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    lordgaith2019
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    Pinnacle or Betting exchanges

    I will explain my situation and i need help from you guys :

    i'm from Tunisia, i will start betting with plan of 2 normal picks daily based on bankroll : 10000$ and with volume in each Pick = 500 $

    the problem is i'm confused about starting with Pinnacle or betting exchanges, because many posts said that if you start to have a long time profit, you will get banned

    can someone help me guys ?

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    Optional
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    You wont be banned from Pinnacle for winning.

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    lordgaith2019
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    You wont be banned from Pinnacle for winning.
    Even with long time Profit equal to 1500 $ monthly ?

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    Hello lordgaith,

    Welcome to SBR.

    1st of all I would reconsider to increase the betting bank, I mean in points value. 20 points bank is on a short side of any betting systems, no matter what is the strike rate of the system. If you are serious about it and wanna be in this "game" for a long time, make sure to protect the bank at any costs. Like if the starting bank in $ is 1000 and historical biggest loss of my system is 20 points I would calculate my stake with 40 points, so my stake would be $25/bet.

    2nd - if you are going to use cumulative BB, research where you can get a bet with increased stake for the markets you bet on. For some markets it may apply even for your starting stake - some markets have quite "low" limits. Usually BF (other exchanges mostly on very liquid markets only) has enough liquidity on everything but smaller competitions.

    3rd you need to consider that if you think you are going to be profitable enough there is a nice tax on your winnings at BF - 20% - when you reach certain conditions. I would put this at around 50.000 profit at BF.

    You did not mention what sport(s)/market(s) you would be interested in. It matters as you can find probably enough money for you to bet on Match (Moneyline), O/U, AH (Line) but quite low limits on some obscure markets.
    Til I had access to Pinnacle I never was limited. Of course my starting bank was not as high as you plan but eventually it increased and gone over but I was betting on very liquid markets in football (soccer), tennis, MLB, NBA, NFL. And did not hear anybody being limited by Pinnacle. They might decrease their limits on some markets after some big bets but I do not think it was targeted to any account holder(s).

    And there is always one rule you need to follow - it's you who decide to bet or not and where, of course, you can ask advise from others but it's up to you to make these decisions. There are a lot of more experienced people on this forum than me, they might give you better advice.
    Remember, there is only 1-2% of people making profit from betting.

    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josy View Post
    Hello lordgaith,

    Welcome to SBR.

    1st of all I would reconsider to increase the betting bank, I mean in points value. 20 points bank is on a short side of any betting systems, no matter what is the strike rate of the system. If you are serious about it and wanna be in this "game" for a long time, make sure to protect the bank at any costs. Like if the starting bank in $ is 1000 and historical biggest loss of my system is 20 points I would calculate my stake with 40 points, so my stake would be $25/bet.

    2nd - if you are going to use cumulative BB, research where you can get a bet with increased stake for the markets you bet on. For some markets it may apply even for your starting stake - some markets have quite "low" limits. Usually BF (other exchanges mostly on very liquid markets only) has enough liquidity on everything but smaller competitions.

    3rd you need to consider that if you think you are going to be profitable enough there is a nice tax on your winnings at BF - 20% - when you reach certain conditions. I would put this at around 50.000 profit at BF.

    You did not mention what sport(s)/market(s) you would be interested in. It matters as you can find probably enough money for you to bet on Match (Moneyline), O/U, AH (Line) but quite low limits on some obscure markets.
    Til I had access to Pinnacle I never was limited. Of course my starting bank was not as high as you plan but eventually it increased and gone over but I was betting on very liquid markets in football (soccer), tennis, MLB, NBA, NFL. And did not hear anybody being limited by Pinnacle. They might decrease their limits on some markets after some big bets but I do not think it was targeted to any account holder(s).

    And there is always one rule you need to follow - it's you who decide to bet or not and where, of course, you can ask advise from others but it's up to you to make these decisions. There are a lot of more experienced people on this forum than me, they might give you better advice.
    Remember, there is only 1-2% of people making profit from betting.

    GL

    thank you very much for your answer i will probably use pinnacle but, can i ask something : is 500$ % in soccer pick consider high or something ?

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    I afraid I cannot answer it for you.
    It should be answered by you how much is $500/pick. It differ from person to person.
    I do not know your financial situation. You should be prepared to lose all of your bank.
    If it does not worry you than try to burn $500 and see how painful or not to watch it burn.
    Ok, the last idea was a joke.
    But, actually, it would tell you how much is it for you. It requires some confidence to bet that size except you are OK to lose the whole bank.
    Especially when a loosing run will hit and it's WHEN not IF.
    At Pinnacle you would be able to place that size of bet on most main markets without any problems.

    If I would just starting this "business" now, I would start small. And would withdraw half of initial BB when I would reach 50% of ROC. And again at next 50% ROC but leave accumulating after that.

    If that is correct what you mentioned earlier:

    - 2 picks/day
    - $500/pick
    - $1500 profit/month

    Lets say there are 50 picks/month than it would be, to achieve that profit, the ROI of 6%.
    It's not bad for soccer if it can be maintained for long, long time.
    I would think you are planning to bet on very short odds favorites. Also I can be wrong, of course.
    Consider that short odds favorites lose way more times that most of people would think.
    It's true not just for horse racing but for soccer, tennis and all other sports too.

    It's just my two cents.
    Decisions are made by you.

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    500 for pinnacle is nothing

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    You won't get limited in Pinnacle but your limits can be cut, not dramatically hopefully. Not all players have equal limits in Pinnacle. For example, my limit for X game can be 80$ while it can be 400$ for you. Hopefully, you can bet much as you want, only odds change. So we can say there's theorotically no limit in Pinnacle, if you accept to get lesser odds, you can bet infinite. There's max limits for some betting brokers/agents though. Don't expect to bet 20k on Turkish 2nd League for example.
    Last edited by Sawyer; 02-04-19 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgaith2019 View Post
    Even with long time Profit equal to 1500 $ monthly ?
    On soccer? You can make $1500 a day, everyday and still not worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgaith2019 View Post
    Even with long time Profit equal to 1500 $ monthly ?

    1 500 monthly ? That is nothing for them.

    I use to have loosing/winning streak from minus 50 000 to plus 50 000 (monthly) and never got limited...

    the maximum wager limits seems to be unchanged for years ( I am at Pinnacle for over 15 years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgaith2019 View Post
    Even with long time Profit equal to 1500 $ monthly ?
    Yes, there is no problem with doing that there.

    Their slogan is "winners welcome".

    Many very large bettors play there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
    You won't get limited in Pinnacle but your limits can be cut, not dramatically hopefully. Not all players have equal limits in Pinnacle. For example, my limit for X game can be 80$ while it can be 400$ for you. Hopefully, you can bet much as you want, only odds change. So we can say there's theorotically no limit in Pinnacle, if you accept to get lesser odds, you can bet infinite. There's max limits for some betting brokers/agents though. Don't expect to bet 20k on Turkish 2nd League for example.
    Is it true that Pinnacle cuts limits on individual players in individual markets ? They advertise themselves and declare that they do not cut the wagers of successful players. I have ceased to understand what is happening. So we are cheated ?

    If player A wants a bet of $ 500, and they take $ 100 from him, and at the same time, player B takes $ 500 - this is a contradiction to their motto.
    Last edited by USSR80; 02-05-19 at 09:56 AM.

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    So far as I know, Pinny doesn't limit individually. Agents' accounts have 1/2 limits of original accounts, and there are relatively low limits on their early lines. So a line can start with a 250$ limit and become 2-3k on the match day.

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    Pinny limits extremely sharp accounts.

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    one word EDGE

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    if you plan to hit soft soccer lines then go with exchanges. no bookie will keep you forever once you start killing them on low popular soccer games (personal experience)

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    You can try sportmarket.com (or use any agent that offers mollybet). That way you get access to all Pinnacle soccer markets as well as a bunch of other bookies that do not limit. You'll often get higher limits on games that way and don't have to worry about getting limited either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadekmeister View Post
    Pinny limits extremely sharp accounts.
    Could you please tell in more detail what is meant "extremely sharp accounts" ?
    This is a certain value of the total amount of money withdrawal from the account, it is a serious success on small markets, etc ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    You wont be banned from Pinnacle for winning.
    No instead they will make your life miserable by making it next to impossible for you to withdrawal your winnings. They love to reverse withdrawal requests even though you followed all of the withdrawal rules. They lie by sending you bogus email saying that your withdrawal request was processed when it has not been processed. They lie about withdrawal reversals by making up retarted excuses that don't make sense after the same problem happens time and time again. Of course you are only going to have this problem if you are up big on small deposit amounts. Pinnacle doesn't welcome winners that is a gimmic! What sportsbook loves bigtime winners? Like give your head a shake! Pinnacle slogan about welcoming winners is a bunch a crap. You wanna find out? Start to win big and then try to withdrawal the winnings. That is when you will see exactly what Pinnacle sportsbook is. You will not be impressed you can trust me on that one.

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    He is just an arber thats all

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