[themike78]

As usual they are taking a long time to grade bets. About an hour wait on baseball and football. This book would be so much better if they would just grade the games fast like most books. I don't understand why that is so difficult for them.

[poker6469]

As usual they are taking a long time to grade bets. About an hour wait on baseball and football. This book would be so much better if they would just grade the games fast like most books. I don't understand why that is so difficult for them.

they always grade my bets within a couple minutes.

[luctens]

From the sportsbooks' point of view, the quicker they grade the bets and update your balance the better, as the quicker you have your winnings in your balance the quicker they have the chance for you to lose it all back to them, so it's certainly not in any sportsbooks' interests to delay grading of the bets. I would expect the slower to grade sportsbooks have crap data feed providers at least on some sports who take way longer than other providers to update the results to then allow the sportsbooks to grade the bets.

[themike78]

For some reason the bitcoin only books are slow to grade. All of the other books grade games within minutes. It is frustrating because nitrogen processes payouts very fast but most of the time you have to wait on them to grade the wagers which can take hours. I had to send support 2 messages to grade a baseball game. 2 hours after the game ended it showed up in my account. That is unacceptable.

[evo34]

I'm sure it's that they have to manually check every result. If you allow people to make instant withdrawals, grading will prob. not be instant as well, or you'll be out of business in a hurry.

[PharaohUB]

I'm sure it's that they have to manually check every result. If you allow people to make instant withdrawals, grading will prob. not be instant as well, or you'll be out of business in a hurry.

This. They don't have the leeway in traditional sense of books of being able to have a grace period for mistakenly graded wagers so they probably do them all manually. I wouldn't be against them instituting a policy that accounts with pending wagers have to go under manual review before withdraws but I'm not sure the IT implications of this for them and if it's feasible. I'm sure it's something they have considered.

HOWEVER. Not grading NFL wagers within a few minutes is not acceptable. THey should have someone on the ready to grade games as they finish. At least for straight bets and sides. Other markets I'll give them a pass.

[rockmvp1209]

Just leave nitrogen if you hate them so much

[ParlayKing1986]

Usually ill shoot whoever the admin is in the chat room a request for my bet to be graded and gets done within a couple minutes.

[themike78]

Just leave nitrogen if you hate them so much

I don't hate them. I think they are one of the best books around. If they could grade faster and offer a few more betting options they would probably be the best.

[Kindred]

Just a guess on my part, but since bitcoin only books payout fast and many people withdraw soon as the game is graded, maybe they take longer to grade as a security precaution to make sure it's correct, because they can't get the coins back once they payout. That being said I've never noticed any delays in grading compared to non bitcoin books, seems about the same speed. I'm usually not checking my balance as soon as the game is over though so it's possible I just haven't noticed the difference.

[habitualwinning]

I don't hate them. I think they are one of the best books around. If they could grade faster and offer a few more betting options they would probably be the best.

They already are the best as far as I'm concerned. Who's better? Quickest deposits and payouts and lines very comparable to Pinny. First A++ book. If you bet on really obscure lines on there, they can take a while to get graded. I've bet on reverse runlines and prop bets in MLB before and they took a couple hours to get graded. All of my regular bets on there, spreads, totals, moneylines etc. have always been graded quickly, within a few minutes of the game ending.

[ParlayKing1986]

No live betting holds them back imo

[PharaohUB]

They already are the best as far as I'm concerned. Who's better? Quickest deposits and payouts and lines very comparable to Pinny. First A++ book. If you bet on really obscure lines on there, they can take a while to get graded. I've bet on reverse runlines and prop bets in MLB before and they took a couple hours to get graded. All of my regular bets on there, spreads, totals, moneylines etc. have always been graded quickly, within a few minutes of the game ending.

Fairlay is a million times better. Their payouts are faster. They have better odds, more lines, More live betting, and basically no limits. It's not even close. The only drawback is they require a confirmation for your deposit and nitro does not.

[raiders72001]

Fairlay is a million times better. Their payouts are faster. They have better odds, more lines, More live betting, and basically no limits. It's not even close. The only drawback is they require a confirmation for your deposit and nitro does not.

Fairly recently changed ownership. They are in beta and they seed the market.

[habitualwinning]

No live betting holds them back imo

I don't live bet much at all but I have noticed on there that they have live lines during football games.

Fairlay is a million times better. Their payouts are faster. They have better odds, more lines, More live betting, and basically no limits. It's not even close. The only drawback is they require a confirmation for your deposit and nitro does not.

That's fair, no pun intended, but I find what you say hard to believe. So you're telling me a deposit takes less than 30 seconds and a payout takes less than 7 minutes on Fairlay? Those are my average times on Nitrogen. As far as better odds, I'm sure they are better. A betting exchange will almost always have better lines than a book. That's why I said book. It's like comparing a Vegas casino/book to an offshore one. Are they the same, sure. Are they really the same thing...no. To be fair we should be comparing books to books and exchanges to exchanges.

[raiders72001]

Fairlay is a million times better. Their payouts are faster. They have better odds, more lines, More live betting, and basically no limits. It's not even close. The only drawback is they require a confirmation for your deposit and nitro does not.

When they set their lines on major events such as the NFL, they seed the market and use Pinnacles lines dropping it by one cent. Nitrogen uses Pinnacle lines and they add one cent.

I was sure that they seeded the market using Pinnacle lines dropping it 1 cent under the original owner.

It seems to be the same under new ownership but I haven't verified it yet.

edit- I'll do some more research on this but they seem to be using Pinnacle lines. This means that they are 1 cent better than Nitrogen. If an offer is made other than the seeded lines, then the offer may be better than Pinnacle.

[raiders72001]

Fairlay said that ownership stayed the same but that the development team changed.

[RonPaul2008]

SBR should do a review on Fairlay.

[evo34]

Raiders: do you have any knowledge as to how well-capitalized they are?

[raiders72001]

Raiders: do you have any knowledge as to how well-capitalized they are?

They said after they are out of beta mode that they are going to post the bitcoin address of their wallet in cold storage. We will be able to see the balance at that time.

The original owner was Martin. He was very upfront with everything and I trusted him. With the changes, I'm not 100% sure of anything.

They stated that the owner(s) are the same but also stated earlier that Martin's not in charge of day to day operations.

[PharaohUB]

I don't live bet much at all but I have noticed on there that they have live lines during football games.



That's fair, no pun intended, but I find what you say hard to believe. So you're telling me a deposit takes less than 30 seconds and a payout takes less than 7 minutes on Fairlay? Those are my average times on Nitrogen. As far as better odds, I'm sure they are better. A betting exchange will almost always have better lines than a book. That's why I said book. It's like comparing a Vegas casino/book to an offshore one. Are they the same, sure. Are they really the same thing...no. To be fair we should be comparing books to books and exchanges to exchanges.

Like I said deposits do take longer. They need a confirmation which makes sense since they are an exchange. Withdraws are literally like 5 seconds.

[PharaohUB]

When they set their lines on major events such as the NFL, they seed the market and use Pinnacles lines dropping it by one cent. Nitrogen uses Pinnacle lines and they add one cent.

I was sure that they seeded the market using Pinnacle lines dropping it 1 cent under the original owner.

It seems to be the same under new ownership but I haven't verified it yet.

edit- I'll do some more research on this but they seem to be using Pinnacle lines. This means that they are 1 cent better than Nitrogen. If an offer is made other than the seeded lines, then the offer may be better than Pinnacle.

Do you know where they get the live lines? They have better options than any other bitcoin site I've seen

[PharaohUB]

When they set their lines on major events such as the NFL, they seed the market and use Pinnacles lines dropping it by one cent. Nitrogen uses Pinnacle lines and they add one cent.

I was sure that they seeded the market using Pinnacle lines dropping it 1 cent under the original owner.

It seems to be the same under new ownership but I haven't verified it yet.

edit- I'll do some more research on this but they seem to be using Pinnacle lines. This means that they are 1 cent better than Nitrogen. If an offer is made other than the seeded lines, then the offer may be better than Pinnacle.

Do you know where they get the live lines? They have better options than any other bitcoin site I've seen

[raiders72001]

Do you know where they get the live lines? They have better options than any other bitcoin site I've seen

Pinnacle

[raiders72001]

Bitcoin book total visits per month.

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