[tenbas]

You know how on frequent flyer programs if you buy the "merch" they offer, it's never really worth it in the long run? I've bought 2 ipads from here... and both times I could've had a way better deal on sportsbook cash. Could've bought 2 ipads and ended up with maybe $500 left over or more if I was really lucky? I ended up overpaying bigtime - even in this buttfukk island country that marks everything up hugely and claims "import issues". The only items you want to buy from here are sportsbook cash, pizza and gift cards. Most gift cards aren't available outside the US and even when they physically are, the companies SBR deals with don't want a bar of it. Electronic stuff is for those people who just want something (ie me)... they might think they'll never be able to save up the cash or don't feel guilty paying betpoints for it. But seriously as gamblers, which we're all supposed to be, that's silly... we should know to compare prices and find out what's +EV. It's just liking buying booze or perfume from those catalogues on a plane. You're paying more for the privilege of paying with points than you would with cash.

Good points, yes. But.
You could've also lost, don't forget that. Because if you order an iPad you will not lose it. You cannot gamble it. You order and you receive.
If you would've ordered cash - well - then you would've to work HARD to get 2 ipads.
And I think that one click and it is done, is way +EV (even though you lose 10,20% or I don't know how much, money) than sign up with certain link, deposit 50 bucks, and 5x rollover!

Or maybe it is just really easy for everybody to rollover couple of times. I know it that is not case in my example.

Not to even mention stress, ugh.

[tenbas]

You lack basic skills of reading and understanding, Duff85. Not to mention you are horribly rude.

From your lack of evidence of any basic gambling knowledge - I really hope you are not gambling at all. Just stick to gambling those betpoints son.

I am gambling. But you are forgiven because "You lack basic skills of reading and understanding".

[Al Masters]

From your lack of evidence of any basic gambling knowledge - I really hope you are not gambling at all. Just stick to gambling those betpoints son.

What a scumbag you are,learn english before you start taking shots at posters.

[tenbas]

Duff85 or any other professional gambler that makes insane amounts of money (like Duff85, who is an absolute pro), I have a question about rollover.

Can you just bet on both teams and lose some money (juice), repeat couple of times and that's it?

[shari91]

Good points, yes. But.
You could've also lost, don't forget that. Because if you order an iPad you will not lose it. You cannot gamble it. You order and you receive.
If you would've ordered cash - well - then you would've to work HARD to get 2 ipads.
And I think that one click and it is done, is way +EV (even though you lose 10,20% or I don't know how much, money) than sign up with certain link, deposit 50 bucks, and 5x rollover!

Or maybe it is just really easy for everybody to rollover couple of times. I know it that is not case in my example.

Not to even mention stress, ugh.

True.

But there are ways... documented all over SBR many times... where you guarantee a very good chunk of your rollover, regardless of your plays. Buying those iPads was horribly stupid of me... any financial advisor or friend with a clue would say the same. However I knew my kid would be so excited he might break one (which he did) and I didn't want to spend money on it. I just felt spending "points" didn't matter. So he broke one and I got another. All from SBR - which is lovely and amazing and especially just for my son it's a huge deal. However if I were being smart Shari gambler, it would've been sportsbook cash all the way. He could've still had the 2 ipads and I would've had cash in my pocket. No hesitation. The deal we get as non US is by far the best one available solely because of legislation. We're actually quite silly by not taking advantage of it. You and I both.

[BeerDog99]

Poster BeerDog also suggested this to them,just charge the shpping on to the points or to the reciever,
not sure if SBR ever responded to his suggestion.

Nope, no response.

I assume SBR believes they addressed the issue, that is confirming no more SBR store for non-USA posters, and left it at that.

[numismatist]

I guess I don't understand what all the fuss is about, or the rude, persnickety answers from the likes of Duff85 just because people bought a membership to something and then the rules got changed afterwards. I can understand only shipping physical merchandise to the US-OK, no problem-totally understandable. But what is the difference between shipping a gift card to Canada and shipping it to the United States? Please don't tell me it's because it costs more to ship them-its a gift card. I can use American gift cards because I am within 1 hour of the border, and I know for certain there are no laws restricting me from using them.
I am just curious. A reasonable answer would go a long way towards me renewing, since the main reason I became an SBR pro in the first place was for the betpoints. Thanks.

[tenbas]

True.

But there are ways... documented all over SBR many times... where you guarantee a very good chunk of your rollover, regardless of your plays. Buying those iPads was horribly stupid of me... any financial advisor or friend with a clue would say the same. However I knew my kid would be so excited he might break one (which he did) and I didn't want to spend money on it. I just felt spending "points" didn't matter. So he broke one and I got another. All from SBR - which is lovely and amazing and especially just for my son it's a huge deal. However if I were being smart Shari gambler, it would've been sportsbook cash all the way. He could've still had the 2 ipads and I would've had cash in my pocket. No hesitation. The deal we get as non US is by far the best one available solely because of legislation. We're actually quite silly by not taking advantage of it. You and I both.

As soon as I find that I will maybe be a bit happier person.
I laughed.

[BeerDog99]

I guess I don't understand what all the fuss is about, or the rude, persnickety answers from the likes of Duff85 just because people bought a membership to something and then the rules got changed afterwards. I can understand only shipping physical merchandise to the US-OK, no problem-totally understandable. But what is the difference between shipping a gift card to Canada and shipping it to the United States? Please don't tell me it's because it costs more to ship them-its a gift card. I can use American gift cards because I am within 1 hour of the border, and I know for certain there are no laws restricting me from using them.
I am just curious. A reasonable answer would go a long way towards me renewing, since the main reason I became an SBR pro in the first place was for the betpoints. Thanks.

I can only guess, this is because SBR is having financial struggles in this anti-gambling climate in the US. My guess is that it boils down to this, in the lovely free and democratic country of USA, gambling has essentially been outlawed. SBR does not want to lose the USA posters as they are the biggest group on SBR so they have to continue giving away the non-sportsbook stuff (e.g. ipads, gift cards....etc).

Given they cannot sell the sportsbook cash to the US players, they have to force the rest of the world to generate their affiliate/rakeback revenue to make the money for SBR and cover the US SBR Store costs.

The only possible way to try and make that happen is to remove everything but the sportsbook cash for the rest of the world, less cost and hopefully more revenue.

That is my guess...

[Mitchell88]

I can only guess, this is because SBR is having financial struggles in this anti-gambling climate in the US. My guess is that it boils down to this, in the lovely free and democratic country of USA, gambling has essentially been outlawed. SBR does not want to lose the USA posters as they are the biggest group on SBR so they have to continue giving away the non-sportsbook stuff (e.g. ipads, gift cards....etc).

Given they cannot sell the sportsbook cash to the US players, they have to force the rest of the world to generate their affiliate/rakeback revenue to make the money for SBR and cover the US SBR Store costs.

The only possible way to try and make that happen is to remove everything but the sportsbook cash for the rest of the world, less cost and hopefully more revenue.

That is my guess...

sounds like a very educated guess

[tenbas]

I can only guess, this is because SBR is having financial struggles in this anti-gambling climate in the US. My guess is that it boils down to this, in the lovely free and democratic country of USA, gambling has essentially been outlawed. SBR does not want to lose the USA posters as they are the biggest group on SBR so they have to continue giving away the non-sportsbook stuff (e.g. ipads, gift cards....etc).

Given they cannot sell the sportsbook cash to the US players, they have to force the rest of the world to generate their affiliate/rakeback revenue to make the money for SBR and cover the US SBR Store costs.

The only possible way to try and make that happen is to remove everything but the sportsbook cash for the rest of the world, less cost and hopefully more revenue.

That is my guess...

You were probably reading my mind, I have the exact same theory. SBR is coming to the times of great struggle, because the effects of online ban of US citizens are getting to its high peak (was not said well, but you get my point). This business model was not made for sudden ban of gambling.

What I also think is that they should do the exact opposite of what they're doing. They are trying to "squeeze" everything they can from non-us citizens and focus on USA. Instead they should lure more non-us citizens here. Offer them everything that can be offered, try to become an authority world wide like they became in the USA.

I know that you must have balls of steel to invest in such times - but many many times in history companies showed that it just might be the right tactics. Or you can cut down costs which sort of what they are doing.

[SBR_John]

Shipping costs have a lot to do with it. Also, duplicate shipping due to lost, damaged or missing merchandise is considerably higher with packages sent internationally. We may look at adding gift cards and other items that do not require shipping.

It's much more cost effective to offer international users sportsbook cash. They are all Pro's anyway and the overwhelming choice as it is for international users.

[k13]

Duff85 or any other professional gambler that makes insane amounts of money (like Duff85, who is an absolute pro), I have a question about rollover.

Can you just bet on both teams and lose some money (juice), repeat couple of times and that's it?

Depends on the book.

No different than arbing you could say...without profit.
People have different opinions on it.

[numismatist]

Shipping costs have a lot to do with it. Also, duplicate shipping due to lost, damaged or missing merchandise is considerably higher with packages sent internationally. We may look at adding gift cards and other items that do not require shipping.

It's much more cost effective to offer international users sportsbook cash. They are all Pro's anyway and the overwhelming choice as it is for international users.

Appreciate you taking the time to answer, John. I do think that looking into offering giftcards where the recieving party is responsible for shipping costs to your non-US Pro's might be a good way of luring people like me into re-upping. I would have no problem at all paying $10 shipping for 200 bucks worth of Wal-Mart gift cards.
I do understand, however, that you are running a business and margins are likely pretty tight.

[k13]

Appreciate you taking the time to answer, John. I do think that looking into offering giftcards where the recieving party is responsible for shipping costs to your non-US Pro's might be a good way of luring people like me into re-upping. I would have no problem at all paying $10 shipping for 200 bucks worth of Wal-Mart gift cards.
I do understand, however, that you are running a business and margins are likely pretty tight.

GiftCards to you should be $0.88 for shipping.

I understand "physical" products being expansive to ship to Europe/Australia. That adds up quickly.

[Optional]

Shipping costs have a lot to do with it. Also, duplicate shipping due to lost, damaged or missing merchandise is considerably higher with packages sent internationally. We may look at adding gift cards and other items that do not require shipping.

It's much more cost effective to offer international users sportsbook cash. They are all Pro's anyway and the overwhelming choice as it is for international users.

It might be nice to have FreePlay cash back as a cheaper alternative too if that is possible?

And maybe one more book that is international friendly? Like a Bet365 or similar.

[Duff85]

What a scumbag you are,learn english before you start taking shots at posters.

Duff85 or any other professional gambler that makes insane amounts of money (like Duff85, who is an absolute pro), I have a question about rollover.

Can you just bet on both teams and lose some money (juice), repeat couple of times and that's it?

You two deadshits had a go at my English? Where was it horribly unreadable you fukking plebs?

My point stands if you can't figure out how to relatively risk free cash out your betpoints, you should not be gambling.

[Duff85]

Depends on the book.

No different than arbing you could say...without profit.
People have different opinions on it.

Throw in a second book and you have no problems. Look for some arbs and you might make money on the deal.

[tenbas]

I did not go at your English (as a 3rd language, mine is far from perfect and I would be a hypocrite for judging yours), please read again:

"You lack basic skills of reading and understanding".

God you are rude!

[tenbas]

Fine idea John, go for digital distribution - costs the same everywhere and a lot of people will be satisfied. Besides, I don't really think it is postage that is a problem... it's just a business model, explained above. We are 2013, every company (reputable) has gift cards, coupons etc digitally distributed.

[BeerDog99]

Shipping costs have a lot to do with it. Also, duplicate shipping due to lost, damaged or missing merchandise is considerably higher with packages sent internationally. We may look at adding gift cards and other items that do not require shipping.

It's much more cost effective to offer international users sportsbook cash. They are all Pro's anyway and the overwhelming choice as it is for international users.

John, thanks for replying!

I would really like the gift cards back/expanded!

Also, if there was a shipping uplift cost on bigger items for non-US folks, that is understandable.

Cheers and thanks again!

[BeerDog99]

You were probably reading my mind, I have the exact same theory.

LOL, beer helps hone the extra senses......

[Al Masters]

My point stands if you can't figure out how to relatively risk free cash out your betpoints, you should not be gambling.

Young and clueless,wish i could go back to those days,must be fun.

Dude maybe some of us have passed the stage of needing to figure the best
way to "relatively risk free cash out our betpoints".

Heres the difference, i came here for information and entertainment,you came herefor betpoints and free hand outs.

I got 3 locals with credit,Pinny,and the Greek,bet College Football and NHL hockey like a mad man and play poker some 20 hours a week at my local casino,this combined with the fact i got real life responsibilities like a girlfriend a car,a condo,and Yes a real job to,makes it hard for me to be motivated to try and convert 5k points into a few bucks which then must be rolled over
5x plus i must run to ** to send in a depo $50with that,then cross my fingers to get my cash out.

If you or anyone other SBR pro chose to do that,thats great,respect,it's all good,thats what the betpoints program is all about,nothing wrong with trying to make something out of nothing,heres the problem, when morons like yourself believe that if your not doing the right thing with your points you shouldn't be gambling. fucckin really laughable.

Get back to us when you turn 18.

[tto827]

Young and clueless,wish i could go back to those days,must be fun.

Dude maybe some of us have passed the stage of needing to figure the best
way to "relatively risk free cash out our betpoints".

Heres the difference, i came here for information and entertainment,you came herefor betpoints and free hand outs.

I got 3 locals with credit,Pinny,and the Greek,bet College Football and NHL hockey like a mad man and play poker some 20 hours a week at my local casino,this combined with the fact i got real life responsibilities like a girlfriend a car,a condo,and Yes a real job to,makes it hard for me to be motivated to try and convert 5k points into a few bucks which then must be rolled over
5x plus i must run to ** to send in a depo $50with that,then cross my fingers to get my cash out.

If you or anyone other SBR pro chose to do that,thats great,respect,it's all good,thats what the betpoints program is all about,nothing wrong with trying to make something out of nothing,heres the problem, when morons like yourself believe that if your not doing the right thing with your points you shouldn't be gambling. fucckin really laughable.

Get back to us when you turn 18.

You're going at it with the wrong dude here. Although he may have come across as a dick, he sure as fukk knows what he's talking about when it comes to gambling. Depositing $50 and rolling over shouldn't be a problem if you "bet like a madman".

[tenbas]

You're going at it with the wrong dude here. Although he may have come across as a dick, he sure as fukk knows what he's talking about when it comes to gambling. Depositing $50 and rolling over shouldn't be a problem if you "bet like a madman".

Well. I agree with Al Masters and let me tell you why.
I joined SBR 2010 (I was lurking since 2008). In 2012 I went PRO with the intention of getting the iPod Classic (I lost mine, no biggie, someone is having fun). iPod gets remove from the store, I contacted Sam and he was nice enough to order one for me even if it was removed from the store. So got enough points and I ordered it this November - so I would get it for Christmas. I didn't because apparently there is a new law for batteries so it can't be sent abroad. Now SBR made it impossible anyway for us foreigners.

Now I got 4k points that I can use for - gambling. I've been gambling the whole year, had quite a run. I know when I'm lucky, I'm not gonna fool myself that I'm pro gambler or that I'm good at it. In the end it's always plus or minus.

So if I want to use the points I have to register with SBR link, scan and send all the papers, wait for bookie that it gets approved, deposit money, bet for almost 2k $ and then maybe get a withdrawal. Can't I just use points for something else for a change? Seriously, even I can't believe the money I have deposited and withdrew from Betfair in 2012, I didn't even enjoy it because it's too stressful for me.

If I knew I'd have to get through all this for not even 300$ bookie cash (with rollover) I would've NEVER EVER gone PRO in the first place. I can also understand that many americans envy me the situation we have - because a lot of you are just really eager to bet. So please also understand my dilemma, you don't have to be pricks like that kid above.

ps: I just ordered iPad and iPod from English Ebay. I seriously can't wait anymore

[benandjerry]

So, where is this sportsbook cash again? All I see is dozen of roses, lillies and daisy poms along some electronics and other crap. So for some reason it sees me as US I guess?

[opie1988]

Foreigners

(j/k)

[Duff85]

Young and clueless,wish i could go back to those days,must be fun.

Dude maybe some of us have passed the stage of needing to figure the best
way to "relatively risk free cash out our betpoints".

Heres the difference, i came here for information and entertainment,you came herefor betpoints and free hand outs.

I got 3 locals with credit,Pinny,and the Greek,bet College Football and NHL hockey like a mad man and play poker some 20 hours a week at my local casino,this combined with the fact i got real life responsibilities like a girlfriend a car,a condo,and Yes a real job to,makes it hard for me to be motivated to try and convert 5k points into a few bucks which then must be rolled over
5x plus i must run to ** to send in a depo $50with that,then cross my fingers to get my cash out.

If you or anyone other SBR pro chose to do that,thats great,respect,it's all good,thats what the betpoints program is all about,nothing wrong with trying to make something out of nothing,heres the problem, when morons like yourself believe that if your not doing the right thing with your points you shouldn't be gambling. fucckin really laughable.

Get back to us when you turn 18.

Don't be such a fukking mush. I'm going to make a few points in reply to your dumbarse post and then i'm done here.

1) I like how you try and put SBR handouts on me. I have cashed out very few points over the years and I am primarily here to engage in discussion about gambling topics etc.

2) The poster that you are backing is a whiny little bitch looking for handouts. Which makes the first point funnier. Surely you recognise that this clown shouldn't be gambling. In this thread alone he displays compulsive behaviour. Not knowing basic concepts of gambling like arbitrage is worrying, as is the fact that he obviously never used a search function in his life.

3) I have over 10 active books and make over a thousand bets a month. Want to have that pissing contest?

4) I have no idea why you of all people (who has a disdain for those that are here for handouts) would come in here backing a point scab and having a go at me. Whatever works for you though.