[Triple_D_Bet]

As many will remember, wulf and I have had many "discussions" in the past about discrepancies between his claimed repayment rates and the factual evidence. In April, wulfy won a contest for a nice chunk of points and was able to pay off his debt to suman (the longest outstanding one), leaving him with only about 4-5k points of debt left. He looked to be in a good position to wear that debt down and get back on track.

Since then, wulf has sunk much, MUCH deeper into debt, taking out numerous loans (in apparent violation of terms with slickrick, as i doubt slick approved all of them) and digging himself deeper despite massive gifts. To avoid this thread devolving into a he said/he said type deal, below is a table of new loans wulf has taken out in the PAST 2 MONTHS ALONE, totaling 16,760 points:

Date		Poster	Borrowed	Amount Owed	Due	Thread
7/26/2013	loan	trytrytry	1000	1400		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post19133350
7/23/2013	loan	CTOWNisCAPPIN	1000	1200	8/25/2013	http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post19222216
7/22/2013	loan	yisman	1740	740		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...yisman-p2.html
7/20/2013	loan	tennisprofrance	2000	2400	8/10/2013	http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post19196892
7/5/2013	loan	MD	2000	2500	7/25/2013	http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/poker/2154...l#post19074352
6/9/2013	loan	prior22usaf	7100	8520	7/21/2013	http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post18889718
2/3/2013	loan	slickrick	2905	4493	8/1/2013	http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...finalized.html

Additionally, he's received the following points over the last 2 months which may be either gifts or covert loans via PM, for a total of 3,645 points:

Date		Poster	Borrowed	Amount Owed	Due	Thread
7/25/2013	gift?	broadway	500	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post19242896
7/21/2013	gift?	skyscrapers	1000	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post19204956
7/20/2013	gift?	jnickel100	300	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/saloon/248...l#post19203102
7/16/2013	gift?	grabaka	220	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...l#post19172154
7/16/2013	gift?	vaughany	500	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...l#post19172154
7/13/2013	gift?	Bitemeusadoj	300	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post19146084
7/10/2013	gift?	broadway	200	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post19112288
7/6/2013	gift?	eaglephan36	100	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post19080142
7/5/2013	gift?	brad89	200	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post19065398
7/4/2013	gift?	brad89	250	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post19065398
6/29/2013	gift?	eaglephan36	100	??		http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post18998612

All of the above have been checked by me, and none of them are wagers unless conducted entirely via PM. And all this is in addition to the 4,493 he ows slickrick (SlickRick & Wulfman14 Payback Thread - Finalized) (and TheMoneyShot I believe?), bringing his debt total to over 21,000 points before interest or penalties.

Wulf...you've been racking up debt to the tune of 2,100 points per week for the last 2 months, it's past time to stop. Maybe you're planning on spending $1400+ to buy points and repay everyone, and everything will be taken care of eventually...but at the rate you're going it doesn't look good.

Many of the above loans and gifts have been done in relative obscurity and/or via PM, and many of the lenders probably didn't know the full extent of wulf's debt...I wasn't aware of it myself until I did some wondering and some digging. Hopefully this thread will raise awareness and minimize any future enabling.

Wulf...you have to get back on track man or you're going to end up worse than carseller. Forget the usual rhetoric, name-calling, or any other fallacious arguments. Buy as many points as you can and learn the lesson, stop trying to run up a big score to wipe everything out, and get back to gambling within your SBR means...otherwise you're going to leave a lot of people holding the bill.

And carseller, before you open your scam-hole to say something: wulf is still far more likely than you to make things right

[playersonly69]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/feeds/ads/...main=trytrytry

Whats crazy is that he is not from the US!! HE cant even use points!!! Some of these lenders are to blame as well to be honest. Lenders need to do some checking before loaning out points

[playersonly69]

Might be time for shari to step in! I mean at least give the guy a few weeks off

[Itsamazing777]

Lol, since he can't use them. The only thing is he wants attention by trying to be in the biggest winners video
thsts all I can think of

[daneblazer]

Wulf has paid me back. I know he's working on paying back others. Like 25% of what he owes you guys is interest. You guys are worse than banks and payday loan centers

[Triple_D_Bet]

Wulf has paid me back. I know he's working on paying back others. Like 25% of what he owes you guys is interest. You guys are worse than banks and payday loan centers

I see that in your history, I'll edit it off the gift line. Apologies if I missed any other transfers that were repayments of loans, but there's a reason these things are done in threads (although I realize the recent site access problems might prevent that), and the debt speaks for itself.

Good comparison with payday loans, except SBR lenders have even less recourse for recovering points from stiffs, and with the possible exception of Zimbabwe payday loan stores, the currency they loan in doesn't depreciate as quickly as betpoints do Loaning betpoints is almost certainly a -EV scenario, and I doubt any of us do it to get filty rich in ever-more-meaningless betpoints

[ProPicker713]

[Carseller4]

[downsouth]

Team Panhandler and PO69. This thread has it all, its like the points forum circus.

And just clear the record Wulf, clear up how many you do/don't owe so nobody wonders. Transparency is generally the best policy with so little recourse in points lending.

Good luck

[Wulfman14]

i am buying 10 k pts by the end of this week to clear this. another 10 k next week. i am told sbr takes half an hour to credit the points. i wouldnt have accumulated this debt if i could not buy points. im glad you made this thread so people see me kill 70% of this debt tommorow.

[Triple_D_Bet]

i am buying 10 k pts by the end of this week to clear this. another 10 k next week. i am told sbr takes half an hour to credit the points. i wouldnt have accumulated this debt if i could not buy points. im glad you made this thread so people see me kill 70% of this debt tommorow.

Would be good to see that wulfy, I'll be one of the first to say good job on knocking it out...but as you know, I'll also be one of the first to point it out if it doesn't happen!

[no1here]

owes me 500 for 60 days now

[Wulfman14]

getting money to moneybookers , site tech issues have delayed me buying pts. all that has been resolved.
worrry about all the people that have outright stiffed you tripled while mine is all on record. obscure ? hardly. anybody can go into my pts history and see for themselves . woud take some time but how is that any different from searching for all the people who stiffed you and their threads ? its funny how nice you are to the guys that stiff you to get them to pay you back , you coddle them and compliment them for keeping in touch and they dont send you shit. and you throw me under the bus when your points are not bit involved.

i have even PMed you and downsouth about buying points and a way to resolve this . this was about a month ago but as i said india doesnt allow ** transfers abroad. only incoming as dictated by the RBI. because of terrorism and recent attacks they are making it very diffficult to wire transfer money to moneybookers. they want certified and notorized documentation from moneybookers as to why the money is being sent. i ve been trying to figure this out to the point of forgin documents to get the wire transfer approved. not angry at all (although shows what kind of life you lead day by day) and you make me look good when 70% of this loan is paid back by the end of this week. as i said once i send money from moneybookers it takes about half an hour to an hour for me to distribute the pts and kill my loans .

i myself will bump this thread everyday until this is done.

[Wulfman14]

owes me 500 for 60 days now

lol you said you love giving away points and now you want them back ? i have a pm saying you dont care a bout thesee poits and you said no payback necessary. i said i will pay you back anyway and there was no response.

[Wulfman14]

Would be good to see that wulfy, I'll be one of the first to say good job on knocking it out...but as you know, I'll also be one of the first to point it out if it doesn't happen!

i have no problem with that. and just so you know i keep regular contact with all my lenders about this situation. unlike yur borrowers

[tto827]

Wulf has owed me 2075 for a while... There's no rush on it and no interest... But if he's clearing debt just want to make sure it gets remembered

[Triple_D_Bet]

getting money to moneybookers , site tech issues have delayed me buying pts. all that has been resolved.
worrry about all the people that have outright stiffed you tripled while mine is all on record. obscure ? hardly. anybody can go into my pts history and see for themselves . woud take some time but how is that any different from searching for all the people who stiffed you and their threads ? its funny how nice you are to the guys that stiff you to get them to pay you back , you coddle them and compliment them for keeping in touch and they dont send you shit. and you throw me under the bus when your points are not bit involved.

i have even PMed you and downsouth about buying points and a way to resolve this . this was about a month ago but as i said india doesnt allow ** transfers abroad. only incoming as dictated by the RBI. because of terrorism and recent attacks they are making it very diffficult to wire transfer money to moneybookers. they want certified and notorized documentation from moneybookers as to why the money is being sent. i ve been trying to figure this out to the point of forgin documents to get the wire transfer approved. not angry at all (although shows what kind of life you lead day by day) and you make me look good when 70% of this loan is paid back by the end of this week. as i said once i send money from moneybookers it takes about half an hour to an hour for me to distribute the pts and kill my loans .

i myself will bump this thread everyday until this is done.

Heh, not sure you're reading my updates closely enough...when someone's a stiff I don't have anything kind to say about them unless they show a willingness to resume payment (or except when compared to carseller ). I have all my loans documented in a database with the threads included, no digging required....digging through anyone's point history can be tiring when they make points bets with other posters, and when deals are offered via PM and transfer are mixed in it's a huge mess. Like DS said, transparency with all is the best policy.

I remember our discussion (reviewed the PMs actually to refresh my memory) and I agree on the BS money transfer restrictions, but running up debt in anticipation of being able to buy points in the future isn't a good move...if/when it goes wrong, you're stuck with an insane amount of debt.

If you update this thread with a complete record of who you owe, bump it daily and update it weekly, I'll ship 6 points a day for a month to slickrick towards your debt. It's only half a pizza (maybe only a slice by the end of the month ), but it's a free $10 worth of points for you. Make it happen!

[Wulfman14]

Wulf has owed me 2075 for a while... There's no rush on it and no interest... But if he's clearing debt just want to make sure it gets remembered

i dont forget anybody and i have PMed you regarding this already. i think it was 2 weeks ago. you send all good whenever yiou can get it. i said im buying pts so should be soon. you said no rush . i deleted the PM. if you still got it tto then pleaes go ahead and post it . thanks.

[Wulfman14]

Heh, not sure you're reading my updates closely enough...when someone's a stiff I don't have anything kind to say about them unless they show a willingness to resume payment (or except when compared to carseller ). I have all my loans documented in a database with the threads included, no digging required....digging through anyone's point history can be tiring when they make points bets with other posters, and when deals are offered via PM and transfer are mixed in it's a huge mess. Like DS said, transparency with all is the best policy.

I remember our discussion (reviewed the PMs actually to refresh my memory) and I agree on the BS money transfer restrictions, but running up debt in anticipation of being able to buy points in the future isn't a good move...if/when it goes wrong, you're stuck with an insane amount of debt.

If you update this thread with a complete record of who you owe, bump it daily and update it weekly, I'll ship 6 points a day for a month to slickrick towards your debt. It's only half a pizza (maybe only a slice by the end of the month ), but it's a free $10 worth of points for you. Make it happen!

i dont need your 6/day thanks. my first priority is slick rick then everyone else. ill pay them off . but im not going to use this thread as a record . you can do that.

and as i told you i know i can back it up by buying pts thats why i took out these loans after the money transfer restrictions and a quite ingenious way i figured out how to get money to my money bookers account because i know i have the gold to back up the dollar bills in the federal reserve.

[Wulfman14]

Team Panhandler and PO69. This thread has it all, its like the points forum circus.

And just clear the record Wulf, clear up how many you do/don't owe so nobody wonders. Transparency is generally the best policy with so little recourse in points lending.

Good luck

i myself have it written down in aword document as to who i owe and dont owe. the first chart triple d posted is completely legit. the second chart i have to pay skyscrapers and eagles phan. everything else was paid back. all those posters can confirm. i have the word document and will spread out the points based on older loans to newer loans. a lot of lenders in the above chart charged minimal or no interest becaue the are friends of mine and not loan sharks looking to make a living with these points . they just want their points back. none the less most have interest tagged on them except for yisman. cuz hes the man.

[Wulfman14]

i would advise all the haters to keep their mouth shut until friday. then you can go apeshit on me if 70% of this loan is not killed by the buying of points. so benny small nutz, kock, and vegas39 , really only 3 haters i have so shut yur mouths and wait until friday. then you can spew all the lies and insults you want about me. thanks/

[Wulfman14]

dude i never take shots at you but.... i never thought it was possible but im about to make you look even WORSE by paying off 15k in 5 days.

[tto827]

i dont forget anybody and i have PMed you regarding this already. i think it was 2 weeks ago. you send all good whenever yiou can get it. i said im buying pts so should be soon. you said no rush . i deleted the PM. if you still got it tto then pleaes go ahead and post it . thanks.

This is all true. Wulfy reached out to me regarding the debt, and that he would clear it by buying points. I don't like bringing it up publicly Wulf, just as the other guys have said, transparency and knowing the whole story is best for all, so felt necessary to mention it.

BOL getting this all sorted out Wulf.

[Vegas39]

i would advise all the haters to keep their mouth shut until friday. then you can go apeshit on me if 70% of this loan is not killed by the buying of points. so benny small nutz, kock, and vegas39 , really only 3 haters i have so shut yur mouths and wait until friday. then you can spew all the lies and insults you want about me. thanks/

As big of an idiot as I think you are. I actually hope you follow through and do as you say. There are enough stiffs like carseller and snicker doodles on here.

[Wulfman14]

As big of an idiot as I think you are. I actually hope you follow through and do as you say. There are enough stiffs like carseller and snicker doodles on here.

i cant stand you and hate you like poison BUT thanks for not hating on me just yet. gimme till friday.
i aint like any of those two.

[BigDeem5]

Benny/Sweeper called this guy a fukin stiff early

[Wulfman14]

Good comparison with payday loans, except SBR lenders have even less recourse for recovering points from stiffs, and with the possible exception of Zimbabwe payday loan stores, the currency they loan in doesn't depreciate as quickly as betpoints do Loaning betpoints is almost certainly a -EV scenario, and I doubt any of us do it to get filty rich in ever-more-meaningless betpoints

yea ok dude . so you do all this shit for fun is that it ?

[Wulfman14]

Benny/Sweeper called this guy a fukin stiff early

feel free to post again in this thread in 48-72 hours. id love what you have to say then chicken arms.
now go gorge on jj's weiner. isnt that yur biggest meal of the day ?

[tto827]

Benny/Sweeper called this guy a fukin stiff early

Not fair at all to call him a stiff at this point. Very few of these points are "due" and as far as I know he has been making minimum payments on any loans that require such.

Call him an idiot for digging this hole that requires substantial money to buy fukkin tokens as Goat calls them. Ignoring his rants he is a stand up guy, and I think most here would agree that his word is good around these parts.

Sweeps a good guy... Benny ehh jury is still out... But just like almost every bet at SBR... Just another dart chucked.

[tatddy]

Wulf has paid me back every penny owed for the record. He may go apeshit with his points but he always has made good up to this point.

I'd never consider him anything close to a stiff.

[Triple_D_Bet]

yea ok dude . so you do all this shit for fun is that it ?

Tracking this stuff isn't fun in and of itself, and certainly not worth the few points I MIGHT make when everything is paid back (if everyone pays back like they agree and betpoints aren't completely meaningless by then). There is some entertainment value to be had (mostly from pointing out degeneracy, which doesn't require any lending) and I'd be lying if I said I didn't HOPE to come out ahead, but those aren't my main reasons for doing it.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Not fair at all to call him a stiff at this point. Very few of these points are "due" and as far as I know he has been making minimum payments on any loans that require such.

Call him an idiot for digging this hole that requires substantial money to buy fukkin tokens as Goat calls them. Ignoring his rants he is a stand up guy, and I think most here would agree that his word is good around these parts.

Sweeps a good guy... Benny ehh jury is still out... But just like almost every bet at SBR... Just another dart chucked.

Agreed, too soon to call it stiffing in my opinion. Most of the points are past due with no minimums paid on anything, but they're not overdue by all that long...and the overdue could easily be an unfortunate side effect of lengthy process to buy points. Also agree that his word is good in a general sense (as in you'll eventually get points back), just not in the specific sense of abiding by exact terms agreed to...not an admirable quality but not as bad as some for sure.

Having the point-buying process take longer than expected doesn't excuse running up and delaying debt, but wulf's said he's going to come through, and at this point I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt for a few days....just not another loan!

[Wulfman14]

Agreed, too soon to call it stiffing in my opinion. Most of the points are past due with no minimums paid on anything, but they're not overdue by all that long...and the overdue could easily be an unfortunate side effect of lengthy process to buy points. Also agree that his word is good in a general sense (as in you'll eventually get points back), just not in the specific sense of abiding by exact terms agreed to...not an admirable quality but not as bad as some for sure.

Having the point-buying process take longer than expected doesn't excuse running up and delaying debt, but wulf's said he's going to come through, and at this point I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt for a few days....just not another loan!

what are you not understanding. prior is a friend of mine and we fixed the loan at 10k. i hve offered all my lenders interest , some have taken me up on it others have been real harsh (might wanna wine and dine with them tripled), and others have said just pay back the principle.

i have talked to people who bought pts and it takes half an hour to an hour to credit yur betpoints wallet.

am i an idiot for racking up monopoloy point debt and now have to pony up real cash as tto said . yes i agree i am . i dont coddle my points . i bet big , win big , lose big, borrow big, payback big. and anyway this money im repaying to pay back my pts debt would probably have been lost at 5dimes anyway lmao. that just wouldve been a greater rush to begin with. i gamble as a hobby. why did i rack up more pts debt after deciding to buy points, because i have the fukkin money and i can back it up. does it excuse me from running up my debt and delaying it? i think it does when most of those lenders have given me no time table. and i know i have the money to pay back whatever pts/interest(as long as its fair) my lenders want unlike most people here who dont even got 10 bucks offshore.

as far as your comment about not going by my lenders' terms fine. im not good at that i agree. ill work on that part. otherwise stop with the bullshit already.
did this thread give me the kick in the ass to pony up a dime and pay people?, yes. i have had the ability to pay for about a week now. i told you wait till friday . unt il then please stop with the comments i dont like it.

as my bud tatddy said i go apeshit with my points. 1000 pt 3 team parlays . you want that history too ?
and dont tell me you are loaning pts for fun cuz thats bs man. that it is entertaining for you. cuz if that is true yur life is sad man. you are hoping yur lenders pay you back and you make a profit and dont have to gamble them. unfortunately cuz of all the people stiffing you my 3 team parlays have a better chance of getting me profit

[Wulfman14]

and please tell me who has abided by the exact terms , im talking EXACT terms , without some leniency from the lender so that they get what they loaned back. barely a few.

[CTOWNsCAPPIN]

I trust you Wulf that my points will be eventually returned. I won't rush to judgement and I haven't read through this entire thread. You're the first and only I've ever lent out too and would kindly do it again.