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    My cleaning lady stole some toilet paper from my house...Can we implement some sort of program to help me recoup the losses?

    I want her banned from SBR also.

    This makes sense, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Tripe, DullAngles, & Opti way off base on this issue in my humble opinion. Bite has offered his services free of charge to clean up this forum, SBR would be absolutely foolish not to take Bite up on his generous & time consuming offer.

    I love how SBR bans a known thief for ghosting & then steals themselves, by basically confiscating the ghost/thief's pts instead of returning stolen pts to the victim. One less poster at the Bash for this reason alone:

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/poker/3261910-loan-w-juice.html
    Lol the 72k stiff checking in...

    Careful what you wish for small b

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpAngles View Post
    Lol the 72k stiff checking in...

    Careful what you wish for small b
    I never requested a pts loan, only pathetic losers solicit pts loans. Therefore, it's impossible for me to stiff anyone.

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    Stiffing a bet is worse than stiffing a loan and it's not even close.

    I wouldn't expect anyone dumb enough to not specify against gifting points to understand so carry on small b

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    BiTeMe UsAdOj with all the things you could do with your time on the forums and in life your proposal would be so far down the list.

    not saying doing it would not make SBR and this forum even more incredibly good than it is now, better and I would look at and make use of your data and summaries, but wow thats a lot of things to do with just a incremental gain overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves;26111118[B
    ]I never requested a pts loan, only pathetic losers solicit pts loans[/B]. Therefore, it's impossible for me to stiff anyone.
    I wonder if you have that attitude because you got stiffed by Snicker and the baseball guy for thousands of Points?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxAaron View Post
    My cleaning lady stole some toilet paper from my house...Can we implement some sort of program to help me recoup the losses?

    I want her banned from SBR also.

    This makes sense, right?
    You don't have a cleaning lady. Maybe mom cleans houses and stole a few rolls here and there to get the good stuff but again you want so bad to sound the big shot and yet you can't pay your bets for what most would consider smaller figures.

    Come on now, something doesn't add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downsouth View Post
    You don't have a cleaning lady. Maybe mom cleans houses and stole a few rolls here and there to get the good stuff but again you want so bad to sound the big shot and yet you can't pay your bets for what most would consider smaller figures.

    Come on now, something doesn't add up.
    You have no idea what I can or cannot pay. I'll tell you what I will not pay, and that's anyone who has slandered me and was purposefully difficult.

    I'm sorry that you believe that having someone come clean your house once a week is "big shot" status lol. But keep saving up those bet points... Soon enough you'll be able to take your kids to Applebee's.

    I'll have more on the redsox tonight than most the forum bets in a month. Want me to hurt your feelings with a screenshot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpAngles View Post
    Stiffing a bet is worse than stiffing a loan and it's not even close.

    I wouldn't expect anyone dumb enough to not specify against gifting points to understand so carry on small b
    I assume you're ignorantly speaking about my bet with DS, where I clearly stated no loans. DS ignorantly claims he gifted 100k to Tat. Yet Tat doesn't have the 100k, as he returned it to DS. Nobody gifts 100k & nobody returns gifts, as it's considered rude behavior. Therefore it wasn't a gift. It was clearly a loan ignorantly disguised as a gift, in a lame attempt to circumvent our bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    I wonder if you have that attitude because you got stiffed by Snicker and the baseball guy for thousands of Points?
    Those who stiffed me have nothing to do with my attitude, still have 20k+ despite all the stiffs.

    Those who can't generate their own pts on this site, are pathetic losers. Most solicit loans because they're too impatient to generate their own pts. Others solicit loans because they irresponsibly didn't plan for pro renewal, & they're too much of a broke dikk to pony up a c-note for charity gift renewal.

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    Fukin guy worrying about someone slandering his SCREEN NAME on an Internet forum. Funny shit.

    Just pay your loan back playa

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    Look at the two "cases" mentioned in this thread Bite.

    1) Txarron is saying he doesn't owe Yis anything. Where do you go from here? Simply say bad luck about your opinion/defense TA as I know Yis and believe him and not you. Or that you don't agree with his standards that he doesn't need to pay back people who make it difficult for him? Or are you going to run around looking for documented evidence to support your opinion? What about evidence to support both sides? Will you spend lots of time trying to give Arron an equal hearing when you already think he should be punished?


    What if a poster decides they will call you names and just bald faced lie at you about something that cant be proven and laugh about it? Will you get mad and personally butt hurt and punish them anyway? Or will you require proper evidence? What standard of evidence? Will you take action just based on your educated guess about stuff?


    2) A few posts above Bobbywaves says he doesn't owe Downsouth for a bet because he "clearly stated no loans". Is that enough defense? Does Bobby have to go find this post and prove himself or can he just say "that's not my problem, it was said somewhere." And do you then have to audit his posts? What if he says it was agreed by PM but he has cleared them since then? Obviously you, I and most readers think Bobby never said that but when it comes to things that are impossible to confirm or refute, what are you going to do?

    What if Bobby waves complains the bet was offered in good faith and Downsouth only took it because he saw an opportunity to angle shoot on what Bobby thought he was offering?

    What if Bobby says "I wasn't serious about the bet" it was a point being made during an argument and not meant as a serious offer?

    Would you even consider those two arguments?


    And then, what punishment do you dole out for each of these particular guys? Is one of these worth an infraction, just a warning, maybe cancelling points use, a ban... for how long?

    Once you set a precedent whatever you do in future will be criticized based on your previous decisions. No matter what decision you make and no matter how obvious you think it may be, I promise you that there is always people who dont agree and will passionately argue that both you and SBR have only made that decision because 'PICK ONE: sponsor demands/in bed with book/just assholes/stupid and know nothing/just don't care' ... or the ones that makes me never (usually) enter into serious discussion with the person ever again; "you're just a self important mod who loves SBR/I know you have to say that".


    And lastly, as much as we all here may like and trust you... I don't think SBR would trust me to be making public pronouncements about stuff like this, which they then had to own and backup when complaints inevitably come in after EVERY decision made. So I expect they would feel similar about you.

    Those are really rhetorical questions Bite. But hopefully they help you stop dreaming that ANY "case is obvious" and easy to sort out fairly. Approximately none would be 'simple'.




    And to take this full circle. I go back to my first comment. In MY OPINION, the only way SBR will ever get more involved in policing of your personal points loans is to ban loans altogether. I may be wrong of course but that is my considered opinion and maybe this overly long post might help you understand why I think that, so you can stop acting like I am just trying to be difficult or don't understand or am disagreeing due to some sort of emotional reason or confused loyalty to SBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Look at the two "cases" mentioned in this thread Bite.

    1) Txarron is saying he doesn't owe Yis anything. Where do you go from here? Simply say bad luck about your opinion/defense TA as I know Yis and believe him and not you. Or that you don't agree with his standards that he doesn't need to pay back people who make it difficult for him? Or are you going to run around looking for documented evidence to support your opinion? What about evidence to support both sides? Will you spend lots of time trying to give Arron an equal hearing when you already think he should be punished?


    What if a poster decides they will call you names and just bald faced lie at you about something that cant be proven and laugh about it? Will you get mad and personally butt hurt and punish them anyway? Or will you require proper evidence? What standard of evidence? Will you take action just based on your educated guess about stuff?


    2) A few posts above Bobbywaves says he doesn't owe Downsouth for a bet because he "clearly stated no loans". Is that enough defense? Does Bobby have to go find this post and prove himself or can he just say "that's not my problem, it was said somewhere." And do you then have to audit his posts? What if he says it was agreed by PM but he has cleared them since then? Obviously you, I and most readers think Bobby never said that but when it comes to things that are impossible to confirm or refute, what are you going to do?

    What if Bobby waves complains the bet was offered in good faith and Downsouth only took it because he saw an opportunity to angle shoot on what Bobby thought he was offering?

    What if Bobby says "I wasn't serious about the bet" it was a point being made during an argument and not meant as a serious offer?

    Would you even consider those two arguments?


    And then, what punishment do you dole out for each of these particular guys? Is one of these worth an infraction, just a warning, maybe cancelling points use, a ban... for how long?

    Once you set a precedent whatever you do in future will be criticized based on your previous decisions. No matter what decision you make and no matter how obvious you think it may be, I promise you that there is always people who dont agree and will passionately argue that both you and SBR have only made that decision because 'PICK ONE: sponsor demands/in bed with book/just assholes/stupid and know nothing/just don't care' ... or the ones that makes me never (usually) enter into serious discussion with the person ever again; "you're just a self important mod who loves SBR/I know you have to say that".


    And lastly, as much as we all here may like and trust you... I don't think SBR would trust me to be making public pronouncements about stuff like this, which they then had to own and backup when complaints inevitably come in after EVERY decision made. So I expect they would feel similar about you.

    Those are really rhetorical questions Bite. But hopefully they help you stop dreaming that ANY "case is obvious" and easy to sort out fairly. Approximately none would be 'simple'.




    And to take this full circle. I go back to my first comment. In MY OPINION, the only way SBR will ever get more involved in policing of your personal points loans is to ban loans altogether. I may be wrong of course but that is my considered opinion and maybe this overly long post might help you understand why I think that, so you can stop acting like I am just trying to be difficult or don't understand or am disagreeing due to some sort of emotional reason or confused loyalty to SBR.
    Some good points here Opti...can't speak for Bite, but for me (and possibly most folks?) any action would require clear evidence, such as:

    -proof an agreement was made. For most current loans, this is usually present: the borrower usually posts requesting the loan and acknowledging it as well, and the lender offers terms of interest and repayment windows. It might be a bit trickier trying to sort out who was "jokingly" wagering and who was offering a serious bet (as a select few like to make bets they have no intention of being accepted or honoring if accepted), but I think it's safe to say you could enforce any wagers that both parties agree was made seriously, and most wagers meet this criteria.

    -distinction between "paying as agreed", "slow-pay" and "stiff: This would often be difficult given that most lenders don't specify a hard deadline, but if it was enforceable, most people would likely include a deadline in their terms. For bets, there is a similar amount of evidence present in most wagers.

    Most of the current stiff jobs are fairly concrete: the stiff acknowledges the debt but states they refuse to repay it for some flimsy excuse they invent to rationalize their poor behavior, as is the case with both the stiffs you mention. I'm not saying it's in SBR's best interest to take action, but if they chose to, they could definitely do so based on hard evidence that an agreement was made and violated.

    As I think about it, perhaps the best solution would be a voluntary/market-based one: have people include in their standard loan offerings provisions that the borrower agrees to have infractions and/or bans placed on them if they don't meet certain repayment criteria. All it takes is one agreed-upon standard detailed in a post that could be referenced, and violations could easily be enforced by SBR as the borrower agrees to the infraction/ban. With some modifications along those lines, something like my standard terms (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post22593317) could make enforcement of this whole thing a lot easier.

    Opti (and others), what do you think about SBR handing out penalties agreed to by the borrower in the event a stated term is broken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Look at the two "cases" mentioned in this thread Bite.

    1) Txarron is saying he doesn't owe Yis anything. Where do you go from here? Simply say bad luck about your opinion/defense TA as I know Yis and believe him and not you. Or that you don't agree with his standards that he doesn't need to pay back people who make it difficult for him? Or are you going to run around looking for documented evidence to support your opinion? What about evidence to support both sides? Will you spend lots of time trying to give Arron an equal hearing when you already think he should be punished?


    What if a poster decides they will call you names and just bald faced lie at you about something that cant be proven and laugh about it? Will you get mad and personally butt hurt and punish them anyway? Or will you require proper evidence? What standard of evidence? Will you take action just based on your educated guess about stuff?


    2) A few posts above Bobbywaves says he doesn't owe Downsouth for a bet because he "clearly stated no loans". Is that enough defense? Does Bobby have to go find this post and prove himself or can he just say "that's not my problem, it was said somewhere." And do you then have to audit his posts? What if he says it was agreed by PM but he has cleared them since then? Obviously you, I and most readers think Bobby never said that but when it comes to things that are impossible to confirm or refute, what are you going to do?

    What if Bobby waves complains the bet was offered in good faith and Downsouth only took it because he saw an opportunity to angle shoot on what Bobby thought he was offering?

    What if Bobby says "I wasn't serious about the bet" it was a point being made during an argument and not meant as a serious offer?

    Would you even consider those two arguments?


    And then, what punishment do you dole out for each of these particular guys? Is one of these worth an infraction, just a warning, maybe cancelling points use, a ban... for how long?

    Once you set a precedent whatever you do in future will be criticized based on your previous decisions. No matter what decision you make and no matter how obvious you think it may be, I promise you that there is always people who dont agree and will passionately argue that both you and SBR have only made that decision because 'PICK ONE: sponsor demands/in bed with book/just assholes/stupid and know nothing/just don't care' ... or the ones that makes me never (usually) enter into serious discussion with the person ever again; "you're just a self important mod who loves SBR/I know you have to say that".


    And lastly, as much as we all here may like and trust you... I don't think SBR would trust me to be making public pronouncements about stuff like this, which they then had to own and backup when complaints inevitably come in after EVERY decision made. So I expect they would feel similar about you.

    Those are really rhetorical questions Bite. But hopefully they help you stop dreaming that ANY "case is obvious" and easy to sort out fairly. Approximately none would be 'simple'.




    And to take this full circle. I go back to my first comment. In MY OPINION, the only way SBR will ever get more involved in policing of your personal points loans is to ban loans altogether. I may be wrong of course but that is my considered opinion and maybe this overly long post might help you understand why I think that, so you can stop acting like I am just trying to be difficult or don't understand or am disagreeing due to some sort of emotional reason or confused loyalty to SBR.

    I understand why SBR does not get involved in details of loans. Just for your above statement however concerning number 2. I most definitely saw an angle to shoot and anyone who judged our scenario would have been forced to side with me.

    The only thing I wish SBR would get involved with is when they ban a poster (usually a ghost) who has recently borrowed points form someone. That would be pretty easy to check where the points came from before confiscating them.

    Ive accepted nothing will change and understand why alot of it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxAaron View Post
    You have no idea what I can or cannot pay. I'll tell you what I will not pay, and that's anyone who has slandered me and was purposefully difficult.

    I'm sorry that you believe that having someone come clean your house once a week is "big shot" status lol. But keep saving up those bet points... Soon enough you'll be able to take your kids to Applebee's.

    I'll have more on the redsox tonight than most the forum bets in a month. Want me to hurt your feelings with a screenshot?
    I have a pretty good idea of what you couldn't pay. And classic stiff behavior with the I'm not paying someone who slandered or deceived me. Give me a break, you made bets, you lost. Guy didnt "slander" you until you drug ass and couldn't pay.

    And its not that solely having a cleaning lady is big time, you just try so hard that it screams desperation (see your final two sentences in your above posts for proof). But thanks for the tip on Applebees, obviously since I don't consistently tell everyone what I have that I must be busted up and just jealous of keyboard millionaires such as yourself.

    And if you bet half what you claim to it makes your stiff job even more pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxAaron View Post
    I'll have more on the redsox tonight than most the forum bets in a month. Want me to hurt your feelings with a screenshot?
    Post the screenshot of your $2 Red Sox win, or it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    Opti (and others), what do you think about SBR handing out penalties agreed to by the borrower in the event a stated term is broken?
    Only the higher ups could really answer that. It sounds like SBR getting involved in point loans to me still though.



    Quote Originally Posted by downsouth View Post


    I understand why SBR does not get involved in details of loans. Just for your above statement however concerning number 2. I most definitely saw an angle to shoot and anyone who judged our scenario would have been forced to side with me.

    The only thing I wish SBR would get involved with is when they ban a poster (usually a ghost) who has recently borrowed points form someone. That would be pretty easy to check where the points came from before confiscating them.

    Ive accepted nothing will change and understand why alot of it is what it is.
    Bobby didn't say either of those things. Was just trying to use those two 'obvious cases' to illustrate how messy it can get if you try to set up a fair judgement system. And the sort of stuff people will say/do once you set up a clear set of rules they can analyze to work around. The number of people who bet on stuff with slight listing description errors and then come back complaining their loser should be void after the event is almost embarrassing as a gambler myself. Just like the Bobby situation, they are 'technically' within their rights... but are they right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Only the higher ups could really answer that. It sounds like SBR getting involved in point loans to me still though.





    Bobby didn't say either of those things. Was just trying to use those two 'obvious cases' to illustrate how messy it can get if you try to set up a fair judgement system. And the sort of stuff people will say/do once you set up a clear set of rules they can analyze to work around. The number of people who bet on stuff with slight listing description errors and then come back complaining their loser should be void after the event is almost embarrassing as a gambler myself. Just like the Bobby situation, they are 'technically' within their rights... but are they right?
    Yup, they'd be getting involved, but it should be easier...essentially, they're just having out punishments that were requested by the borrower in advance, right? As you say, higher ups would have to weigh in, and who knows if it would work....but it would be interesting to me at least to see how well a market-regulated gambling market could go.

    I'm with ya on screwups...it's never made any sense to me how a book can void a bad line that it offers because they deem it "too good to be true". I'm of the opinion that if you offer a line, you should honor it, and if you're going to void a line, you should do it for winners and losers alike...that's how it works with pretty much every other service business, and I imagine books would be forced to adopt a similar policy if they ever became mainstream enough.

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    I'm pretty sure most mainstream books do always void both sides of any market. We'd see examples posted a lot if it was policy to just cancel winners due to errors.

    I'm sure there are times when all action is on one side due to an odds switch and it loses and the book won't cancel. And some books probably do only cancel winners when they think they can get away with it. But in general, with pretty much any book with more than 50 employees, they do the "right thing" with market voids almost all the time.

    (put right thing in quotes as it sounds you may not agree they have any right to cancel obvious errors at all.)

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    "pretty much any book with more than 50 employees" <--- actually that isn't right. But I can't think of any book rated C+ or better I'd even suspect only cancels winners when it comes to voiding markets for errors.

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    Your right Opti, I kinda misspoke...my main point is that they should honor any line they offered and was acted upon; the voiding both winners and losers isn't something I'm aware of happening often enough to be concerning, just something related I mentioned. Nothing wrong with them retracting or altering odds at any time; my main objection is when bets are accepted on an offered line, and later just voided. I sympathize with how easy it can be to make a mistake when trying to quickly get lines up, but I think it's on the book to make sure it's right before it's offered.

    Is it impractical to run a modern, diverse book like this? I don't think so, but I'm not familiar with the business side, so maybe it is? Regardless, it happens infrequently enough that it doesn't affect hardly anyone, and it's unlikely to change until competition between books is much stronger (which will require it to become much more popular and much more legally permissible). If it ever does, peer-to-peer betting platforms would probably take over, regulated by player choice and voluntary agreements similar to what could easily be implemented here...as a fan of free markets, I'd enjoy seeing it develop and the results (more freedom to choose, more options, better prices to consumer and services tailored to what the market wants). Not that it's likely to get there any time soon: like many other things, I'm sure regulations on gambling will be around for a long time, supposedly to protect us from ourselves but motivated mainly by that legal barrier allowing the permitted operators to charge much higher prices. /soapbox

    To get back on topic...it would be very interesting if SBR was willing to take a small step (banning people who agree to be banned under certain circumstances) to make agreements binding, and let the community arrive at the best terms the market will bear. Not that i think it would necessarily be a great move for SBR; it would take some creativity and a lot of work to make any profit from that kind of environment...just something I'd like to see happen

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    A betting exchange based on blockchain technology, with no owner and decisions made by user consensus, could be awesome.

    Who has any incentive to build such a thing though...

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    WTF is it with guys here in the state of Texas? TXaron. TheAntfather just to name a few.

    Speaking of TheAntFather. Didn't he have a rather large loan out? Be surprised as hell if he's paid it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Post the screenshot of your $2 Red Sox win, or it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Those who stiffed me have nothing to do with my attitude, still have 20k+ despite all the stiffs.

    Those who can't generate their own pts on this site, are pathetic losers. Most solicit loans because they're too impatient to generate their own pts. Others solicit loans because they irresponsibly didn't plan for pro renewal, & they're too much of a broke dikk to pony up a c-note for charity gift renewal.
    to be fair some guys work hard and do hit the sportsbook and just miss a few, or have a bad week on the tables. knowing you can get a loan (if you have good history) is a reason to leverage and get aggressive in spots also.

    Ive never considered every person who has asked for a loan to be a pathetic loser?

    not here or at a small business bank or a new home owner, or a guy down a few bucks during the week.

    having a bet points forum and the ability to get loans and generate more points for gift cards or a pizza are some of the numerous reasons people come to SBR, go PRO, support the sponsors and thus allow for SBR to continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trytrytry View Post
    to be fair some guys work hard and do hit the sportsbook and just miss a few, or have a bad week on the tables. knowing you can get a loan (if you have good history) is a reason to leverage and get aggressive in spots also.

    Ive never considered every person who has asked for a loan to be a pathetic loser?

    not here or at a small business bank or a new home owner, or a guy down a few bucks during the week.
    Agreed. For those of us who do not play poker as well it's tougher to generate points here. And sometimes you see something you really like and want to max out on the play. And with the reality that sports betting is a losing proposition for most Playing points is a + even deal.

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    TxAaron you claim you're such a high roller (btw I have account w same SB and my balance doesn't show as blue?) take the time to post supposed screen shots of bets (when did a dime bet constitute embarrassing someone?) so just do the right things & pay the points back. Seems logical to me

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    yisman, can you show proof of the loan that was not paid from TxAaron?

    he is denying he ever took a loan..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    A betting exchange based on blockchain technology, with no owner and decisions made by user consensus, could be awesome.

    Who has any incentive to build such a thing though...
    It seems like the kind of thing someone would build just because they can and want to, but like bitcoin, there's no doubt a way to do it so the creator profits should it take off. I'm sure the robot uprising will start the same way

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    WTF is it with guys here in the state of Texas? TXaron. TheAntfather just to name a few.
    POS69 & Donkey, just to name a couple more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    I kinda misspoke.
    No worries Tripe, we're kinda used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    TxAaron you claim you're such a high roller (btw I have account w same SB and my balance doesn't show as blue?) take the time to post supposed screen shots of bets (when did a dime bet constitute embarrassing someone?) so just do the right things & pay the points back. Seems logical to me
    My bookmaker balance shows as blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trytrytry View Post
    to be fair some guys work hard and do hit the sportsbook and just miss a few, or have a bad week on the tables. knowing you can get a loan (if you have good history) is a reason to leverage and get aggressive in spots also.
    Oh, kinda what StudMLB did here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/2458804-looking-big-loan.html

    Not sure what exactly you find "fair" about someone soliciting a loan "to leverage & get aggressive" with other posters hard earned pts & not pay back? How do you condone this behavior, by implying Stud was simply leveraging & getting aggressive with my pts loan?

    Ive never considered every person who has asked for a pts loan to be a pathetic loser?
    That's your opinion, I beg to differ.

    not here or at a small business bank or a new home owner, or a guy down a few bucks during the week.
    I obviously wasn't referring to bank or personal loans, I was referring to pts loans.

    having a bet points forum and the ability to get loans and generate more points for gift cards or a pizza are some of the numerous reasons people come to SBR, go PRO, support the sponsors and thus allow for SBR to continue.
    Since SBR doesn't want to get involved with loan stiffing, they should just get rid of loans altogether. If there were no loans, there would obviously be no stiffs. It's easy enough to generate your own pts on this site, but many degenerates here are lazy & want everything handed to them right away via loans. In my opinion, it's pathetic & irresponsible behavior. If one wants something in the SBR store, go earn it yourself. Why borrow to get it? I want the Segway, are you suggesting I should just solicit a 152k loan to get it? http://store.sportsbookreview.com/products/290-Segwa-i2

    I prefer to earn the things I want. Never solicited a pts loan & never will, pt loans are for the weak.

    With all that said, I prefer to lose wagers to you & Yisman than the SBR book. Since SBR basically stole my pts here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...n-w-juice.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Playing points is a + even deal.
    Since playing pts is a +EV deal, why did StudMLB disappear? Makes no sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxAaron View Post
    Risking 1,000 to win 1,170
    Is there a reason why we can't see what this wager was, did it lose perhaps?

    In any event, your average bet size is $462 & you can't pay back a pts loan because you're butt hurt?

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