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Is Johan Santana still the best pitcher in baseball?
Last season he was shaky the whole first half and now he's off to the same kind of start this year. Don't get me wrong, I still consider him one of the top pitchers in the league & would love to have him on my fantasy team but do you think there are some other pitchers (Peavy, Webb) who deserve #1 consideration?
The best pitcher in baseball is Jake Peavy.
of course he is. His entire career he has been a 2nd half pitcher, but most expect him to win every time especially now with the type of money he got in New York.
Sorry, Peavy's stuff isn't as good as Santana. I would take Halladay over Peavy any day...
falseOriginally Posted by St. Andrew
Really?
2007:
Halladay 3.71 ERA, 139 K's, 232 hits in 225 innings
Peavy 2.54 ERA, 240 K's, 169 hits in 223 innings
Don't ever type nonsense such as that again.
peavy is better than halladay
johan
peavy
top 2 by a mile
best big game pitcher"? beckett. peavy is not the man when it comes to playoffs
cheng-ming wang
wang is not CLOSE to those other guys
he is good but he isnt even as good as webb
nobody is scraed of wang the way they fear peavy and johan
come on now
All Wang does is wins, but in today's (gotta see some K's world of fantasy baseball) he is overlooked.
19-6
19-7
3-0
Yep. 41-13 works just fine for me. How 'bout you?
nope, he hasn't been for the last 1 1/2 yrs
i know wang is good
but he is not as good as those other
compare run support also
You can't go wrong with either Peavy or Santana. I would say Peavy because he has the advantages of PETCO.
I don't care about era, cause its useless. Peavy does have a major advantage in Petco, but I don't cut Halladay any slack. While he may not strikeout as many batters, he knows the art of pitching, which is lost in today's baseball.
both great pitchers. Just cause we don't agree doesn't mean my opinion is nonsense. Look at Peavy's 2006 season posting a 4.06 era. IMO, Doc has been pitching longer vs better lineups longer. There was a time where Doc was not so hot until he changed his delivery.
SP
Santana
Peavy
Hamels
Smoltz
cueto
RP
Papelbon
Saito
Chamberlain
K-Rod
Wagner
Santana will not win over 16 games this year. Wanna bet?
did someone just put cueto in the top 5?
thats funny
Peavy is definetly not the best pitcher in baseball.
He pitches in the national league it's like AA ball.
Johan does not have the same stuff anymore, there is a reason the Twins let him go. They are one of the best run team in baseball.
Halliday,beckett, wang, Sabathia, are all better then both of those guys. However even how weak the national league is I still think brandon Webb is the best pitcher and has the best stuff.
johan doesnt have the same stuff? the twins let he and hunter go because they odnt have money, not bc he doesnthave the same stuff
he has the exact stuff.
wang is not better than danny haren, or lackey, i can name a lot of dudes better than wang
johan s the best
every yr
this thread shows me how many idiots watch baseball.
lackey? are you ****ing serious? He has one good year...gimme a break.
Wang has more wins last 2 years than all of them
austin makes a good point.
Same story with haren, lets not crown his ass right away.
Not true my friend. Get your facts straight next time you come to the table. They did have the money and they chose to spend it on Joe Nathan instead. They had other options at closer but still took nathan over Santana who has been the face of the pitching staff for years. I'm just saying I belive the twins think he is not as dominent for whatever reason anymore. It's early lets give Johan some more time.
lackey has one good year eh? yeah, you watch a lot of baseball.
Lackey and Wang are at the same level.
that may be true
but haren is better
so is carmona
Carmona and Haren in no way deserve to be better then Wang.
Carmona has never even led a pitching staff.
carmona sure had a nice yr last yr didnt he? wang is a good solid pitcher, his stuff isnt close to carmonas
not close
wang isnt better than penny, he isnt better than webb
he gets wins, he gets run support, he ks nobody
he is solid, if he werent a yankee nobody would evercome close to naming him in the top tier
he is not top 10
It was carmona first year pitching full time buddy. Let's see what happens this year when the hitters get more use to his stuff. I'm not saying he will have a bad year I am saying let's see. Wang has had 3 solid seasons now.
penny is a head case. i would not want him pitching for my team. No way he could cut in the American league.
i am the most knowledgeable person on baseball at this forum.
Last year was Lackey's best year by far. First time he posted 19 wins and while his career era is flirting with 4.00 he posted a 3.01 era last season. My point it I wouldn't expect another season from Lackey like last year.
Same thing goes for Carmona and CC. Carmona was a horrible bullpen pitcher and then he has a great year. Obviously mechanics changed, but lets see how he does this season, especially with the money they just threw at him.
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