[yisman]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post17881328

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-points...l#post17882380

With Wulf I was supposed to get 615 back in April 2012 plus I sent another 200 in January so call it 1k. Call it 9230. Anything owed is still owed so Brock's 400 added.


Wulfman 9230
Carseller 12730
ProPicker: 11,828
secretstash: 10,025

betting:

to win the bet, the person must be completely debt-free. No added loans taken on to payoff old ones, and no side deals to forgive debts or whatever. Every point must be repaid.

I am in the process of making lines. I should have it all up by noon EST.

four way:
secretstash -1750 (max win 100)
Carseller +2600
ProPicker +2350
Wulfman +2700


max risk is 100 on the three longshots

stash vs. field:

secretstash -1750
field +1100 (max risk 100)



3 way:

Carseller +205
ProPicker +157
Wulfman +217


Who will repay the most over the next month? This ends March 25, 2013*

Carseller +180
ProPicker +185
Wulfman +210

edit: betting will be open until Sunday night, so the next month will start Monday

anything like stakes or buying freeplays is not part of debt, so if I buy a fp off carseller and I win, those winnings are obviously not towards debt

*- repay means from points generated not from loans. If you take out a new loan and repay 1000 towards an old loan, that does not count as repaying. Repaying is really talking about generating points with poker/trivia/contests.

[ProPicker713]

So what if we borrow 6 to pay back 7 the next day for poker how does that go about?

[yisman]

I guess that would be ok

but no making 100 6 point loans lol

if it's just a 6 betpoints loan pay back 7 next day for poker we could not count that

but you can't bet on yourself and then take a big loan and repay

taking another real loan like that would make your bet a loser

all points for bets must be posted up

[ProPicker713]

Yep got it.
This will be fun.

[yisman]

trying to iron out rules, I got less than 4 hours of sleep

also looking for numbers for lines

[secretstash]

I owe 10,025 I believe exactly right now.

Some suggestions:

I am not sure whether it is more fair (speaking of the 1 month bets) to consider net paid in /debt lowered by amount/ or just paid towards debt.. I believe 2 guys (cs4 and propicker) have interest added weekly or whenever to the debts they owe.. whereas wulfman has frozen interest so he has the advantage there. However both other guys have advantages as well.. Carseller4 is staked by me daily in poker and sells his trivia to yisman if he wins... propicker gets plenty of side loans/stakes (at least prior to this) and that allows him to pay portions to debt.. not sure if any of the guys are lowering the net amount due or raising it.. but we will find out in this contest (especially the 1 month one)

I also believe that if the participants bet on the contest in anyway then their should also be a clause to them betting that bets will be auto-losses (voided without refund) if they take on any new debt (this does not mean added interest to current ones obviously)... why should this be a clause? Because if they bet on themselves and then add to debt with an unfair advantage over the next guy by borrowing 500 and paying off 1000 it could be considered a questionable move... sure they have the same risk of losing the 500 loan and then worsening scenario but this thread should be about debt REDUCTION not who can get to 20k the fastest. lol ...if this rule goes into affect I think it should not include WEEKLY (daily) poker loans.. weekend ones are off limits imo as that is adding way way to much to debt if lost (30-200 pts) rather than 6 or 7 or so.

Just a suggestion and I think it makes sense.. because it will also avoid them from tanking the competition in some ways too (which is less likely to happen unless 1 of us plans to stiff, which I doubt and would never recommend)

Some wild card things to think of :

wulfman has frozen interest - big advantage upfront if he attacks the debt daily with 6 pts and does well with poker grinding with other 6 in tournaments
carseller4 - pays 6 per day every day like clockwork..hasnt veered from it for 1+ year.
propicker - has the most likely chance for a lender to forgive the debt. His lenders ( I am not sure of all) are slickrick and twiisteddragon.. slickrick will not likely forgive debt (wouldnt be smart)..but twiisteddragon could very easily be banned (not sure if he was able to cashout his pts eventually or not???) and/or he also could just wipe the debt clean because he did in the beginning give 2k free to propicker.. so anything is possible imo.

This is all just a fun thing guys.. but also might get us all to make some serious strides in debt payoff. My plan is to pay 500 a week to my debt (have not veered from that much at all).. so you have roughly 15-20 weeks to beat me if you plan to go against me at yisman's initial 20 to 1 fav line. Maybe he should make a me vs field if yall want to bet me failing and anyone else getting to prevail.. but I would then warn yisman to watch out for me having runners (LOL.. semi jk).. but seriously let me bet something on myself damnit!

GL ALL



-stash

[ProPicker713]

I owe 10,025 I believe exactly right now.

Some suggestions:

I am not sure whether it is more fair (speaking of the 1 month bets) to consider net paid in /debt lowered by amount/ or just paid towards debt.. I believe 2 guys (cs4 and propicker) have interest added weekly or whenever to the debts they owe.. whereas wulfman has frozen interest so he has the advantage there. However both other guys have advantages as well.. Carseller4 is staked by me daily in poker and sells his trivia to yisman if he wins... propicker gets plenty of side loans/stakes (at least prior to this) and that allows him to pay portions to debt.. not sure if any of the guys are lowering the net amount due or raising it.. but we will find out in this contest (especially the 1 month one)

I also believe that if the participants bet on the contest in anyway then their should also be a clause to them betting that bets will be auto-losses (voided without refund) if they take on any new debt (this does not mean added interest to current ones obviously)... why should this be a clause? Because if they bet on themselves and then add to debt with an unfair advantage over the next guy by borrowing 500 and paying off 1000 it could be considered a questionable move... sure they have the same risk of losing the 500 loan and then worsening scenario but this thread should be about debt REDUCTION not who can get to 20k the fastest. lol ...if this rule goes into affect I think it should not include WEEKLY (daily) poker loans.. weekend ones are off limits imo as that is adding way way to much to debt if lost (30-200 pts) rather than 6 or 7 or so.

Just a suggestion and I think it makes sense.. because it will also avoid them from tanking the competition in some ways too (which is less likely to happen unless 1 of us plans to stiff, which I doubt and would never recommend)

Some wild card things to think of :

wulfman has frozen interest - big advantage upfront if he attacks the debt daily with 6 pts and does well with poker grinding with other 6 in tournaments
carseller4 - pays 6 per day every day like clockwork..hasnt veered from it for 1+ year.
propicker - has the most likely chance for a lender to forgive the debt. His lenders ( I am not sure of all) are slickrick and twiisteddragon.. slickrick will not likely forgive debt (wouldnt be smart)..but twiisteddragon could very easily be banned (not sure if he was able to cashout his pts eventually or not???) and/or he also could just wipe the debt clean because he did in the beginning give 2k free to propicker.. so anything is possible imo.

This is all just a fun thing guys.. but also might get us all to make some serious strides in debt payoff. My plan is to pay 500 a week to my debt (have not veered from that much at all).. so you have roughly 15-20 weeks to beat me if you plan to go against me at yisman's initial 20 to 1 fav line. Maybe he should make a me vs field if yall want to bet me failing and anyone else getting to prevail.. but I would then warn yisman to watch out for me having runners (LOL.. semi jk).. but seriously let me bet something on myself damnit!

GL ALL



-stash

He was able to cash them out for legends sportsbook cash. how can he be banned, hardly talks on the forums and usually only post his plays. and my only lenders are Twiisted, Slick and Yis.

[secretstash]

He was able to cash them out for legends sportsbook cash. how can he be banned, hardly talks on the forums and usually only post his plays. and my only lenders are Twiisted, Slick and Yis.

its a wildcard propicker. lol.. more of a joke really.. but people tend to poke at you that he gave you 2k free. so like I said anything is possible bud...I wrote a novel.. there was bound to be some sarcasm involved.

With that being said I might be trying to influence the betting line so yisman gives bad odds



-stash

[ProPicker713]

Well if anyone cared about that since every is nosey as fukk they should also know that 3,574 points went to store purchases buying $350 draftking dollars and a boat load of pizza plus I had paid off like 6,000 worth of loans with the loan twiisted gave me plus i still managed to pay him 2,500 to this day within the month so I think I should get credit where given and everyone should stop being jealous and get the fukk over it that he gave me 2k extra.

[yisman]

lines are up

[yisman]

picker, for your poker example, a 6 betpoints loan would just be excluded from this. paying 7 back would not count as debt payback either

debt payback is just towards the three lenders you mentioned owing, payments to them

[ProPicker713]

Ok cool. and when will lines be down for the monthly wager?

[ProPicker713]

Who will be keeping track of the payback to each lender?

[yisman]

says in first post

I am giving 3 days

friday saturday sunday

for betting

starting sunday night/monday morning at midnight

[ProPicker713]

Ok let the games begin !

[yisman]

max risk is 100 for the big longshots (over +2000)

for the +180 to +250 ones I will do max risk of 300

[ProPicker713]

Yis I did the calculations and total owed for me is Total owed : 11828
not including interest.

Let me know if that affects the lines anyhow.

[yisman]

I will edit first post

[runner5k]

If payments made do not equal debt accrued over this one month time are the bets voided?

[Wulfman14]

stash is correct , pro needs to stop taking out stakes now that this is on. it gives him an unfair advantage. so no more stakes for nobody. not even for the dailies. lets do this thang.

[ProPicker713]

stash is correct , pro needs to stop taking out stakes now that this is on. it gives him an unfair advantage. so no more stakes for nobody. not even for the dailies. lets do this thang.

Lol stakes you should be the last one talking about that.

[ProPicker713]

It's not staking either really since im paying back 7 the next day.
Great job

[yisman]

If payments made do not equal debt accrued over this one month time are the bets voided?

I don't think I understand

it's just whichever one pays most over next month

[RudyRuetigger]

add me

owe 10,650

[secretstash]

add me

owe 10,650

this would make it exciting for me!

Give me odds vs rudy

-stash

[yisman]

ok so rudy owes about 600 more

stash has income

I don't really know how to set odds for this

Say stash -122
Rudy +103
max risk/to win 100?

[secretstash]

If we want full disclosure I can give it. But I have a lot of stiffs who arent paying.. so hard to calculate what my point income is..

I have 20 poker rollovers to do at some point but havent.

I have roughly 6k pts on hand.. but have no plans to pay but roughly 500 to debt each week as I originally agreed at beginning with dngf/downsouth.

I would set the odds much higher, BUT rudy has ability to turn 10 pts into thousands and then always seems to have 10k laying around. lol

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-stash

[yisman]

it's tricky that's why I don't know how to set odds and I didn't really want to do this

you have obvious advantages with a little less debt and a lot more income but rudy is a magician

so I don't know how to weight that

Rudy is as good a borrower as there is. I wish he borrowed from me, lol. He's had a lot of big loans and paid them off in the past and he doesn't have your advantage of income from loans.

[secretstash]

on a side note. I think that poker stakes should be allowed. I will offer same deal I have with carseller with any of you 3 to be fair. I pay the 6 at time of tournament and its a 70% me/ 10% u/ 20% debt.

I will lower to 60me/15u/25debt If you ever get up more than 500 paid to me (net) as the staker.

Sounds like not a deal you want, then prove you can pay more than 20% to debt each and every rollover and you will have beaten the odds (also you must come up with your own 6 obviously)

-stash

[yisman]

I have no issue with poker stakes I don't see why that's an issue. they aren't loans

that's a fair deal

a lot of poker players want 50/50 stakes but I don't see who would offer that. 70/30 is about right.

[RudyRuetigger]

I have a 175pt freeplay on a 4 teamer tonight

and my leftover daily 6

thats it

[secretstash]

I have a 175pt freeplay on a 4 teamer tonight

and my leftover daily 6

thats it

this thing could be over this weekend if you hit that and make 1-2 bets afterwards.

make your bets folks..

yis are all the lines good bro? I am ready to bet some shit

-stash

[yisman]

go ahead and bet. You know this stuff better than me though

[downsouth]

Poker stakes are moronic unless you know your going to lose in poker.

Carseller is a moron for giving away most of anything he could possibly win just so he can go dust them off in blackjack 6 at a time. So even when he miracle 2k win comes he will only walk away with around 600



Also curious, how does it work if/when they take additional loans but payback more then the loan stake. Because you know they all got pms, or whatever looking for additional loans. If mustache takes out a 300 loan and then pays back 500 does he still get credit for the net 200 reduction.


Also, how are last longer bets calculated for since they are generally done on credit with mustache and picker?

Also, can you give me this prop/line. Rudy, versus all (minus stash). Pays off debt to zero, borrows 10k again, loses it and then pays it off again before the other 3.

Good luck guys

[yisman]

my head hurts