[Vegas39]

I understand that in regards to what people are trashing him for. But on his end, it's just betpoints, seems a handful of points mean more to him than his word or even real money.

Im sure he does same with money to. Once a scammer always

Kid of his is fukked with a role model like that

[Ra77er]

His bad debts have nothing to do with me, If you want to talk to me, or talk about Jesus, or just want to say hello, or just want to say I told you so, say your peace and move on. Don't be disrespectful to me because of chips actions, he is a grown man with free will, can do what he wants.

I'll never get anywhere with someone who preaches on a gambling forum about Jesus and how their father was a degenerate and yet here you are actively participating in gambling yourself (Love the BTP badge). If I wanted to talk about Jesus I sure as hell wouldn't come to SBR to do that. You are absolutely correct that chip can do as he wants... as can you with your naive comments and betpoints. It's pretty obvious to me that you know chip is a guy that could use some "help" but not in the enabling form of giving him points to continue to be a leech to the community here at a minimum.

[brainfreeze]

I'll never get anywhere with someone who preaches on a gambling forum about Jesus and how their father was a degenerate and yet here you are actively participating in gambling yourself (Love the BTP badge). If I wanted to talk about Jesus I sure as hell wouldn't come to SBR to do that. You are absolutely correct that chip can do as he wants... as can you with your naive comments and betpoints. It's pretty obvious to me that you know chip is a guy that could use some "help" but not in the enabling form of giving him points to continue to be a leech to the community here at a minimum.

I'm sorry you feel that way ra77er, as I said in different thread, " I air bet" haven't spent one dime here "even going pro was for charity" and now have given over 200 to charity with help from tennisprofrance and joy to do so. My father is not a degenerate fool, he has made some pretty decent scores in these fantasy land casinos, over 30k in a night.He's also known for his pool play, Trust me, didn't help the guy one bit. You don't have to talk to me about anything dude, matter a fact sometimes instead of being hateful it's best to say nothing at all. your acting foolish at the moment and will treat you accordingly. Just a little advice from a christian, I'll pray for you ra77er

[Ra77er]

When you finally take a hard look in the mirror maybe we could have a productive religious discussion on another forum or perhaps at my local wal-mart...the one right next to AT&T stadium would be preferable since I shop there. Christian to Christian discussion that does not belong on a gambling forum with a bunch of degenerates.

[brainfreeze]

And by the way, if I want to go on death or skid row and preach... No one will stop me, there's a power of Jesus ahead of me going, don't need your two cents on the matter

[brainfreeze]

You think I care if your rich? You seem poor spiritually and to call yourself a christian acting like this....far from christian dude.

[Vegas39]

preaching religion on a gambling forum

seen it all on here now

[Ra77er]

Freeze how the hell did rich come in to this? I am a former military guy pal, the Wal Mart next to the stadium is a shithole...anyway I have no clue whats going on now. I will say don't try to compare "charity" on sbr to me lest I have to bump the threads where I smoked the casino and handed out coins like a sonic the hedgehog game.


Disregard that will just lead to more nonsense, you win Brainfreeze I tap out

[Vegas39]

Freeze how the hell did rich come in to this? I am a former military guy pal, the Wal Mart next to the stadium is a shithole...anyway I have no clue whats going on now. I will say don't try to compare "charity" on sbr to me lest I have to bump the threads where I smoked the casino and handed out coins like a sonic the hedgehog game.


Disregard that will just lead to more nonsense, you win Brainfreeze I tap out

exactly, and will say again freeze if your so interested in enabling a scammer. Feel free to buy out his loans

[tatddy]

At least the Rabbai has a sense of humor here!

[Triple_D_Bet]

I'll never get anywhere with someone who preaches on a gambling forum about Jesus...

To be fair razzer, the way the mindset usually works is to encourage "testifying" in risque places to reach directly to "sinners"; probably nothing inconsistent in that (although I consider the organized-religion mindset horribly inconsistent to begin with).

His bad debts have nothing to do with me, If you want to talk to me, or talk about Jesus, or just want to say hello, or just want to say I told you so, say your peace and move on. Don't be disrespectful to me because of chips actions, he is a grown man with free will, can do what he wants.

No disrespect to you for chipnaz' actions, nothing to do with you of course...the "disrespect" is because of your "I have faith in him" and hyper-Jesus faith comments elsewhere. If what you believe works for you, more power to ya...just be aware that when you express your opinion based on optimistic faith instead of available evidence, here of all places it's likely to be called out, and unfavorably compared to other instances of the same application of faith over reason.

I try to recognize when it might be productive to engage a hyper-religious guy and when it's not going to change anything (as in this case), so you probably won't hear much else from me on the subject. Just be careful not to go too overboard with this stuff eh?

[Ra77er]

Triple that I can agree with you that this would be a place to reach "sinners" but I find it highly hypocritical to use this as a platform for testifying when you are engaging in the same exact "sinful" practice. I guess someone could spin this anyway they want by saying "well I went pro with a donation" and "contests are free" or "I'm just trying to blend in with my air bets"....basically it would go nowhere but your point is well taken.

[brainfreeze]

To be fair razzer, the way the mindset usually works is to encourage "testifying" in risque places to reach directly to "sinners"; probably nothing inconsistent in that (although I consider the organized-religion mindset horribly inconsistent to begin with).



No disrespect to you for chipnaz' actions, nothing to do with you of course...the "disrespect" is because of your "I have faith in him" and hyper-Jesus faith comments elsewhere. If what you believe works for you, more power to ya...just be aware that when you express your opinion based on optimistic faith instead of available evidence, here of all places it's likely to be called out, and unfavorably compared to other instances of the same application of faith over reason.

I try to recognize when it might be productive to engage a hyper-religious guy and when it's not going to change anything (as in this case), so you probably won't hear much else from me on the subject. Just be careful not to go too overboard with this stuff eh?

Well triple, thank you for straightening that out for ra77er because I don't think he's opened up his Bible in a while and would encourage him to do so. Jesus tells me to love even my enemies, chips not even close to a enemy, guys confused, and I should've worded it differently because I wasn't looking to have optimistic faith about him getting his act together, but more in faith that Jesus will help him get his act together, I mean look at what God did for me, if He will do it for me, He will do it for anybody. Look at the thieves that was nailed next to Jesus, one mocked Him, said come off the cross, surely you can save yourself if your God. The other seen the hatred pouring out of the Romans spitting, cussing and mocking Jesus and had a "heart" to know, this God/Man Jesus did nothing to get what he was being given and all it took was from him to look over at Jesus, believe in Him, and repented for what he done, Jesus said to that man, surely, you will be with me in paradise. Real pure belief all it takes, faith of a mustard seed moves mountains friend. I'm not here to go overboard on anything, just to share the love of Jesus that He has for us all, am I wrong for this no, will it stir up some things sure, that's the power of God friend that your all witnessing to, it's up to the individual if they want to realize it or not. I'm just here as a faithful messenger until He calls me else where. Thank you for even caring to say that though triple.

[brainfreeze]

Triple that I can agree with you that this would be a place to reach "sinners" but I find it highly hypocritical to use this as a platform for testifying when you are engaging in the same exact "sinful" practice. I guess someone could spin this anyway they want by saying "well I went pro with a donation" and "contests are free" or "I'm just trying to blend in with my air bets"....basically it would go nowhere but your point is well taken.

How is betting air, a sin. I'm showing others you can still have fun, but don't take this so serious. There's life going on out there, why are we so worried if a guy can make a tackle or if one can catch a ball, these things are not important and I'm trying to help people break out of that trance that it is. I play poker fairly well, ask triple, do you think I care, no sir, don't think I've even played in a tourney this week. Why are you acting as if I care about such things, when it's a lie, I don't.

[Vegas39]

Coming on a gambling board preaching religion
'
this idiot needs a fukkin life

[brainfreeze]

Coming on a gambling board preaching religion
'
this idiot needs a fukkin life

I forgive you Vegas, and I'm not preaching religion .. You can put Him in that box if you want, He's every where, and knows everything. I have a wonderful family, and you have no clue about "my life". I don't expect you to either, why there's a choice to "believe" what you want. I'll pray for you Vegas.

[Vegas39]

yes I'm sure people logged on today hoping they were blessed by your fake ass

Do you go onto religious boards to see who will cover games

[brainfreeze]

By the way triple, evidence... Seek and ye shall find.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jRF8AuV_Q9k
Do you think "they" want you to see evidence? Naaah... But just go outside and tell me a Big Bang did that in less then three minutes... It takes more then faith to believe what the foolish would have you believe.

[milwaukee mike]

wow this thread really went off on a tangent

i have nothing against religion, but it was mostly for when people couldn't explain waves or thunder so they said the gods were responsible

most people don't actually read the bible, when i did, it was so different than church it was laughable. and to take that stuff literally, come on! noah really grabbed millions of different species of birds and insects, and somehow knew which were male and female when many of them have undefined genitalia...

and then survived a great flood, where the temperatures necessary for that much rain would've burned every living thing in a second

[brainfreeze]

wow this thread really went off on a tangent

i have nothing against religion, but it was mostly for when people couldn't explain waves or thunder so they said the gods were responsible

most people don't actually read the bible, when i did, it was so different than church it was laughable. and to take that stuff literally, come on! noah really grabbed millions of different species of birds and insects, and somehow knew which were male and female when many of them have undefined genitalia...

and then survived a great flood, where the temperatures necessary for that much rain would've burned every living thing in a second

Noah didn't have to go find them Mike, they were led in by God. All Noah did was what he was instructed to do as a faithful servant to God, he built the ark. He got his family on to this ark, they were genetically and spiritually sound, but once we get off that boat, temptation crept back in, the adversary has been here longer then man, and has plenty of tools in his box to get us to turn away from God, like fast women, sex, drugs, and rocknroll so to speak, even a game like football, anything he can do to get us to concentrate on anything else then Jesus, he's fine with that, and these powers and strongholds are serious, and ruin lives. God comes in and runs the adversary out of those that want him out. It's a choice, we all get that choice.

[milwaukee mike]

is jesus the only white guy in the history of the middle east?

[brainfreeze]

If he can show us some fascinating stuff like predicting the future, showing when one will die " like John Dee did with queen Mary " the adversary does hold power, nothing like that of God though. It's not even comparable but if we let the devil tell it, he will lie, lie, lie. God bless all

[brainfreeze]

is jesus the only white guy in the history of the middle east?

Why does everyone say that? Jesus was in lineage of Abraham to King David, He was Hebrew.

[milwaukee mike]

Why does everyone say that? Jesus was in lineage of Abraham to King David, He was Hebrew.

because middle easterners don't really look white

so we're all guilty of incest since adam and eve, right? just one big family tree with no branches. wonder where the blacks and mexicans came from

we can argue this stuff all day, jesus is a recreation of old egyptian religions with immaculate conceptions, zodiac numbers of 12, etc

[Triple_D_Bet]

By the way triple, evidence... Seek and ye shall find.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jRF8AuV_Q9k
Do you think "they" want you to see evidence? Naaah... But just go outside and tell me a Big Bang did that in less then three minutes... It takes more then faith to believe what the foolish would have you believe.

The "evidence" seems to be overwhelming, but no in favor of Mr. Wyatt: http://www.biblearchaeology.org/book...ct.aspx?id=108 and many other source readily googled.

Personally, I believe what I believe (that there is likely no God as defined by theistic religions, and no physically distinct creator) because of the complete lack of objective evidence for one, because I strive for a somewhat consistent set of beliefs, and because I prefer reason to blind faith. Cognitive biases are responsible for a good many of the world's problems, both on a micro and macro scale, and I don't support institutions or mindsets that encourage them.

An even on the scale of a Big Bang is about as unfathomable to me as a creator God; indeed, saying "some guy did all this, the same way as I can make a Lego Ewok Village" is appealing because it's easy and seems more intuitive. However, reason and education informs me that unsupported intuition is often deceiving, and that the sciences which lead to hypothesizing a Big Bang are extremely well-proven with numerous benefits, including everything about the situation which leads to me typing this very post. To treat the Bible or other religious texts literally, you have to discard many of the scientific achievements made in a surprising number of fields which are demonstrably true...it strikes me as unreasonable to do so, and so I choose to believe the provable and more-probable theories of the universe instead of the "God did it" catch-all.

Many smart educated people are capable of harboring irrational beliefs (in a particular religion, or in their views of how anything else in the world works) alongside many correct and well-reasoned beliefs, and leading functional happy lives with minimal downsides from their irrational beliefs. Nothing against those folks, some of who I count as friends...but I'm not one of them. People are welcome to do whatever they like so long as it doesn't affect me or others; people are free to proselytize, but should be aware that it even though they see it as trying to spread the word of God, many see it as confirmation of an illusory superiority and other cognitive biases.

[Triple_D_Bet]

wow this thread really went off on a tangent

i have nothing against religion, but it was mostly for when people couldn't explain waves or thunder so they said the gods were responsible

most people don't actually read the bible, when i did, it was so different than church it was laughable. and to take that stuff literally, come on! noah really grabbed millions of different species of birds and insects, and somehow knew which were male and female when many of them have undefined genitalia...

and then survived a great flood, where the temperatures necessary for that much rain would've burned every living thing in a second

As far as thread going off the rails, shrug....it doesn't seem like chipnaz intends to put it to any better use

[brainfreeze]

One verse triple

Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

[Ra77er]

I take fully responsibility here...will await the firing squad.

[brainfreeze]

because middle easterners don't really look white

so we're all guilty of incest since adam and eve, right? just one big family tree with no branches. wonder where the blacks and mexicans came from

we can argue this stuff all day, jesus is a recreation of old egyptian religions with immaculate conceptions, zodiac numbers of 12, etc

Here, check that out Mike, might help with the question.
http://www.soundchristian.com/man/

[milwaukee mike]

One verse triple

Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

i think the definition of vanity is believing there is an all-powerful being, and yet also believing that the all-powerful being cares about what you do or say

you should be a decent human being whether or not there is a god to report to, or a heaven/hell waiting. live and let live my friend

[Triple_D_Bet]

One verse triple

Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

An excellent verse, as it sums up why I eventually learned (as many folks do) not to get too serious about religious debates: beliefs which are internally protected against outside evidence aren't likely to be changed. A belief structure which warns people not to think lest they change their mind is going to make it hard to change the mind of adherents. Reaffirms my desire not to be a part of any such group as well, seems like advocating closed-mindedness is a terrible idea

[brainfreeze]

I take fully responsibility here...will await the firing squad.

For what, I still like triple, he's never been disrespectful to me ever, nor should he apologize for others comments, or try justifying them, we all have a road, at least his mature enough, to not laugh or mock at a man of God.

[brainfreeze]

An excellent verse, as it sums up why I eventually learned (as many folks do) not to get too serious about religious debates: beliefs which are internally protected against outside evidence aren't likely to be changed. A belief structure which warns people not to think lest they change their mind is going to make it hard to change the mind of adherents. Reaffirms my desire not to be a part of any such group as well, seems like advocating closed-mindedness is a terrible idea

It's not about closing your mind triple, but opening it to Christ, who will show Himself to those that want Him.

[brainfreeze]

i think the definition of vanity is believing there is an all-powerful being, and yet also believing that the all-powerful being cares about what you do or say

you should be a decent human being whether or not there is a god to report to, or a heaven/hell waiting. live and let live my friend

I do, I have no control over anyone's life, it doesn't matter because everyone will glorify God rather they want to or not. Every purpose relates back to Him doesn't matter if the intent was evil or good. When they crucified Jesus, they all laughed thinking that was the end of it "evil" only to find out that, through Him being crucified we all have a shot at being saved. It all works for the greater good. Thanks for the comment friend.

[Ra77er]

Freeze you are one whacked out nutjob I'll give ya that. I'd probably still share a jar of apple pie moonshine with you if that helps any here.