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Bobbywaves vs Downsouth Poker Contest betting
As described here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...r-contest.html
Max win favorite/max risk underdog 500 (may raise this based on action)
Odds to be updated in this thread as action continues.
To win contest:
Downsouth -220
Bobbywaves +180
To win by 300+ points:
Downsouth -140
Bobbywaves +260
To win by 600+ points
Downsouth +125
Bobbywaves +350
Last edited by Triple_D_Bet; 02-10-14 at 09:13 PM. Reason: line shift!
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Downsouth -180 540/300
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DS by 300+ 280/200
DS by 600+ 300/375
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-180 and +220
I'll take the max on each.....
Kidding
Hah, yup, mixed those ones up when hurriedly transcribing, thanks for not hammeringOriginally Posted by tto827
-180 and +220
I'll take the max on each.....
Kidding
I will wager 500 on Downsouth, I will send the points in the first post.
Not sure what the odds/payout will be, please let me know.
Cheers!
To win outright will be 500/227...to win by 300+, 500/357; to win by 600+, 400/500 (in which case I'd send ya back 100)
I'll assume it's to win outright though, let me know if otherwise!
ah, sorry about that. ya, I was saying DS would win. thanks bud.
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Bobbywaves: (+180 333/599), (+260 333/866), (+350 333/1,166).
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trytrytry would approve
don't understand odds here, Bobby is mortal is he not?
Bobbywaves +260 to win by 300 pts
wager 300 pts
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Bobby is not the undead or a highlander to the best of my knowledge, no
There can be only one.Bobby is not the undead or a highlander to the best of my knowledge, no
Bobbywaves +180, risk 300
seems like value with bobby leading
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I'm smellin' some early value....
Downsouth -220
250 on Bobbywaves +180
To win by 300+ points:
Downsouth -140
150 on Bobbywaves +260
To win by 600+ points
Downsouth +125
100 on Bobbywaves +350
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300 on Bobby, value with him leading.
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bobby is a fukking stiff.
Prove it, take my ban challenge prick.
I could just as easily say you're a child molester, but would that make it true? ..........Probably, bad example.
Where's BigReam in the poker standings? http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ed.html?slf=36 Obviously your poker skills are as bad as your lies.
I don't play 5 days a week, pal.
As if that would make a difference, all losing players have same excuse.
Interesting trivia fact: despite not playing 5 days a week and despite not being on any leaderboards, Deemer has won almost 50% more than you from poker here...might need to revise your "losing player" assessment
You must be referring to cashes derived from holdem' ring games & weekends tourny's, which I don't play. If you're referring to daily tournies, you're delusional.
The poker winnings number comes from everything added together...and does it matter? If he wins, he's clearly not a losing player (especially when he wins more than you!). Just because you do better than he does in one aspect doesn't make you better; if anything, the fact that he wins more points in less time would be considered more impressive or at least more efficient.
Based on the facts, I conclude that Deemer's results are more indicative of poker skill than yours....winning ring games for higher stakes is considerably more difficult and skill-requiring than playing every daily and folding to the bubble/cash then rolling over in Omaha Hi/Lo. In the first example, the winnings come entirely from skill; in your case, the winnings come largely from the huge overlays of the daily tournaments...without those, your winnings would be maybe 20% of what they are? Nothing wrong with taking advantage of the overlays and making points (that's why most of us play after all), but the comparison between the skill required isn't even close.
Of course, you and I have already disagreed on this and put our money where our mouth is...it remains to be seen if your position on a leaderboard is as secure when there's something more than 0 points on the line!
Well I knew you & BigReam were full of shitt, so I did a quick check in our pts histories from 1/4 thru now. I have 4,652 in poker withdrawals, compared to Reams 2,637: http://store.sportsbookreview.com/points/log/bobbywaves http://store.sportsbookreview.com/points/log/BigDeem5
Unlike you, I post facts with links to back up whatever I say. Your time would be much better served concentrating on our heads up contest instead of worrying how much I'm crushing Ream by, as you're falling way behind.
Hrm...cherrypick much? Downsouth took down 4th in the 3PM, so if you only count the last hour, he's crushing you by an INFINITE percentage!!!1!
How about you go ahead and look at ALL the poker winnings you guys have taken in...you can even use the same links you posted! You're gonna wanna take the positive number and add the negative number to it...the result is what we call "winnings". When you compare the two numbers, you can put in a greater sign (the alligator mouth goes towards the bigger number) and then you can see who's won more points. If you can make it through this difficult process, you'll see that Deemer has won considerably more than you, just as I said. I didn't feel the need to post something that was so easy to verify, but if you need everything spelled out for you (as it appears may be the case) maybe we can all chip in and hire you a "special" helper to hold your hand and walk you through these complicated processes
As for our contest, I'd advise you not to confuse running hot for skill....but that's pretty much exactly how you assess your poker skills, so I'm sure it's futile. Good luck though, I'm sure you'll beat me in number of cashes at least
What does DS 4th place finish 2day have 2 do with anything? He''a still behind, is he not? According 2 your twisted logic, if the contest ended yesterday I would have crushed him by an infinite %.
I only had time 2 go back 40 days & stand by my factual #'s. If u check Ream's history, then u would have seen he has played the majority of dailies, contrary 2 his belief.
In our contest u will fall short in pts & be absolutely crushed in cashes. So I'm playing with house $ in the DS contest, which I'll probably win despite the chip dumping collusion attempt by his butt buddy Footballtime.
That's kinda my point...Looking at a narrow time period doesn't provide a reliable conclusion. And no, you wouldn't have beaten him by am infinite percentage... that's not how percentages work. Hopefully you're a little closer to understanding my point though.
It takes far less time to get the total winnings the It does the last 6 weeks...so not really sure what you're talking about there.
Admirable confidence, I could never pull it off with your stats but more power too ya...I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm very open to raising our wager though if you're so confident!
I agree, thus out annual contest which does allow for ample time. Yet Ream & Downmouth didn't participate in this annual contest 2 prove superiority. They prefer 2 use the excuse "I don't play everyday."
Sure, we can raise the stakes. Since I don't c u anywhere on the leaderboard with me, what's your current pts total?
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I'm sitting at 7 cashes for 1180, to your 17 for 3380 it looks like? I'll leave it up to you how much you'd like to raise the stakes, I'm comfortable with anything up to 10k total. Shipping you back your original 2500 in post above, when it's just you and me there's no sense in me holding them...just pay at end of year. Let me know!
Normally I don't like to wager over 10% of my stack. However in this case I'll make an exception, since I'm saving 3k on pro renewal this year. I'll do the 10k, if you're setting me up for some miraculous finish then so be it. Chance I'm willing to take at this juncture.
Thanks for the 2,500 refund. Who knows, I many need that to pay DS. Please confirm at your earliest convenience.
Confirmed, 10k it is! Good luck in the matchup vs DS, may you finish in whichever circumstances allow me to win the most on the wagering! No luck to you of course in our contest, you can have all the luck you want starting next year, none til then please!
What matters most to myself & professionals is a little term called ROI (Return On Investment). So let's crunch the #'s:
BigDeem: 148,683 poker withdrawals divided by 98,278 poker deposits = 1.512888183 (ROI)
Bobbywaves: 41,106 poker withdrawals divided by 6,521 poker deposits = 6.30363441 (ROI)
6.3 > 1.5
In layman's terms to make it easier for you & many others to comprehend: When I reach the same 98,278 poker deposit that Deem has, I would have accrued 619,509 compared to Deem's 148,683!!!!
So all you have proven is that Deem has played more than me, since he has no life.....Congratulations!!!!
You will be hard pressed to find anyone with a higher ROI than my 6.3, but have fun trying.
Just a couple of things wrong with this assessment:
ROI matter to everyone, but when it comes to poker, good players aren't recognized by their winnings compared to their stakes; they're recognized by their winnings. Nobody gives a damn if you're pulling down a huge winrate at 5/10 cent tables, because it's well understood that it's not that difficult. Same principle applies here: playing like a nit and folding your way to a profit because of overlays is not an accomplishment worth bragging about.
The amount of points bought in with isn't proportional to time in cash games obviously...it's also similarly obvious that Deem spends far less time playing poker than you do, not playing many dailies. The fact that he's managed to win more points than you in less time makes his winnings greater in absolute terms and in hourly terms...which are measures of success that actually matter.
If you want to measure your ROI, 6.3 doesn't tell the whole story. Based on a quick glance, it looks like you've played about 440-450 dailies for 5000 points or so. Considering the overlay in a daily is anywhere from +500%-600% (in terms of money SBR adds to the pot), it's safe to say that your ROI can be broken down as follows:
ROI based on actual competitive value (points which would be won based on tournament payouts from just entry fees): approx. 1.25 (not a particularly respectable number for $0.40 buyin tournaments).
ROI based on points given to you by SBR: the rest of it (5.05)
To sum it up, when your poker stats are broken down in the commonly defined measurements for poker tournament success, we see what I've previously described: mediocre results at tiny stakes, as might be expected from anyone who was willing to fold to the bubble. There are obviously some on SBR who do it much better than yourself (20-40 people crush you in points per cash routinely), but there's nothing wrong with mediocre results...there's only a problem when you start to believe they portray you as a better player than you are.
Even taking your claims at full face value and completely ignoring how anyone else in poker defines success, you're pulling down (on average) about 90 points per tournament, or 60 points per hour, or about $2. It doesn't take very much searching to find people on SBR (or any online poker site) who can crush that hourly winrate on a regular basis...many here on SBR do it by heading to ring games with their rollovers, instead of just chopping Omaha hands as you do.
So congrats on being in the top 35% or so amongst routine players here on SBR in one particular category...but you're quite alone in thinking it means you're much of a poker player in general, and any additional criteria thrown in with yours make you tumble to the bottom of the stack pretty quickly. For example, if we hold your solid ability to pick losers in loans against your poker winnings, one could make the argument that you needed to play about 90 dailies just to get back the points you threw away on stud....that's like an executive bragging about making a mediocre salary in his field, but losing most of it to Nigerian princes
Also, it took me all of about a minute to find someone who beat your imaginary 6.3 number: Robber has you crushed, with 250 points won for 29 invested
Dam, I hope TripleD doesn't ever look at my poker stats, could be quite humbling....!
Not sure how you even do it.
downsouth gave Triple_D_Bet 540 Betpoint(s) for this post.
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