_Rilla]

Wagerr DED, scam obvious, nothing to see here..

[raiders72001]

This is not a case of you have to wait between repops, you literally repop as fast as you can click the mouse button.

I mean who do you want as a client:

1. A person that plays all sports, live betting and chases. (Coin price goes up)

2. A person that specializes in one or two sports, line searches and is willing to just keep hitting the bet button. (Coin price goes down.)

[raiders72001]

There's a few of these projects out there, Wagerr is the best right now. The one that succeeds will be the one that figures out what players want, not the one with the best technology.

[CryptoDgen]

There's a few of these projects out there, Wagerr is the best right now. The one that succeeds will be the one that figures out what players want, not the one with the best technology.

Actually there are actually no other onchain sportsbooks, if you know of one please let me know I'd be interested.

I think people want to bet as much as possible, on as many things as possible, as easily as possible, and with the best odds as possible. Again Wagerr is not there yet, but that is the long term vision and goal, which is why I'm so excited. The biggest difference is that traditional sportsbooks are the exact same, except for the last point because their last point is "and make as much profit as possible". Because of that eventually they will have to lose. I definitely think it won't be in my lifetime that traditional sportsbooks go away, but eventually they will take a huge hit.

[Go_Rilla]

The same characteristics that make Wagerr innovative are the same reasons that make it hard to market and difficult to get on large exchanges. 8 million market cap for the most innovative sports betting project that actually works is a joke when you compare it to other projects in the space, that either offer nothing new or don't even work with 200 mil+ market caps. It's kind of sad that it's getting so much hate on this forum.

[raiders72001]

Actually there are actually no other onchain sportsbooks, if you know of one please let me know I'd be interested.

I think people want to bet as much as possible, on as many things as possible, as easily as possible, and with the best odds as possible. Again Wagerr is not there yet, but that is the long term vision and goal, which is why I'm so excited. The biggest difference is that traditional sportsbooks are the exact same, except for the last point because their last point is "and make as much profit as possible". Because of that eventually they will have to lose. I definitely think it won't be in my lifetime that traditional sportsbooks go away, but eventually they will take a huge hit.

I have no idea what's going on with these projects right now since I'm more involved with NFTs/games/play to earn now but here's what I know of. They may have folded for all I know.

BookiePro
Wink
Augur
CHPZ
VNLA
SX

[semibluff]

When you ask for feedback but try your damnedest to not hear the feedback it's amazing what you can not hear.

[raiders72001]

https://mychipz.io/ This looks like it may be pretty good. The token's done well the last month although very little volume. CHPZ

[raiders72001]

9/22/21

Additionally, mychipz.io has announced renowned UFC champion, Nick Diaz, as its first major brand ambassador. In promotion of this announcement, Chipz has extended the CHPZ public sale and NFT giveaway until the press conference for his fight at UFC 266, where he will be wearing a Chipz cap and promoting the project.Later this month, the DeFi betting innovator plans to release a selection of Chipz mini-games alongside other exciting market releases leading up to the platform’s Q4 launch.

Importantly, mychipz.io allows its users to become independent bookkeepers. Users take bets from each other for many different sports using the platform’s native ERC-20 token, CHPZ.

https://zycrypto.com/mychipz-io-anno...nd-ambassador/

[CryptoDgen]

I have no idea what's going on with these projects right now since I'm more involved with NFTs/games/play to earn now but here's what I know of. They may have folded for all I know.

BookiePro
Wink
Augur
CHPZ
VNLA
SX

All of these are either not functional, not onchain, or are an exchange. Like I said, there are no others.

[CryptoDgen]

https://mychipz.io/ This looks like it may be pretty good. The token's done well the last month although very little volume. CHPZ

Looks interesting, but ideas are easy to sell, making a functional product is very difficult. Unfortunately this is like 99.99% of crypto, all idea and no working product.

[raiders72001]

All of these are either not functional, not onchain, or are an exchange. Like I said, there are no others.

I know I'm being brutally honest but you guys have a great product and aren't properly marketing it nor do you know what your target audience should be. It's frustrating from where I'm sitting because I like your project. Nick Diaz is promoting Chipz Saturday night UFC.

[raiders72001]

for his fight at UFC 266, where he will be wearing a Chipz cap and promoting the project.

....

[Alfie White]

"Place your bets in USDC, win in USDC"

This is the MAIN thing which makes CHPZ better, you don't risk coin with coin value. If Wagerr would do something like this, it would be far more worthwhile for everyday joe.

[raiders72001]

When you ask for feedback but try your damnedest to not hear the feedback it's amazing what you can not hear.

This is brilliant since it's gone on the whole thread.

[CryptoDgen]

"Place your bets in USDC, win in USDC"

This is the MAIN thing which makes CHPZ better, you don't risk coin with coin value. If Wagerr would do something like this, it would be far more worthwhile for everyday joe.

You know you literally can't bet there right?

Even if you could this would be horrible for the average Joe. Do you know how much the gas fee to place a bet could be?

[raiders72001]

CryptoDgen, are you part of the Wagerr team?

[Alfie White]

You know you literally can't bet there right?
Even if you could this would be horrible for the average Joe. Do you know how much the gas fee to place a bet could be?

You didn't invent a wheel with Wagerr, check NFTs on Solana / ETH, everyone is a copycat with only few real new products, so there will be a spinoff of Wagerr and Chipz, no question about it.

For the moment, only crypto enthusiasts who understand it and people who genuinely are limited on all places would have this as a worthwhile addition to their portfolio.

For 1) they see the limitations and potential risks of the Wagerr platform and they most likely would stay out of it; and 2) there are so many proper places where you can bet with better limits and better odds so they really don't have real incentive to join Wagerr.

Your most wanted market is average Joe and friends, they will not jump trough so many hoops to get WGR and then jump even more hoops to get FIAT back.

You ignoring these simple fact is ludicrous, yes it has amazing features, yes it has transparency, yes it is groundbreaking, but with 40k USD average daily turnover... you can't expect that anyone serious would adopt and put their money with your platform.

CryptoDgen, are you part of the Wagerr team?

There is no point to think they aren't, it is obvious they are and that they are swarming here to "teach" us, although we have far more knowledge and are showing obvious wholes in their game. Speaking with them as if they were normal everyday bettors is redundant.

[Go_Rilla]

The only team membet here is SSS from what I know. I live in Vegas and I'm geo-restricted from Pinnacle and Bet-fair, so the only good odds I can get are on Wagerr. I also hate dealing with bookmakers as it's always a me vs them situation. In Wagerr is a community vibe, yes we love it when there is a huge burn but when someone wins big it's no big deal because there are more rewards for people running masternodes.

How you guys are so risk avers for people that bet on sports is something I don't understand. Just like in sports you make an educated guess, is this currency more likely to go up or more likely to go down, for me it's a simple answer.

Every project chooses a path at the beginning, most choose to follow regulations and make more of the same and blow all the development money on marketing. Wagerr said F the regulators we're gonna max out on innovation and give sports bettors what they want, because of that now they have problems marketing and getting on big exchanges so it's on everybody that wants the benefits of Wagerr to spread the word.

[Alfie White]

"Wagerr said F the regulators"

You will have so much fun before you know it.

I get what you (and some others) are saying, it is completely fine to use this kind of an alternative if you reside in heavily scrutinised (restricted) areas. But for everyone else, there is far better products out there.

Let me put it like this, what is more convenient for random person?
1) To jump trough so many hoops to get "good odds" and 400 USD limit per click; or
2) Use some of the product that are well established already with higher limits and better odds?

For most people 2) is more appealing. For likes of you, Wagerr is simply way to go as you cannot do it anywhere else, but saying it is new sliced bread for everyone is being delusional. It is a product for specific niche and it should be treated that way for the moment. At least until it is out from "infancy" phase.

[Optional]

Wagerr DED, scam obvious, nothing to see here..

You alone have done more to damage the credibility of the project with your BS in this thread than any naysayer answering you.

"Wagerr has NO LIMITS"
"Wagerr has best odds in world"

What else was there that you claimed but turns out to be Untrue again... I'm sure you made even more ridiculous statements like that. Speaking of scammers. Might be a smart idea to shut you ignorant trap and let someone else like CryptoDegen actually talk about it, without making shit up!


Take your bat and ball and go back to your hype it and hope buddies ya butthurt, cry baby, misinformation spreader. They won't call you out to justify your hype. A nice Safe Space for you to spout your lies unchallenged ;-)

[Optional]

The only team membet here is SSS from what I know. I live in Vegas and I'm geo-restricted from Pinnacle and Bet-fair, so the only good odds I can get are on Wagerr. I also hate dealing with bookmakers as it's always a me vs them situation. In Wagerr is a community vibe, yes we love it when there is a huge burn but when someone wins big it's no big deal because there are more rewards for people running masternodes.

How you guys are so risk avers for people that bet on sports is something I don't understand. Just like in sports you make an educated guess, is this currency more likely to go up or more likely to go down, for me it's a simple answer.

Every project chooses a path at the beginning, most choose to follow regulations and make more of the same and blow all the development money on marketing. Wagerr said F the regulators we're gonna max out on innovation and give sports bettors what they want, because of that now they have problems marketing and getting on big exchanges so it's on everybody that wants the benefits of Wagerr to spread the word.

You sir, are a goose.

Which regulator have you told to F off?

if your community can somehow stop you trying to market for them, it would be a positive for them.

And where are these sports bettors you are giving what they want btw? You are talking to one of the bigger and oldest sport bettor communities there is, and although I know many would like what you describe, almost all of them can clearly see you cannot give us what you keep claiming.


And good luck getting any traction in the market if Wagerr really thinks it can say F you to regulators with so many responsible entities so easily traceable.

Or is that just another of your made up claims?? Has that happened or is it really official project policy?? Or are you talking more guff??

[CryptoDgen]

CryptoDgen, are you part of the Wagerr team?

No, but why does that matter? If I'm speaking the truth doesn't matter who I am. But if you really want to know, I'm a bettor (if you want to make some money with me follow on Twitter @CryptoDgen shameless plug lol). I live in a restricted area, I've been burned by World Sports Exchange and The US government when they stole my poker money at Full Tilt and Absolute Poker. I stopped gambling online. When BTC went to $20,000 in the first big bull market I started researching blockchain and realized that it was the perfect technology for sportsbetting. I started researching projects and found Wagerr. I keep a close eye on all projects in this space as I truly believe this is the future. I have even invested in one of the ones you listed previously, BookiePro (Peerplays), but they never got off the ground. So, in other words I've done a ton of research, I doubt there are many that know the crypto sportsbetting space more than I do. I like educating others about it, because I'm hoping it can speed up adoption.

One thing that has been stated is that at this moment Wagerr is only good for people in restricted areas and that is a niche market. There are billions of people that fall into this category. Crypto is still new, so is Wagerr, but adoption of both is growing every day. So there are still a ton of people that won't benefit from Wagerr today, but I think it's still a cool concept to discuss.

[raiders72001]

No, but why does that matter? If I'm speaking the truth doesn't matter who I am. But if you really want to know, I'm a bettor (if you want to make some money with me follow on Twitter @CryptoDgen shameless plug lol). I live in a restricted area, I've been burned by World Sports Exchange and The US government when they stole my poker money at Full Tilt and Absolute Poker. I stopped gambling online. When BTC went to $20,000 in the first big bull market I started researching blockchain and realized that it was the perfect technology for sportsbetting. I started researching projects and found Wagerr. I keep a close eye on all projects in this space as I truly believe this is the future. I have even invested in one of the ones you listed previously, BookiePro (Peerplays), but they never got off the ground. So, in other words I've done a ton of research, I doubt there are many that know the crypto sportsbetting space more than I do. I like educating others about it, because I'm hoping it can speed up adoption.

One thing that has been stated is that at this moment Wagerr is only good for people in restricted areas and that is a niche market. There are billions of people that fall into this category. Crypto is still new, so is Wagerr, but adoption of both is growing every day. So there are still a ton of people that won't benefit from Wagerr today, but I think it's still a cool concept to discuss.

1. Because you have your own chain that automatically makes you decentralized.
2. You have a Twitter account where you show people how to make money.

[raiders72001]

You know you literally can't bet there right?

Even if you could this would be horrible for the average Joe. Do you know how much the gas fee to place a bet could be?

You could move to a chain with small fees for stablecoins.

[raiders72001]

One more question, why don't you have more sports? You guys just seem to move slow and it's very simple for you guys to do. You've already done all the heavy lifting. Just grab lines from Pinny or Bookmaker and auto move. It seems you're doing that already so there's not much risk.

[CryptoDgen]

1. You feel like Elon Musk.
2. Because you have your own chain that automatically makes you decentralized.
3. You have a Twitter account where you show people how to make money.

Do you charge for plays? Are you a professional gambler?

It's obvious you don't actually want to learn about sportsbetting on the blockchain, otherwise you would ask questions, not make claims as if they are truth than repeatedly have to correct your misunderstandings. You're running out of false claims so you're making personal attacks, sad. If you really wanted to know about my Twitter you can literally look it up and find the answers to your questions, but you don't care about the answers you're doing your best to tarnish me personally for some reason. For the record, now that I have to defend myself, I tweet all my picks for free and I'm a proven winner. I think I'm done responding to you now unless I have to unfortunately clear up any more of your false attacks.

[raiders72001]

It's obvious you don't actually want to learn about sportsbetting on the blockchain, otherwise you would ask questions, not make claims as if they are truth than repeatedly have to correct your misunderstandings. You're running out of false claims so you're making personal attacks, sad. If you really wanted to know about my Twitter you can literally look it up and find the answers to your questions, but you don't care about the answers you're doing your best to tarnish me personally for some reason. For the record, now that I have to defend myself, I tweet all my picks for free and I'm a proven winner. I think I'm done responding to you now unless I have to unfortunately clear up any more of your false attacks.

I deleted the Elon Musk post, it was a low blow. I've corrected what I said mistakenly. If you see any false claims that I made that haven't been corrected, then post it.

[raiders72001]

To a bettor, you aren't doing anything unique since they don't care what goes on behind the scenes. We see it as limiting our bets to $350 and having to trust a book running on it's own chain with it's own token. It makes no sense to switch from the bitcoin books we currently use.

[raiders72001]

And you won't get attacked if you stop teaching us about sports betting. That's like me teaching you about your chain.

[Go_Rilla]

You alone have done more to damage the credibility of the project with your BS in this thread than any naysayer answering you.

"Wagerr has NO LIMITS"
"Wagerr has best odds in world"

What else was there that you claimed but turns out to be Untrue again... I'm sure you made even more ridiculous statements like that. Speaking of scammers. Might be a smart idea to shut you ignorant trap and let someone else like CryptoDegen actually talk about it, without making shit up!


Take your bat and ball and go back to your hype it and hope buddies ya butthurt, cry baby, misinformation spreader. They won't call you out to justify your hype. A nice Safe Space for you to spout your lies unchallenged ;-)

I could give 2 shts about what anybody thinks I'm just speaking my mind, and by miss representing Wagerr you're not helping anybody but the traditional sportbooks that are paying your salary.

[DontTailMe]

I could give 2 shts about what anybody thinks I'm just speaking my mind, and by miss representing Wagerr you're not helping anybody but the traditional sportbooks that are paying your salary.

Oh, that's a good one. Now insult the rest of us who aren't deriving any income from a sportsbook review website!

[raiders72001]

I could give 2 shts about what anybody thinks I'm just speaking my mind, and by miss representing Wagerr you're not helping anybody but the traditional sportbooks that are paying your salary.

Optional's fair. He doesn't toe the line. He's not going to bash every non advertiser or praise every advertiser. He even held Nitrogen to the fire the other day when the case was debatable. Now it looks like Nitrogen is in the right since the player was multi-accounting from a restricted country.

[raiders72001]

No, but why does that matter? If I'm speaking the truth doesn't matter who I am. But if you really want to know, I'm a bettor (if you want to make some money with me follow on Twitter @CryptoDgen shameless plug lol). I live in a restricted area, I've been burned by World Sports Exchange and The US government when they stole my poker money at Full Tilt and Absolute Poker. I stopped gambling online. When BTC went to $20,000 in the first big bull market I started researching blockchain and realized that it was the perfect technology for sportsbetting. I started researching projects and found Wagerr. I keep a close eye on all projects in this space as I truly believe this is the future. I have even invested in one of the ones you listed previously, BookiePro (Peerplays), but they never got off the ground. So, in other words I've done a ton of research, I doubt there are many that know the crypto sportsbetting space more than I do. I like educating others about it, because I'm hoping it can speed up adoption.

One thing that has been stated is that at this moment Wagerr is only good for people in restricted areas and that is a niche market. There are billions of people that fall into this category. Crypto is still new, so is Wagerr, but adoption of both is growing every day. So there are still a ton of people that won't benefit from Wagerr today, but I think it's still a cool concept to discuss.

What you guys have built is very complicated and time consuming. For us to understand what we "need or want" to know is very easy. It would have been better for you guys to pick our brains and listen to see what we wanted. We didn't need 9 pages of lessons and hard sell.