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    "DJ vs. Jay" Proline-style-Parlay Throw-Down is Open to All...

    *(3-team-minimum...to-6-team-maximum) Parlays (emulating the format of Proline tickets in general...but with reasonable online-book-type odds rather than the generally-crappy convenience-store odds)

    *all participants start with a fictitious 10k credits and make as many fictional 100-credit (1% of starting capital) plays as they wish, within the budget and the contest duration...all/only parlay plays actually available on SBR sportsbook are acceptable and must be posted in "100 to win _______" format along with the DATE AND TIME you saw it and decided to hit it...

    *honor system here, ok guyz...post your "plays" within 15min max of your seeing it and deciding to play it on the SBR-sportsbook

    *also honor system for accurately grading your results...stick exactly to the "100 to win ______" implications and report your result as the remaining credit balance...as long as you've got 100 credits you're account is still active...fall below that and you're frozen

    * I propose a duration from Mon, April 09 to Sunday, April 29 inclusive (21 full days)...

    *Jayvegas420 and dj_destroyer have stakes among themselves that will be settled, see for background
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...dition-p6.html

    *for others that opt in, once we have an idea of how many...we can decide to each pop in a few points and work out a prize structure of our own...

    but the real purpose of this exercise is to anecdotally check out the common conception that consistently buying parlays is equivalent to pissing your money away
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    Checking in.

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    Jesus christ what a bunch of losers these parlay players are....

    Im game

    Most of the benefit of playing Pro Line/Sport Select lines is that you get stagnant lines.... are we playing Vegas lines or stale numbers available through "Pro Line"?

    If "Pro Line" odds - are all provinces/territories provided the exact same numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpreadSniper View Post
    Jesus christ what a bunch of losers these parlay players are....

    Im game

    Most of the benefit of playing Pro Line/Sport Select lines is that you get stagnant lines.... are we playing Vegas lines or stale numbers available through "Pro Line"?

    If "Pro Line" odds - are all provinces/territories provided the exact same numbers?
    To be honest, I didn't originally think it was a parlay contest. Don't really like parlays unless like you said, it's with Proline's stagnant lines. In fact, I'm running a thread doing this exact thing and Jay couldn't quite understand the concept... so here we are. A parlay contest with Vegas odds.

    I'm game.

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    Just because I disagree with your method doesnt mean I dont understand it. I understand that you feel you have an edge betting the OLG odds, I just disagree with how you come to this edge & how you apply it.

    And also. Should we input our parlay into the SBR sportsbook then use that payout in this thread, or are we able to book hunt the best odds we can find?

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    I'm going to use Pinny odds...

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    I will be using the SBR sportsbook odds or Bet365.

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    I made a left turn at Albuquerque...

    So is this just basically a plain old parlay contest? No stagnant lines?

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    I believe the lines would be static, depending on when you bet them & they are placed into min 3 game parlay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    I believe the lines would be static, depending on when you bet them & they are placed into min 3 game parlay.
    Vegas lines are dynamic, OLG/WCLC/ etc lines would be considered static as they do not move off the opener.

    So, are we playing parlays with Vegas odds or the odds provided through say.....

    05-Apr-2012
    2 12:00 11:00 BBL BOS DET -0.5
    3 12:00 11:00 BBL ATL NYM -0.5
    4 12:30 11:30 BBL PHI -1.5 PIT
    5 13:15 12:15 BBL WSH -1.5 CHC
    6 14:00 13:00 BBL TOR -0.5 CLE
    7 15:00 14:00 BBL MIA CIN -1.5
    8 18:00 17:00 BBL LAD -1.5 SD
    31 18:00 17:00 BKT NY ORL -4.5
    32 18:30 17:30 BKT WSH DET -6.5
    33 20:30 19:30 BKT BOS CHI -6.5
    34 21:00 20:00 BKT LAC -5.5 SAC
    62 18:00 17:00 HKY TB TOR -0.5
    63 18:00 17:00 HKY WPG NYI -0.5
    64 18:00 17:00 HKY BUF PHI -0.5
    65 18:00 17:00 HKY NYR PIT -0.5
    66 18:00 17:00 HKY FLA WSH -0.5
    67 18:00 17:00 HKY MTL CAR -0.5
    68 18:30 17:30 HKY BOS OTT -0.5
    69 18:30 17:30 HKY NJ DET -0.5
    70 19:00 18:00 HKY DAL NSH -0.5
    71 19:00 18:00 HKY CHI -0.5 MIN
    72 20:00 19:00 HKY CLB COL -1.5
    73 20:00 19:00 HKY VAN -0.5 CGY
    74 20:30 19:30 HKY ANA EDM -0.5
    75 21:30 20:30 HKY SJ LA -0.5

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    Yes you are correct, I totally lost track of what I was saying & said it wrong.
    The lines we will be using are not static.
    Actually I am still confused.
    The lines are constantly changing but when you wager your line that you get is static.
    Unlike horse racing where you bet at particular odds but your payout changes right up to post time regardless of when you bet.
    Anyway, I dont see why it matters that the lines are dynamic or static in sports betting as you will receive fixed odds when you place your parlay.
    But like I said, I might be missing something here, I took a right in New Mexico which makes as lost as you right now.

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    So parlay contest using Vegas odds, 3 - 6 teamers only with a base bet of $100 with a fictitious BR of 10k? Limited to $100/play?

    Guess Im not sure how this contest is "emulating" the Sport Select format??

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    you need to have a minimum 3 games on a sportselect ticket.
    the BR is irrelevant. It could be $10k, 100K 100M doesnt matter.
    You are right, the only difference is that we will be utilizing Vegas Odds rather than the crappy OLG odds.

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    Also, even though I am happy with the rules as they stand I think DJ wanted soccer to be included. I dont think this is available in the SBR sportsbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    Also, even though I am happy with the rules as they stand I think DJ wanted soccer to be included. I dont think this is available in the SBR sportsbook.
    Which is why I will use Pinny...

    And to be honest, you should too. Then you can't complain after it ends about getting worst odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayvegas420 View Post
    Anyway, I dont see why it matters that the lines are dynamic or static in sports betting as you will receive fixed odds when you place your parlay.
    This, bro, is why you don't understand how Proline is the most beatable market.

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    hmmm...i understand that proline can be a very hi-variance but +eV because of the odd stagnant line that sticks out like a diamond in the rough...a visit to prolineplayer.com makes this clear...altho i've noticed usually just one or two of these +eV (or marginal) babies per day...and since u need at least 3 selections on a card, u still have to be clever in combining them to give urself a +eV card...this is the part that still is boggling my mind...it's clear that using the one or two daily gems in a three-item-plus format is an ART form...i'd like to learn that art...which is why i started following along the original thread...then Jay challenged DJ's money-logistics and here we are...

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    Is there any good reason why this couldn't be a dead-simple format (use your hypothetical $1000 any way you see fit over the rest of the month to purchase any Proline tickets at odds that are actually-available in convenience stores in Ontario)?...i realize that this is exactly what DJ was doing on the original thread...but one good thing is the new thread has managed to attract another conoisseur of stale Proline odds...so perhaps we can just pickup where we were before the conflict/challenge arose.

    SpreadSniper could jump in with a budget of 1000 (while DJ just reboots his budget from the last thread to a fresh 1000) and join Jay with a 1000-credit budget in a 21-day race to see who can do the most damage (theoretical--and real if you choose to actually buy the tickets you post) to OLG.
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    Ultimately this is Jay's challenge to DJ...i tried to help out...but seem to have just cocked things up (as the Brits would say)...what do you think, Jay...just go head to head with him on the basis of the proline cards available in our corner stores...with no "funny accounting" allowed


    Apologies for the tentative nature of things so far...but we may be on to something now (particularly if we recorded the Pinny odds on each Proline card played...would allow for a direct objective evaluation of the possible "bargains" inherent in Proline's current configuration..it would show up in how the online-book's parlay and proline-cards would stack up when both are reduce to a simple "x to win y" format.)
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    OK I did the best I could to set this league up so we can get started.
    Here's what I did
    Contest name: The Prolone Challenge
    Duration: April 6th-April 13th
    Max Plays : 199
    Min Plays: 0
    Bet Range: (1) I did not know what this used for.
    Base Betting: yes
    Best Bets Required: 0
    Show opponents pending plays: yes
    Point Entry fee: 0
    Grading Method: Net Units
    Team contest: no
    Sportsbook Setting: I couldn't do anything on this page.

    I didnt see where I would be able to set this up as a PARLAY ONLY league.
    any help would be nice.
    Also I assume that bet range is the amount you can wager per bet but, I am not totally sure.
    I made a password for those who want to join
    It is
    OLG

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    You can't make parlays in that contest... At least I can't figure it out.

    Are we doing offshore odds or Proline odds?

    Does it start today or Monday?

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    If it starts today with Vegas odds:

    WagerType:PARLAY (4 TEAMS)
    Date: Team:
    Apr 06 NBA [704] NEW JERSEY -7½-110
    Apr 06 NBA [712] SAN ANTONIO -11½-110
    Apr 07 SOC [25210] CHELSEA -365
    Apr 07 SOC [26833] BARCELONA -850
    Risking 100 SBR To Win 418.96 SBR

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    dam I was hoping that we could have the SBR S/W keep track.
    Maybe we will cancel the parlay rule & we will a just pick game for game.
    Unless we can figure out if any of the SBR contests or leagues allow parlays.
    the contest I set up was to begin today so, if we cant use parlays in the contest we will just use the standard one pick per bet format.

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    Contest also doesn't allow soccer... so no SBR contest format.

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    What do you suggest?

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    I see youve put some picks in, we'll just use the standard SBR contest that I set up then?
    It looks like it is just you & I & houlihansTX.
    Youre off to a good start too!
    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer View Post
    If it starts today with Vegas odds:

    WagerType:PARLAY (4 TEAMS)
    Date: Team:
    Apr 06 NBA [704] NEW JERSEY -7½-110
    Apr 06 NBA [712] SAN ANTONIO -11½-110
    Apr 07 SOC [25210] CHELSEA -365
    Apr 07 SOC [26833] BARCELONA -850
    Risking 100 SBR To Win 418.96 SBR
    1-0
    +$418.96

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    1-0
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    Selection 1: MLB, Baseball
    Los Angeles Dodgers 10-April-2012 1:10 PM PST
    Money Line for Game -214
    K. Correia must start C. Kershaw must start
    Selection 2: MLB, Baseball
    Arizona Diamondbacks 10-April-2012 7:05 PM PST
    Money Line for Game -113
    T. Cahill must start E. Volquez must start
    Selection 3: NBA, Basketball
    Washington Wizards 10-April-2012 4:05 PM PST
    Handicap +5.5 for Game -115
    Selection 4: NBA, Basketball
    Cleveland Cavaliers 10-April-2012 4:05 PM PST
    Handicap -6.5 for Game -110
    Selection 5: Italy - Serie A, Soccer
    Napoli 11-April-2012 11:45 AM PST
    1X2 for Game -226
    Selection 6: Germany - Bundesliga, Soccer
    Bayer Leverkusen 11-April-2012 11:00 AM PST
    1X2 for Game -234
    Risking 100.00 to Win 1932.39 CAD

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    Im confused are we using this format, the SBR format or both?

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    Well the SBR format is nothing to what the original contest was about... No parlays, no soccer, nothing really. Just a pissing contest which I'm all game for. But I'll also piss in this thread and light some parlays on fire, like the original contest was intended for.

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    Adding:

    Padres [+102]
    Atlanta +1 & +1.5 [-111]
    Kaiserslautern +1 & +1.5 [-107]

    $25 to win $160.74

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer View Post
    Well the SBR format is nothing to what the original contest was about... No parlays, no soccer, nothing really. Just a pissing contest which I'm all game for. But I'll also piss in this thread and light some parlays on fire, like the original contest was intended for.
    OK.
    I'll spend some time this week & weekend putting some parlays in.
    GL

    What do you think of parlaying NHL 1st Round Playoff Series'?

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    WagerType:PARLAY (8 TEAMS)
    Date: Team:
    Apr 11 NBA [501] PHILADELPHIA -190
    Apr 11 NBA [503] INDIANA -450
    Apr 11 NBA [509] TOTAL o197-110 (UTAH vrs HOUSTON)
    Apr 11 NBA [520] DENVER -460
    Apr 12 NHL [58] NY RANGERS -180
    Apr 12 NHL [60] BOSTON -185
    Apr 11 MLB [910] PHILAD -140 [Action]
    Apr 11 MLB [925] NY YAN -188 [Action]
    Risking 10 SBR To Win 262.85 SBR


    WagerType:PARLAY (5 TEAMS)
    Date: Team:
    Apr 11 NBA [501] PHILADELPHIA -4-110
    Apr 11 NHL [56] VANCOUVER -160
    Apr 12 NHL [60] BOSTON -185
    Apr 11 MLB [913] SAN FR -128 [Action]
    Apr 11 MLB [925] NY YAN -188 [Action]
    Risking 15 SBR To Win 180.62 SBR


    WagerType:PARLAY (4 TEAMS)
    Date: Team:
    Apr 11 NBA [503] INDIANA -8½-110
    Apr 11 NBA [509] TOTAL o197-110 (UTAH vrs HOUSTON)
    Apr 12 NHL [58] NY RANGERS -180
    Apr 11 MLB [929] LA ANG -182 [Action]
    Risking 25 SBR To Win 194.61 SBR

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    Proline Challenge





    Rank
    Name Record Win Percent Streak Action Units Pending
    1 HoulihansTX 8-3-0 72.73 % W 3 17.0 +4.63 -
    2 dj_destroyer 4-2-0 66.67 % L 1 54.5 +1.64 -
    3 chingo 2-0-0 100.00 % W 2 13.5 +1.49 -
    4 Jayvegas420 9-10-0 47.37 % L 1 -15.0 -2.04 14 pending

    Not looking very good so far for Jayvegas420

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    One game away from $1900... Oh well, we move on.

    1-2
    +$293.96

    Selection 1: NBA, Basketball
    Los Angeles Clippers 12-April-2012 5:05 PM PST
    Money Line for Game -310
    Selection 2: NBA, Basketball
    San Antonio Spurs 12-April-2012 5:35 PM PST
    Money Line for Game -220
    Selection 3: NHL OT Included, Hockey
    St. Louis Blues 12-April-2012 4:35 PM PST
    Money Line for Game -165
    Selection 4: National Rugby League, Rugby League
    Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 14-April-2012 2:30 AM PST
    Money Line for Match -455
    Risking 114.30 to Win 316.58 CAD

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    Even though its a loss, WELL DONE.
    What kind of cards do you collect btw?

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