[yisman]

You make a guaranteed profit by going pro.

13 points a day by logging in and making a fantasy post. 4745 for the year.

Then you get trivia twice a week. 104 trivias in a year. You should be able to get an average of like 40 fp points, or say 30 real points. 30*104=3120

and that's without playing poker, which is guaranteed profit because there's an overlay on every tournament.

[RudyRuetigger]

I have almost $200 in gift cards worth of points that I could cash in by going pro, yet I don't have $200 lying around?

I'm not into Poker, trivia, contests, betting in the sportsbook, etc. I would collect my 12 points per day and not even break even for the year if I went pro (last I checked, $200 in gift cards is 5,136 points, which is much less than the 4,380 you accumulate per day posting).

It just doesn't matter to me either way; the whole system is irrelevant unless you're going to take advantage of it by putting points in play, which is what SBR is expecting but something I'm just not interested in. I also think it's funny that any non-pro basically has a 5,000 point ceiling; SBR would take away any points over 5,000 if I went pro tomorrow.

but you would get the 5000 that you carry over plus the 4380 for 9380

basically I would've been done gambling, but now I have (2000 points) $78 on a 3 teamer tonight

[No coincidences]

but you would get the 5000 that you carry over plus the 4380 for 9380

basically I would've been done gambling, but now I have (2000 points) $78 on a 3 teamer tonight

Right -- initially. But beyond cashing in right now, what benefit would I have in the future to being a pro (unless I "gambled" with the points)?

I guess I just don't understand the gap between the amount of points you would accumulate in a given year if you posted every day (4,380) vs. the amount for a $200 gift card to break even if you just let the points sit (5,136). That's a 756 point difference, or basically the equivalent of $30. I suppose you could tell me I'm being a cheapskate and I should pony up the $30 a year given how much I post on this site. I guess that's a fair point -- just not enough of a motivating factor for me to complete the "paperwork."

I guess if I played a lot of poker, contests, trivia, or had a vested interest in betting points, I would've done it a long time ago.

[secretstash]

you are already at 5k though coin.. so your argument doesnt work man

5k bring in + 4k earned = 9k which is way more than $200.. you can win your argument only if you come into pro with ZERO 0 pts.. which you dont have, and that is why they are telling you that your wasting free money.

-stash

[No coincidences]

you are already at 5k though coin.. so your argument doesnt work man

5k bring in + 4k earned = 9k which is way more than $200.. you can win your argument only if you come into pro with ZERO 0 pts.. which you dont have, and that is why they are telling you that your wasting free money.

-stash

Yeah. I don't even know -- do you still have to post $$$ up to a sportsbook? That was my problem initially -- I already had accounts at all of the offered books, and didn't want to join any new ones. I guess I should look into it. Could use the gift cards on diapers and stuff for my kids. Of course, it'd be $200 up front for the pro membership in exhange for $150 or whatever in gift cards, so I wouldn't really be gaining anything.

I guess what I'm saying is this: for me, it's $200 (pro fee) to get $200 in giftcards up front, then from that point on, it's $200 per year to get $170 in gift cards. Meh.

[yisman]

I guess what I'm saying is this: for me, it's $200 (pro fee) to get $200 in giftcards up front, then from that point on, it's $200 per year to get $170 in gift cards. Meh.

It's not true. You earn more than it costs.

I deposited $200 in DSI to start, then I was able to renew without depositing more (even though I did make other deposits) by just maintaining a $200 balance. That initial $200 deposit also made me eligible for Beat the Prick, a very +EV proposition.

Then you are allowed to renew with points, as an existing pro.


Being a pro has really cost me nothing (except some time) and I've profited thousands of dollars (counting all the charity donations).

There really is no logical argument against being a pro unless you are very protective of your name and address.

But anyone who is still a non pro is not likely to be convinced.

[No coincidences]

It's not true. You earn more than it costs.

I deposited $200 in DSI to start, then I was able to renew without depositing more (even though I did make other deposits) by just maintaining a $200 balance. That initial $200 deposit also made me eligible for Beat the Prick, a very +EV proposition.

Then you are allowed to renew with points, as an existing pro.


Being a pro has really cost me nothing (except some time) and I've profited thousands of dollars (counting all the charity donations).

There really is no logical argument against being a pro unless you are very protective of your name and address.

But anyone who is still a non pro is not likely to be convinced.

If you don't use your points for anything (contests, trivia, poker, etc.) though and just let them accumulate -- i.e., just take the points at face value -- I'm paying $200 up front for basically the same amount in gift cards and then $200 per year for less than that.

Again, if I put the points in action, I could absolutely see the benefits. But I've really never been interested in any of the stuff you do with them, so that's where my lack of motivation has come from. Does that make sense?

[tto827]

If you don't use your points for anything (contests, trivia, poker, etc.) though and just let them accumulate -- i.e., just take the points at face value -- I'm paying $200 up front for basically the same amount in gift cards and then $200 per year for less than that.

Again, if I put the points in action, I could absolutely see the benefits. But I've really never been interested in any of the stuff you do with them, so that's where my lack of motivation has come from. Does that make sense?

So go pro, get $400 back this year. Then if you have 3,000 points, renew, if not don't. Doesn't make sense why you'd turn down free $.

[No coincidences]

So go pro, get $400 back this year. Then if you have 3,000 points, renew, if not don't. Doesn't make sense why you'd turn down free $.

Is there any distinct disadvantage to giving SBR your name and address? What do they do with that info?

[playersonly69]

You make a guaranteed profit by going pro.

13 points a day by logging in and making a fantasy post. 4745 for the year.

Your numbers are off here yisman! But I dont expect to be able to show it to you with math. You are too stubborn to listen to math formulas.


But he doesnt get 4725 points more by turning pro. He gets 6 points per day more by turning pro, so about half of your number. Remember that the will ALWAYS get his free first 6 points.


And your estimate on trivia is too high for most posters to obtain.

[BigDeem5]

No coin, do you have 200 dollars or not?

I only place bets in sbr book about 10x a year... Or when I get free play. I do the trivia and play some poker.

Overall, being a pro makes you eligible for huge prizes + an assured like 200 in gift cards per year. +EV.

Simple concept for even someone who bets solely on line movement

[No coincidences]

No coin, do you have 200 dollars or not?

I only place bets in sbr book about 10x a year... Or when I get free play. I do the trivia and play some poker.

Overall, being a pro makes you eligible for huge prizes + an assured like 200 in gift cards per year. +EV.

Simple concept for even someone who bets solely on line movement

You obviously can't read. I don't do trivia, contests, bet in the book or anything else. So at best, I'd be down the $30 per year difference between points accumulated and the gift cards I can obtain.

The only reason I'd go pro at this point is to cash in the 5,000 points I have in the bank right now. I'd then cash in my points next February and not renew my membership. And the only reason why I'd even consider it now is because SBR puts a 5,000 point cap on non-pros, which means every point I obtain from here on out is just flushed.

Again, the point system and turning pro makes sense if you play poker, make point bets, do trivia, contests -- whatever. If the points sit idly, there is nothing to gain.

[yisman]

Your numbers are off here yisman! But I dont expect to be able to show it to you with math. You are too stubborn to listen to math formulas.

You aren't even familiar with basic math. A non pro can't use points. So whatever points he earns don't count for anything (unless he's carrying over, which is excluded). Pro points are worth something. 4745 points.

But he doesnt get 4725 points more by turning pro. He gets 6 points per day more by turning pro, so about half of your number. Remember that the will ALWAYS get his free first 6 points.

Worthless points since he has over 5k. Those 6 points are not worth anything to him. So once again, you are wrong. He goes from 0 to 13 a day by going pro.

And your estimate on trivia is too high for most posters to obtain.

Wrong. It might be high for you but that's for reasons already alluded to.

[BigDeem5]

You obviously can't read. I don't do trivia, contests, bet in the book or anything else. So at best, I'd be down the $30 per year difference between points accumulated and the gift cards I can obtain.

The only reason I'd go pro at this point is to cash in the 5,000 points I have in the bank right now. I'd then cash in my points next February and not renew my membership. And the only reason why I'd even consider it now is because SBR puts a 5,000 point cap on non-pros, which means every point I obtain from here on out is just flushed.

Again, the point system and turning pro makes sense if you play poker, make point bets, do trivia, contests -- whatever. If the points sit idly, there is nothing to gain.

You don't do trivia? You log in everyday and it says Do you want to play poker, You can click yes or no... not much effort exerted.


Why would u not click 2 links and sign up for contests where you could win $5,000?

Are you illiterate?

[No coincidences]

You don't do trivia? You log in everyday and it says Do you want to play poker, You can click yes or no... not much effort exerted.


Why would u not click 2 links and sign up for contests where you could win $5,000?

Are you illiterate?

The only thing I do here is post. I don't do trivia, no. I don't do poker, no.

Do the contests cost points? Have you ever won these contests for $5,000?

I don't play the lottery either if you want to know, because that's what it sounds like you're asking me.

[tto827]

The only thing I do here is post. I don't do trivia, no. I don't do poker, no.

Do the contests cost points? Have you ever won these contests for $5,000?

I don't play the lottery either if you want to know, because that's what it sounds like you're asking me.

You can't do trivia until you are a pro. It literally pops up and takes a whopping 35 seconds to complete, trust me if you were a pro you would do trivia.

Anyway its your loss if you don't go pro, so I'm going to stop trying to change your mind.

[No coincidences]

You can't do trivia until you are a pro. It literally pops up and takes a whopping 35 seconds to complete, trust me if you were a pro you would do trivia.

Anyway its your loss if you don't go pro, so I'm going to stop trying to change your mind.

Like I said, I'll go pro only because I'm over 5,000 points now, take the gift cards, cash in on the gift cards again a year from now, and let my pro status expire in February '14. No big deal.

[tto827]

Like I said, I'll go pro only because I'm over 5,000 points now, take the gift cards, cash in on the gift cards again a year from now, and let my pro status expire in February '14. No big deal.

Good idea.

[dngf]

Rudy, looked through your points history and did not see my handle or downsouth on the first page. Pretty worrisome if you asked me. So I sent you 5,000 above. good luck.

[RudyRuetigger]

Rudy, looked through your points history and did not see my handle or downsouth on the first page. Pretty worrisome if you asked me. So I sent you 5,000 above. good luck.

downsouth asked me to create a thread... i will send in that thread