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    AUTODONK & CHIPUPS Tracking thread.

    Here is the thread where we shall begin Tracking our agreement. Starting tomorrow 7/9/2014 as per the terms listed at this link.
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post22197637

    Also to all those keeping track you can check this link to see that I've now paid Triple D off in full. .
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...bt-thread.html


    Thank you donker for the investment and the help pal. Not only did I pay off triple D thanks to you but as of this moment I'm 200+ UP despite bubbling in the tourney.
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    sweet! u can also pm me many details if you feel they don't need to be on the thread, such as what tnry's ur planning on playing, etc.... best of luck!!!! let's own this place!!!!

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    Triple D can you check in please pal. I need to ship you my pts for holding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipup View Post
    Triple D can you check in please pal. I need to ship you my pts for holding.

    Please mention here when shipping points to ease of tracking
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    102 points sent. These are my last purely mine points.

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    4 points sent. 2 for Auto Donk's missing arse and 2 for me. Making my total holding with Triple D 104

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    Sent 77 of your points to repay tryx3 here (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...ng-latest.html ), chipped in the interest since I was gone. New balance: 27 points.

    For future reference, my weekend availability is pretty terrible; might have to request a little earlier in the morning (before 11 EST)
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    448 Transferred. For a total of 475 Your storing for me.

    I don't think these points need to be split as Donk was not here to pay for my entry and I had to use MY own points that I earned previous to our agreement. However if Donk wants to dispute these points I'll leave it to Triple D to decide and I will honor his decision.

    If Donk disputes and TD agrees 77 points go back to pay me back pre split as they were my points leaving 371pts to split. or 187.5 pts each. I'll take 186 he can have 188. Leaving me 213 pts in triple d's storage.

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    all rolloever pts you earn are half mine per our agreement; I fully expected that you'd play weekends when i entered the deal, whether you played with your own points you'd earned earlier (ie, your hafl of your ample profites), and that I would indeed partake in them. that was specifically part of the deal. if you didn't use your own points to play, but had to borrow them from me or anyone else, I assume there would be an additional loan arrangement, or maybe just borrowing a buyin (I gave you 70 more early last week to buyin to the next weeks trnys, for example). If you borrowed them at a cost, i'd expect you to pay back that cost, then split all the profits after that. that's our deal.....
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    ps... i was in galveston with the wife, kids, and bongo this past thrus-today.... never logged in, never played any poker til this afternoon's donkfest....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    all rolloever pts you earn are half mine per our agreement; I fully expected that you'd play weekends when i entered the deal, whether you played with your own points you'd earned earlier (ie, your hafl of your ample profites), and that I would indeed partake in them. that was specifically part of the deal. if you didn't use your own points to play, but had to borrow them from me or anyone else, I assume there would be an additional loan arrangement, or maybe just borrowing a buyin (I gave you 70 more early last week to buyin to the next weeks trnys, for example). If you borrowed them at a cost, i'd expect you to pay back that cost, then split all the profits after that. that's our deal.....

    Donker Pal,
    This is a grey area. But like I said I'll defer to Triple D's mindset. I have no quarrel with splitting but allow me to explain. Per our agreement All my points where to be split between us, which means that I would have no points to buy in to any weekend tournaments. They were considered and expressed below copied from my verbage in the agreement.

    " Donk will realize his best option is to keep me in the race (Using his Pony metaphor). Which means he'll want me playing in weekend tourneys (In his best interest) something that I couldn't reliably do on my own and he can afford to put me in that position to play. "

    It was my belief and intent that I would not have any points to enter these tournaments. seeing as all my points from that day forth were to be split. These weekend tourneys would be at your duress to opt to provide me the entrance fee. We did not define any terms on the subject past this.

    You did not say I could obtain loans for the purpose of entry, that I could use my own stored points but still split it, nor did we define the repayment structure after/if you gave me the points. Now I assumed if you had provided the points that I would of had to repay your points you fronted me to be taken out before the divide of points won. But even that wasn't clarified.

    Now, this is not me attempting to curtail nor skip on my end of performance. It is merely showing my interpretation of the contract which clearly was not 100% defined and is open to interpretation. The only thing covered in our contract about these weekend tourneys as I pointed out was my copied sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    Jake pal, you've got to show me how to play poker like you one day Pal. Your consistent middle cashes are awesome. .

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    Per current agreement, all points gained are half Donk's, regardless of how obtained, who paid entry fee, etc. Whether or not you guys want to continue with exceptions to that, this one falls under current agreement which I feel is pretty clear. Sent Donk 224 points.

    This brings up an interesting question: when chip buys in to a daily, is he doing so with 10 of his points or 5 of his, 5 of Donk's? I tend to think it's the latter (as the points should change hands as soon as he receives them), which leaves Donk and chip splitting the risk and reward. To stay consistent, weekend tourneys, sports betting, contest entry etc. should be handled the same way, with buy-in paid for 50% chip, 50% AD by mutual agreement.

    Maybe set a cutoff for weekend tourneys, where Donk has first right of refusal to split the buy-in with chip; if after that cutoff he has decided not to do so, chip can buy in with his own points and earn 100% of any won points. Will have to trust chip on this one not to do anything shady, but posting the intention to buy in himself and the results might keep things reasonable. For sports betting, just get agreement to do jointly before any bet made. You're probably going to want to clear this up.

    Doesn't seem like anything in the current agreement prohibits loans, although it should probably be cleared up a bit. If chip takes a loan, it would have to be with him receiving 100% of the loaned points and having 100% of the obligation to repay (not fair to give Donk the proceeds or obligation from a loan unless he agrees to it). Regarding splitting, I think it would be fair to split the profit with Donk instead of the winnings....if done this way, the incentive will be to get Donk's approval instead of a loan (risk 50% for 50% instead of risking 100% for 50%). Profit doesn't have to be linked to any particular bet or session; if you borrow 1000 for 1100, the next 1100 you generate should go to the loan, with anything after that split as usual. With interest, taking out loans and losing them could leave Donk with a lot less profit from your deal; to keep things on the level, I'd recommend setting limits (no loans without prior approval). Shouldn't be necessary to take many loans though, right? The whole point of this is to build up a point stash and not need to take loans.

    If you guys decide to modify the agreement, please document it here and send me a link so I can be sure I'm up to speed

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    New balance of chip's escrow: (475-224) = 251

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipup View Post
    Jake pal, you've got to show me how to play poker like you one day Pal. Your consistent middle cashes are awesome. .

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    just been lucky the past week..you would be better served learning from Arunsh, shogunrua, sinmiedo, tripleD or GUMMO

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    when I paid the 1500, it was for half of chipup's winnings for the next six months. There was no requirement that I pay his buyin's for dailies or loan him money for buyins, particularly not the ten point daily buyins. Chip new full well that part of my return for paying him 1500 was to get half his action in the trnys he played, and understood he'd be paying the daily buyin's (a whopping ten points) -- otherwise, why have a deal at all for 1500, I might as well just had an agreement that req'd no 1500 downpayment, but rather agree to pay half his buyin's in whatever event, poker or otherwise, and split his income. Now it seems as if he wants the 1500 and for me to pay half his buyins, to get half his points. Unfair deal, unless he wants to refund my 1500 and then I'll sponsor him in each event for half his buyins in dailies, for half his income, and all of his weekend buyins for half the winnings, after the relatively larger buyin/refunds are repaid off the top.

    Our original deal did not require me to pay one dime more than the 1500 for half his winnings. I agree with Chip that to potentially maximize my return, I might want to loan him money to have him play weekend trnys he otherwise couldn't enter. If I did that, I'd expect the buyin back out of the winnings, then the 50 percent. Candidly, I thought the purpose of his "investment offer" was to help him out of his chip bind and build a decent bankroll. A bankroll with which he would then pay his own weekend buyins. Hell, I was down to almost zero pts a month and a half ago or so. Notwithstanding ttaddy's ill advised bet and the 3500 pts in my acct now from it (to be reduced by 3150 after the present poker promo is over), I have built it up by another 4-5000 pts. I pay my own weekend entries/rebuys, and figured chip would be able to do the same out of his half of his winnings under our arrangement.

    but in no way did we ever agree that I'd have to pay fifty percent of all of his buyins to get the benefit of the deal we originally entered. Hell, I guess chip could boycott (be a poker "holdout" ala andre Johnson style), but then he doesn't get the enjoyment of playing the dailies and the winnings he could be bringing in.

    despite the simple to understand terms of our agreement, and to avoid things like this past weekend when I was in Galveston at a beachhouse, I would be willing to throw chi - pup a bone, and agree to modify our deal along the lines of what tdb suggested, that for the weekend hi-roller trnys, I have the "right of first refusal" to sponsor chip-up or not, and if I don't exercise it, then he can solicit loans and play and I will not be entitled to profits on those weekend trnys. If I exercise the option to fund his buyins, those are paid back first out of any winnings (along with all rebuys I sponsored him on), then we split the take 50-50 as per our original deal. Dailies stay as is, with him paying the massive ten point buy in, but us splitting them 50-50. All other contests on the site (such as the world cup soccer promo--which I would have won had I gotten my final sixteen teams in, as I lost only the 3d place game and ran the table otherwise), will remain subject to our original deal, with chipup paying whatever the nominal entry fee is, but us splitting the winnings.

    And again, the pup will, in any trny that I have sponsored him in (and all the dailies), only play the rollover to the point of completing it. Once done, no more play on that rollover, no matter what kind of heater he's on.... lol.
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    I want to first thank Triple D for not even considering my side of the argument... I will also add That there is no need to amend the agreement, I thank Donk for the generous offer of allowing a insert for Right of Refusal. But that was not the spirit of the agreement as a layman Triple D interpreted it.

    Shipping 59 points. That consists of my daily 12, 7 donk sent me, and the roll over I got from poker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipup View Post
    I want to first thank Triple D for not even considering my side of the argument... I will also add That there is no need to amend the agreement, I thank Donk for the generous offer of allowing a insert for Right of Refusal. But that was not the spirit of the agreement as a layman Triple D interpreted it.

    Shipping 59 points. That consists of my daily 12, 7 donk sent me, and the roll over I got from poker.
    What makes you think I didn't consider your side? I thought I addressed your thoughts pretty clearly in terms of what could be done to modify

    The assumed spirit of the agreement isn't the agreement, and the agreement is pretty simple. If you want to update the agreement to reflect the spirit, you guys should do so...otherwise it's cut and dry; half of whatever you get goes to Donk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipup View Post
    I want to first thank Triple D for not even considering my side of the argument... I will also add That there is no need to amend the agreement, I thank Donk for the generous offer of allowing a insert for Right of Refusal. But that was not the spirit of the agreement as a layman Triple D interpreted it.

    Shipping 59 points. That consists of my daily 12, 7 donk sent me, and the roll over I got from poker.
    ah yes, thank you chi-pup! this beautiful business arrangement is already paying dividends! let's hope it stays all good.... other wise this clip comes to mind!


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    27 Sent from chip to Donk as half of points received, 5 point from Donk for chip's post excluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    27 Sent from chip to Donk as half of points received, 5 point from Donk for chip's post excluded.

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    thanks!

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    As requested on poker tables, sent 283. Escrow balance 0

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    hmm..... i hope he didn't donk them off, particularly given his agreement with me that:

    "2) I will not enter the SBR Sportsbook, nor shall I play ring game poker with the exception of Free plays I win in Beat the prick or roll over for poker points. If I win any of the above I will immediately ship half the winnings to the high bidder, the other half to my rep I picked earlier. This way there will be no grey area or confusion on points and who they belong to."

    from his original offer that I accepted..... ship half the profits, and I hope you won big!!!!

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    Last night I told you both I would address things here. Rather than get into personal feelings and anger. I'm merely going to accept Donks offer of a 2k Buyout. I could just sit out for 6 months and not owe him a dime. But Unlike present company I'm a decent person. I will not be checking forums nor responding to anything from this point on. I'm really disgusted with certain people atm.

    I'm going to play daily till the World Cup and if I don't make a team that shall be my last poker played here. GL ALL From this point on My points are mine and will be held by me. Donk will be paid.

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    AutoDonk you are one thirsty mo fo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipup View Post
    Last night I told you both I would address things here. Rather than get into personal feelings and anger. I'm merely going to accept Donks offer of a 2k Buyout. I could just sit out for 6 months and not owe him a dime. But Unlike present company I'm a decent person. I will not be checking forums nor responding to anything from this point on. I'm really disgusted with certain people atm.

    I'm going to play daily till the World Cup and if I don't make a team that shall be my last poker played here. GL ALL From this point on My points are mine and will be held by me. Donk will be paid.
    Sorry you feel that way chip, but you're way off if you think either donk or I are bad people or out to get you just because we're holding you to your (rather broad) agreement. Disappointing to see that you spent donk's half of your chips this morning as well. I'll leave it up to you two to come to terms for the interest and payback. Looks like you'll have to send donk the 244 he should have gotten last night in addition to the 2k buyout, certainly doable, especially if you follow the rules you were trying to do with this agreement. Good luck.

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    Considering all three individuals involved, this was a train wreck waiting to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Considering all three individuals involved, this was a train wreck waiting to happen.
    touche' waves..... funny comment, even if way, way off base..... I will say this for both tdb and chipup, I generally think they are very good people. Tdb is a first-class guy, pretty much haven proven himself to be stand-up and damn near beyond reproach. Having talked to him on the phone, you can tell he's the kind of guy that could pretty much get along with anybody. So, to me it speaks volumes about you that tdb has a dispute with you.... you must be a real d-bag!

    I'm going to making every effort to find the time to attend the bash in the d.r., and am really looking forward to meeting the guys on this site that make it so enjoyable of a place to gamble and play some cards, bad beats and superusers notwithstanding. Even the sbr super user (biteme) and goldenboys (jake, shograu, sin) are very likable guys who I enjoy playing cards with, and it will be a blast getting to put names and faces to the id's. TDB is at the top of the list of the people I am genuinely looking forward to meeting and having some gambling fun with.

    As for chi-pup, he's a fine individual that is currently under a helluva lot of stress, for reasons he has indicated to me and others on the site. I think no less of him for wanting to buy out our deal, and offered him that last night as a way to hopefully relieve some of the angst and stress he's experiencing, as I could tell he was bothered by the implementation of the clear terms of our deal. If it's not fun for both of us, why do it? I think no less of him, and in fact, after getting to know him better as we talked about the deal on the front end, my respect for him grew as, despite his health issues, he's still making valiant efforts to be an active, involved dad and productive member of society.... many faced with the obstacles and issues he's facing would be inclined to fold their tent or close up shop. Not the Pup, he's fighting for his life and carrying on.

    This site is supposed to give him a bit of an escape, not add to his angst and stress level. I have no problem with taking our "deal" in whatever direction he wants to take it. I really do just want him to enjoy his time on the site (as hard as that may be for him, me and the others, given the horrible beats we take daily -- at least we have fun and revelry in our sorrows of losing).

    Bottom line, the fact that you have issues with them tells me you're not a very friendly guy, and certainly have no compassion. maybe it's the n.e./philly in you.... who knows..... As for Chipup, I say this: thanks for being a stand up guy, and offering to do the buy out. As for the 2k price, I'll lower it back to the 1,500 if you get it done in a week.... that way I can go ship the chips to SBR, uh, I mean "biteme". Good luck Pup, with health and life in general, and of course, poker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fidel_CashFlow View Post
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    Well then, I guess we should have a drink on me in the d.r. in late January.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    touche' waves..... funny comment, even if way, way off base..... I will say this for both tdb and chipup, I generally think they are very good people. Tdb is a first-class guy, pretty much haven proven himself to be stand-up and damn near beyond reproach. Having talked to him on the phone, you can tell he's the kind of guy that could pretty much get along with anybody. So, to me it speaks volumes about you that tdb has a dispute with you.... you must be a real d-bag!

    I'm going to making every effort to find the time to attend the bash in the d.r., and am really looking forward to meeting the guys on this site that make it so enjoyable of a place to gamble and play some cards, bad beats and superusers notwithstanding. Even the sbr super user (biteme) and goldenboys (jake, shograu, sin) are very likable guys who I enjoy playing cards with, and it will be a blast getting to put names and faces to the id's. TDB is at the top of the list of the people I am genuinely looking forward to meeting and having some gambling fun with.

    As for chi-pup, he's a fine individual that is currently under a helluva lot of stress, for reasons he has indicated to me and others on the site. I think no less of him for wanting to buy out our deal, and offered him that last night as a way to hopefully relieve some of the angst and stress he's experiencing, as I could tell he was bothered by the implementation of the clear terms of our deal. If it's not fun for both of us, why do it? I think no less of him, and in fact, after getting to know him better as we talked about the deal on the front end, my respect for him grew as, despite his health issues, he's still making valiant efforts to be an active, involved dad and productive member of society.... many faced with the obstacles and issues he's facing would be inclined to fold their tent or close up shop. Not the Pup, he's fighting for his life and carrying on.

    This site is supposed to give him a bit of an escape, not add to his angst and stress level. I have no problem with taking our "deal" in whatever direction he wants to take it. I really do just want him to enjoy his time on the site (as hard as that may be for him, me and the others, given the horrible beats we take daily -- at least we have fun and revelry in our sorrows of losing).

    Bottom line, the fact that you have issues with them tells me you're not a very friendly guy, and certainly have no compassion. maybe it's the n.e./philly in you.... who knows..... As for Chipup, I say this: thanks for being a stand up guy, and offering to do the buy out. As for the 2k price, I'll lower it back to the 1,500 if you get it done in a week.... that way I can go ship the chips to SBR, uh, I mean "biteme". Good luck Pup, with health and life in general, and of course, poker!

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    Wasted words on bobbo; he wasn't trying to say anything intelligent, just a futile attempt to be clever. Thanks for the kind words though donker, spot on for the most part!

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    The problem I have with certain individuals stems from their smack talk while trailing in poker, unable to even back up their poor etiquette. I have no qualms calling these people out.

    Another problem stems from certain individuals libeling me as an owner of a couple shady sportsbooks, I have no qualms calling these people out as well. If & when SBR looks into my recent sportsbook theft claim & clears my name as being owner, I may consider attending bash as well. I concur, it would be a blast putting names & faces to usernames.

    I have many friends outside of forum, I get along with any "normal" human being. But if the forum is bent on painting me as a villain, then I have no problem playing the role. Update the rankings Cent: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-villains.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    The problem I have with certain individuals stems from their smack talk while trailing in poker, unable to even back up their poor etiquette. I have no qualms calling these people out.

    Another problem stems from certain individuals libeling me as an owner of a couple shady sportsbooks, I have no qualms calling these people out as well. If & when SBR looks into my recent sportsbook theft claim & clears my name as being owner, I may consider attending bash as well. I concur, it would be a blast putting names & faces to usernames.

    I have many friends outside of forum, I get along with any "normal" human being. But if the forum is bent on painting me as a villain, then I have no problem playing the role. Update the rankings Cent: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-villains.html

    All the while refusing to accept any sort of challenge with me that does not involve multiple other people and start 6 months from now. The one time you put on your big boy pants you got schooled and left with your tail tucked. You have dodged me all along since. And using your logic that someone trails on the leaderboard so they shouldnt say anything all the while your dodging someone heads up that is not even on any leaderboard. Makes you look scared Bobbo.

    And just for the record I dont think you were/are the owner of 18th/Snake eyes but I definitely believe you were more than just a "victim".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    The problem I have with certain individuals stems from their smack talk while trailing in poker, unable to even back up their poor etiquette. I have no qualms calling these people out.

    Another problem stems from certain individuals libeling me as an owner of a couple shady sportsbooks, I have no qualms calling these people out as well. If & when SBR looks into my recent sportsbook theft claim & clears my name as being owner, I may consider attending bash as well. I concur, it would be a blast putting names & faces to usernames.

    I have many friends outside of forum, I get along with any "normal" human being. But if the forum is bent on painting me as a villain, then I have no problem playing the role. Update the rankings Cent: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-villains.html
    You have a problem with smack talk that is justified by concepts that you can't understand, due to your limited grasp on poker. No shame in that, only becomes an issue when you try (and fail) to show that you're anything but a terrible poker player.

    How in the world could you be a poker villain? You're irrelevant...too chickenshit to play ring games (or even Omaha H/L usually without chopping), and too busy trying to fold to a min-cash to register as anything more than a chump. Your ignorance (and your tendency to spout it non-stop, even when confronted with facts disproving your rubbish) does not a villain make. You're a poker idiot who's convinced he's not...we'll happily point out your lunacy, but you're nothing more than entertainment (and a source of points for DS and I, or anyone else if you ever stop ducking challenges with flimsy excuses)
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