[tb1984]

Using them with an intermediary wallet gives them deniability. It does matter. They can bust anyone if they want. They have the capability. Gambling is obviously a big part of their business. Don't give them a reason to shut you down.

Umm.. Circle does not even give players chances to deny, because they know what you're doing. Again, just don't raise red flags for your account at Circle or Coinbase.

[Optional]

Nope, like I said, all of your bitcoin transactions are public, and they will never go away, they exist on the Blockchain ledger forever. When Circle or Coinbase put a review on your account, it does not matter that you use middle man or not, they will see all your transactions from your account -> middle wallets -> books. Just a quick reference:

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blockchain.asp

Based on the Bitcoin protocol, the blockchain database is shared by all nodes participating in a system. The full copy of the blockchain has records of every Bitcoin transaction ever executed. It can thus provide insight about facts like how much value belonged a particular address at any point in the past.

Thanks Capt Obvious.

Anyway, the original comment that it's bad advice to use them directly with any books stands. Whether you get why or not.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Circle knows people are using their services for gambling. They only bust a certain number of people. Union of the West and Grams of Money only bust a certain number of people. They bust a certain type of person and a few people just are unlucky. You fit a certain profile, you are going down. You fit another profile, you can do as you please unless you just are part of a quota.

[Optional]

Umm.. Circle does not even give players chances to deny, because they know what you're doing. Again, just don't raise red flags for your account at Circle or Coinbase.

Well they may not have asked you as you pushed it into their face and gave them no option but to close you maybe?

But they definitely DO ask in most cases.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...rce-funds.html

It's very obvious they wont close your account unless YOU MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE for them not to.

[tb1984]

Thanks Capt Obvious.

Anyway, the original comment that it's bad advice to use them directly with any books stands. Whether you get why or not.

Well they may not have asked you as you pushed it into their face and gave them no option but to close you maybe?

But they definitely DO ask in most cases.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...rce-funds.html

It's very obvious they wont close your account unless YOU MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE for them not to.

Of course, it's Obvious that you don't know how bitcoin protocol works.

I guess when you lose your face, calling people name is the only way out. It might be better to know the system.

[Optional]

I guess when you lose you face, calling people name is the only way out. It might be better to know the system.

Dude, first you posted bad advice.

Then you responded to me explaining the blockchain record stays forever, which is irrelevant to this matter. I get that you think it's key, but it's not. What you say is true but until the day Circle Wants to chase people and make assumptions in the way you are thinking they act... it's irrelevant.

Then to defend your position you posted a full on lie that Circle wont even ask for an excuse for their records. And if not a lie it was totally incorrect misinformation in any case.


Just suck it up and accept that your advice to use bookmakers directly with exchange wallets was bad and stop digging.

[tb1984]

Dude, first you posted bad advice.

Umm... you are the one that called me out first. I was just trying to engage in a discussion, but I guess if you are a moderator, and people don't agree with you, you can attack them.

Then you responded to me explaining the blockchain record stays forever, which is irrelevant to this matter. I get that you think it's key, but it's not. What you say is true but until the day Circle Wants to chase people and make assumptions in the way you are thinking they act... it's irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when Circle knows that you deal with books even though you go through middle wallets?

Then to defend your position you posted a full on lie that Circle wont even ask for an excuse for their records. And if not a lie it was totally incorrect misinformation in any case.

How is it a lie? Please ask Giant or BigDaddy, did Circle give them a chance to deny?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...ircle-com.html

Just suck it up and accept that your advice to use bookmakers directly with exchange wallets was bad and stop digging.

When I see users never go directly to books or only one time, but still get banned then what I said is not incorrect. Why do you think Circle is so sure that players gamble even though they go through middle wallets?

[Optional]

Tb. Both I and Buffalo Nickle have tried to explain how Circle generally do business multiple times but your response has been 'nope', or on that same level.

Does the fact that they closed you down without any recourse, when most others get asked and keep the account, not suggest that just maybe you do not know what you are talking about and are being given the right advice here?

Stay ignorant if you like but do not post the same misinformation any more please. You will confuse others and cause them the same problems you have had.

[BigDaddy]

TB i would still use middleman.

opti please pm where i went wrong

i would like to know since you seem to have inside knowledge


thanks

[tb1984]

Tb. Both I and Buffalo Nickle have tried to explain how Circle generally do business multiple times but your response has been 'nope', or on that same level.

Does the fact that they closed you down without any recourse, when most others get asked and keep the account, not suggest that just maybe you do not know what you are talking about and are being given the right advice here?

Stay ignorant if you like but do not post the same misinformation any more please. You will confuse others and cause them the same problems you have had.

I'm not ignorant, and please don't insult me.

And, please ask Giant, did Circle give a him a chance?

And, again, Why do you think Circle is so sure that players gamble even though they go through middle wallets?

[Optional]

TB i would still use middleman.

opti please pm where i went wrong

i would like to know since you seem to have inside knowledge


thanks

I don't know exactly BigDaddy but if you got closed down without being asked what you were doing then you would have made it so obvious what you were doing they could not justify keeping the account open.

They don't look for reasons to close accounts, as Tb pointed out they can find plenty of circumstantial evidence to support that if they wanted to act that way. They look for reasons to not close accounts.

If they didnt ask you to give then an official excuse to put on file then your account was untenable.

[BigDaddy]

obvious

lol

they raised my limts from 300 to 3k awhile back

they must have liked me

i used them for what people use them for.

should i mix in other purchases like flowers or some shit?

im being serious

would like to know for future references

[hello1234567]

Having too many transaction or volume on a daily basis could of raise red flags. Depositing and sending out coins, I don't think they would ask much, I think it is receiving the coins is what gets their attention. I wonder where and how these books store and cash their Bitcoins from without being flagged down.

[Optional]

obvious

lol

they raised my limts from 300 to 3k awhile back

they must have liked me

i used them for what people use them for.

should i mix in other purchases like flowers or some shit?

im being serious

would like to know for future references

I don't know BD. I expect if you use a lot of books and are a big volume bettor, which I think you are?, it's probably tougher than for average size bettors to stay under the radar.

The problem is that even if books use a new wallet address for each payout transaction there is almost always shreads of 'change' that have to go back to them from each transaction. If some of the change from your payment eventually gets transferred to another of the book's wallets and the person who receives it takes it straight from the book to Circle and they identify that transaction as definitely betting related, then they now have direct hard evidence of payments coming from the book to you as well.

When the change transactions are mixed into funds at other wallets it becomes less certain if you have received gambling funds or just ended up with some of the change from gambling transaction. Right now Circle seem to be only treating hard evidence as reason to close accounts and accepting whatever reason is given by people attached to less certain transactions.

It's not a simple question to answer really.

[hello1234567]

I just thought of a better way without much worry of being flagged. The benefit of Circle and Coinbase is that I can buy and get the coins instantly. Circle charges no fee for instant buys. Now withdrawals, use Localbitcoins and if there is a local Bitcoin ATM in the area, even better. I don't think Circle and CB pays much attention on deposits or where your sending the money too (low amounts of course). So I think it is safer that way around.

[hello1234567]

Have anyone here been using Airbitz and Glidera? Please chime in!

[hello1234567]

What other wallets in the US besides coinbase allow you to sell bitcoins back to your bank account? I'm afraid the same thing will happen with coinbase. I sold over 40,000 last week from coinbase back to my wallet. In some cases I used blockchain as an intermediary.

How do you manage to get out 40K of coins? How frequent were you doing it? I was no where near how much you took out and I got flagged.

[raiders72001]

Optional is right. Always use a middle man. The only time Circle/Coinbase shuts down an account without asking questions is when you have gone directly Circle/Coinbase to book at least one time. Here's a way to look at it.

Optional Circle account = OPT
Optional's blockcahin.info account= BC

OPT sends money to BC (totally anonymous account to circle). BC sends money to book. Circle knows that BC is a gambler.

Circle doesn't know if BC is a middle man, person, business or what type of wallet is being used.

Now Circle is going ask OPT questions to see if he admits to gambling. If not, then Circle has some evidence on file in case they are questioned.

If OPT has done at least 1 transaction straight OPT to book, then the paper trail tells them that OPT is using BC as a middleman and will close your account without asking questions.

[raiders72001]

Have anyone here been using Airbitz and Glidera? Please chime in!

Airbitz is fine. Bitcoin Justin recommends it.

[raiders72001]

Using them with an intermediary wallet gives them deniability. It does matter. They can bust anyone if they want. They have the capability. Gambling is obviously a big part of their business. Don't give them a reason to shut you down.

Exactly. Everyone knows that Circle accounts are being used for gambling. Just don't make it obvious.

[hello1234567]

Would Airbitz know or care about gambling like Circle or CB?

[raiders72001]

There are professional traders using Coinbase/Circle. Businesses are using Coinbase/Cirlce. These entities are going to do what's financially best for them and the volume and amount of transactions can be heavy. If not, Coinbase/Circle aren't going to stay in business.

You should be more concerned in the ways that you do transactions with books rather than the dollar amount and number of transactions with Circle/Coinbase.

[raiders72001]

Would Airbitz know or care about gambling like Circle or CB?

Airbitz is a wallet similar to blockchain.info. They don't care about gambling. Glidera is included in the Airbitz app.. Glidera is an exchange similar to Coinbase and they require the same KYC information.
Glidera is located in the US but I haven't heard of any bannings yet.

[raiders72001]

A mixer such as bitmixer.io can also be used.

[theviking]

I can recommend localbitcoin too

Just look for people(traders) with 100+ and 100% this means they have done more than 100 trades with 100% successrate

you can send several small amounts if its to "scary" with big amounts

[BigDaddy]

"Optional is right. Always use a middle man. The only time Circle/Coinbase shuts down an account without asking questions is when you have gone directly Circle/Coinbase to book at least one time. Here's a way to look at it."

raiders i never once sent straight to book from circle

not once.

i even went and double checked every transaction i did

just saying....

is electrum wallet a bad middleman?

[raiders72001]

"Optional is right. Always use a middle man. The only time Circle/Coinbase shuts down an account without asking questions is when you have gone directly Circle/Coinbase to book at least one time. Here's a way to look at it."

raiders i never once sent straight to book from circle

not once.

i even went and double checked every transaction i did

just saying....

is electrum wallet a bad middleman?

Sorry BigDaddy. I was unaware of any bannings when a player never went straight to the book. I still agree with Optional even though your account is closed.

I wish we had access to the algorithms being used at Coinbase and Circle.

Elecrtum is fine.

[tb1984]

https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy

Understanding Bitcoin traceability

Bitcoin works with an unprecedented level of transparency that most people are not used to dealing with. All Bitcoin transactions are public, traceable, and permanently stored in the Bitcoin network. Bitcoin addresses are the only information used to define where bitcoins are allocated and where they are sent. These addresses are created privately by each user's wallets. However, once addresses are used, they become tainted by the history of all transactions they are involved with. Anyone can see the balance and all transactions of any address. Since users usually have to reveal their identity in order to receive services or goods, Bitcoin addresses cannot remain fully anonymous. As the block chain is permanent, it's important to note that something not traceable currently may become trivial to trace in the future. For these reasons, Bitcoin addresses should only be used once and users must be careful not to disclose their addresses.

Your IP address can be logged

Because the Bitcoin network is a peer-to-peer network, it is possible to listen for transactions' relays and log their IP addresses. Full node clients relay all users' transactions just like their own. This means that finding the source of any particular transaction can be difficult and any Bitcoin node can be mistaken as the source of a transaction when they are not. You might want to consider hiding your computer's IP address with a tool like Tor so that it cannot be logged.

Limitations of mixing services

Some online services called mixing services offer to mix traceability between users by receiving and sending back the same amount using independent Bitcoin addresses. It is important to note that the legality of using such services might vary and be subjected to different rules in each jurisdiction. Such services also require you to trust the individuals running them not to lose or steal your funds and not to keep a log of your requests. Even though mixing services can break traceability for small amounts, it becomes increasingly difficult to do the same for larger transactions.

[raiders72001]

tb- If I buy computer equipment from you using BTC and you send that money to a sportsbook, all we know for sure is that you are a gambler. It says nothing about my account.

The article is misleading. They don't want to get into the illegal activities or how to become invisible. There are many sites where you can buy illegal drugs or anything else you want on the Darknet. Use the Tor browser.

http://thehiddenwiki.org/

Over 50% of bitcoin transactions are used for gambling. Coinbase and Circle don't want to ban us. Sometimes we force them to ban us.

[tb1984]

tb- If I buy computer equipment from you using BTC and you send that money to a sportsbook, all we know for sure is that you are a gambler. It says nothing about my account.

The article is misleading. They don't want to get into the illegal activities or how to become invisible. There are many sites where you can buy illegal drugs or anything else you want on the Darknet. Use the Tor browser.

http://thehiddenwiki.org/

Over 50% of bitcoin transactions are used for gambling. Coinbase and Circle don't want to ban us. Sometimes we force them to ban us.

All, I'm trying to say that just don't raise red flag for your account on Circle/Coinbase, but when they put a review on your account, they will find out about your gambling activities.

Sure, your example works one or two times. But if you repeat the process over and over, then even with a middle wallet, Circle/Coinbase will eventually know that you gamble.

All I'm trying to say is that just don't raise red flag for your account at Coinbase/Circle, because they will know about your gambling activities.

[raiders72001]

tb- How would you go about hiding gambling transactions from Coinbase/Circle?

Everyone knows that we are using Coinbase/Circle to gamble. It's why we use it.

[raiders72001]

One thing to do is don't go immediately go Circle - Middle wallet - Book all within a hour every time.

Leave some bitcoins in the middle wallet for a day, a week or longer at times.

[tb1984]

tb- How would you go about hiding gambling transactions from Coinbase/Circle?

Everyone knows that we are using Coinbase/Circle to gamble. It's why we use it.

As I understand, all Bitcoin transactions are permanent, public, and they never go away. That's why Giant or BigDaddy only did once or never going straight to book, but Circle was still sure that they gamble.

I'm sure that you can still see your bitcoin transactions from a year or even longer than that from any blockchain explorer. And, if I gave you one of my bitcoin addresses, you would see all of my transactions that I did with that address.

[tb1984]

nvm...

[raiders72001]

As I understand, all Bitcoin transactions are permanent, public, and they never go away. That's why Giant or BigDaddy only did once or never going straight to book, but Circle was still sure that they gamble.

I'm sure that you can still see your bitcoin transactions from a year or even longer than that from any blockchain explorer. And, if I gave you one of my bitcoin addresses, you would see all of my transactions that I did with that address.

Coinbase/Circle guess. There is no way in the world they are sure if you use an anonymous wallet some where in the process.

A person can disguise all of his bitcoin transactions if he wants.

It would help us if BigDaddy were to post all his transactions. We can look at the time stamps and all try to figure out what caused the banning. The algorithm has to keep changing.