[Illusion]

MLB has already recieved a copy of the Michell report. It is due to be released publicly on Thursday. I heard that it has a list of 65-80 past and current players are named in the report. Stand by, because this is gonna get interesting.

[shady610]

For some reason i really dont care. It means nothing to me. I cant get worked up over people who were not breaking any rules. Maybe i think this whole steroid story is more of a media being bored issue, than MLB actualyl caring. I dont even think the fans care.

Besides, once the names are released, all the athletes are gonna come out and defend their name. They will all proclaim their innocents.

With thay being said, I will be SHOCKED if the following names are on the list

A rod
Ryan howard
Vlad
Beltran
Jeter
J rollins
Ichiro
Torii hunter

[moses millsap]

60-80 players during the entire steroid period. MLB wastes 60 million dollars for this shit?

Just a few years ago before they implemented the drug program, they did blanket testing to see the numbers and it was 5% THAT year, that's 100+ for a single year and now 20-40 less over the span of 20 years.

Many will be protected and the only thing to wonder is why those on the list got on there while MANY others slipped through the cracks.

[Willie Bee]

Yawn.

[bigboydan]

Breaking news...Just reported on ESPN news just now that Clemens and Pettitte are on this list.

If this story is true, then so much for the rocket on being a first time HOF'er.

[MJFtheGenius]

Brady Anderson,
Manny Alexander,
Rick Ankiel,
Jeff Bagwell,
Barry Bonds,
Aaron Boone,
Rafaeil Bettancourt,
Bret Boone,
Milton Bradley,
David Bell,
Dante Bichette,
Albert Belle,
Paul Byrd,
Wil Cordero,
Ken Caminiti,
Mike Cameron,
Ramon Castro,
Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
Roger Clemens,
Paxton Crawford,
Wilson Delgado,
Lenny Dykstra,
Johnny Damon,
Carl Everett,
Kyle Farnsoworth,
Ryan Franklin,
Troy Glaus,
Rich Garces,
Jason Grimsley,
Troy Glaus,
Juan Gonzalez,
Eric Gagne,
Nomar Garciaparra,
Jason Giambi,
Jeremy Giambi,
Jose Guillen,
Jay Gibbons,
Clay Hensley,
Jerry Hairston,
Felix Heredia, Jr.,
Darren Holmes,
Wally Joyner,
Darryl Kile,
Matt Lawton,
Raul Mondesi,
Mark McGwire,
Guillermo Mota,
Robert Machado,
Damian Moss,
Abraham Nunez,
Trot Nixon,
Jose Offerman,
Andy Pettitte,
Mark Prior,
Neifi Perez,
Rafael Palmiero,
Albert Pujols,
Brian Roberts,
Juan Rincon,
John Rocker,
Pudge Rodriguez,
Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis,
David Segui,
Alex Sanchez,
Gary Sheffield,
Miguel Tejada,
Julian Tavarez,
Fernando Tatis,
Maurice Vaughn,
Jason Varitek,
Ismael Valdez,
Matt Williams and
Kerry Wood.

These are the names I hear.

[Willie Bee]

Yawn.

[MJFtheGenius]

Yawn.

Yea, nobody suprising, I guess I am most suprised by jason Varitek.

they did not protect Pujols though, I am not suprised he took steroids but just that he made the list

[bigboydan]

Albert Belle and Juan Gonzalez were no brainers really.

Gonzalez was always injured every year it seemed like and Belle had some very serious roid rage incidents throughout and even beyond his playing days.

[pavyracer]

Brady Anderson,
Manny Alexander,
Rick Ankiel,
Jeff Bagwell,
Barry Bonds,
Aaron Boone,
Rafaeil Bettancourt,
Bret Boone,
Milton Bradley,
David Bell,
Dante Bichette,
Albert Belle,
Paul Byrd,
Wil Cordero,
Ken Caminiti,
Mike Cameron,
Ramon Castro,
Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
Roger Clemens,
Paxton Crawford,
Wilson Delgado,
Lenny Dykstra,
Johnny Damon,
Carl Everett,
Kyle Farnsoworth,
Ryan Franklin,
Troy Glaus,
Rich Garces,
Jason Grimsley,
Troy Glaus,
Juan Gonzalez,
Eric Gagne,
Nomar Garciaparra,
Jason Giambi,
Jeremy Giambi,
Jose Guillen,
Jay Gibbons,
Clay Hensley,
Jerry Hairston,
Felix Heredia, Jr.,
Darren Holmes,
Wally Joyner,
Darryl Kile,
Matt Lawton,
Raul Mondesi,
Mark McGwire,
Guillermo Mota,
Robert Machado,
Damian Moss,
Abraham Nunez,
Trot Nixon,
Jose Offerman,
Andy Pettitte,
Mark Prior,
Neifi Perez,
Rafael Palmiero,
Albert Pujols,
Brian Roberts,
Juan Rincon,
John Rocker,
Pudge Rodriguez,
Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis,
David Segui,
Alex Sanchez,
Gary Sheffield,
Miguel Tejada,
Julian Tavarez,
Fernando Tatis,
Maurice Vaughn,
Jason Varitek,
Ismael Valdez,
Matt Williams and
Kerry Wood.

These are the names I hear.

I'm speechless! Are you telling me now that not only the balls and bats are juiced but also the pitchers and hitters?

Wow! This is one heck of a home run!

[ShamsWoof10]

YAWN!!!

They make it sound like it's a shock that growth hormones and steriods were used in the past... Anyone who read Lyle Alzado's book knows that they have been used by players since the early 70's... Lyle commented that he mixed the two and took heavy doses... Mixed the two..??? WTF>???

[isetcap]

At least 10 potential HOFs on that list. More if you want to argue about it.

[pavyracer]

At least 10 potential HOFs on that list. More if you want to argue about it.

Maybe the easiest thing to do is freeze the HOF with the players already inducted and create a new one called SHOF, S for steroid, for the new guys.

[BuddyBear]

Clemens was a no brainer too.....you ever see his physique when he was younger compared to now. A 45 year old man still pitching at such a high level should have been the first clue.

Bonds has been taking the bullet (or the needle) for the entire league now for the past few years. You see why so many players were quick to "defend" him b/c they were probably doing it themselves. Let's see how the media treats Roger Clemens now.

[The Seer]

YAWN!!!

They make it sound like it's a shock that growth hormones and steriods were used in the past... Anyone who read Lyle Alzado's book knows that they have been used by players since the early 70's... Lyle commented that he mixed the two and took heavy doses... Mixed the two..??? WTF>???

You don't mix the two, so I don't know what he was talking about. Anyway, the HGH that Lyle took was the old kind that was extracted from human cadavers. It was found this was killing people (like Lyle). Now all the hgh is synthetic and won't kill you.

[ShamsWoof10]

You don't mix the two, so I don't know what he was talking about. Anyway, the HGH that Lyle took was the old kind that was extracted from human cadavers. It was found this was killing people (like Lyle). Now all the hgh is synthetic and won't kill you.

I think he meant that he was using them at the same time but I don't know for sure...

I agree the old HgH was not as safe or efficient but my point was it was used decades ago.... I also seriously doubt LYLE was the only one back then doing it as Barry Bonds is not the only one doing it now...

I say who cares let them do genetic manipulation for all I care just share it with me is all I ask...

[Wassymac]

Yea, nobody suprising, I guess I am most suprised by jason Varitek.

they did not protect Pujols though, I am not suprised he took steroids but just that he made the list

Not sure where that list came from. Varitek & Pujols are not in the report. In fact, about half the names on that list aren't in the actual report.

[astro61200]

What a waste of tax money

[ChuteBoxe]

Huge waste of money, and for what? To make MLB look stupider? That's all it did. They need to put this shit behind them, 20% or higher of all the MLB players in the league juiced at one point or another. Also, as much as the league wants to pretend, that now no one will be on roids, they're nuts. Guys will always piss for a teammate. Look at Phil Simms. LT used to put the cocaine in his eye drops and come out after the half all coked up. He was never caught. Story now, is Simms pissed for him.

[Willie Bee]

Clemens was a no brainer too.....you ever see his physique when he was younger compared to now. A 45 year old man still pitching at such a high level should have been the first clue.

So you're saying that Nolan Ryan was undoubtedly using some sort of PEDs when he pitched? How about Satchell Paige or Hoyt Wilhem, steroids abusers as well I guess

[louisvillekid]

i think it is ridiculous that they(MLB) commissioned this report and now that it comes out they go "well that was the past, we'll just have to rewrite the rules some more", they're going to just sweep it under the rug. my question is "what the F*#K did we need this for?" i do like that it has been a big deal about hitters hitting home runs at a crazy pace, but to find out there is a buttload of pitchers linked is somehow comical to me. and i didn't see "slammin" Sammy Sosa on there. i could go on and on about this , but blah blah blah.................................... .........................

[LUNT101]

Those names are wrong...

[tacomax]

I vote for Willie Bee to be the baseball commissioner. Seriously.

[MJFtheGenius]

Even though we all wanted more names in this report i think we are all forgetting the point of the Mitchell report., the point of it was to make baseball realize it has a problem and force baseball to do something about for the future of the game. Which I think it did, the report was not meant to punish people or put baseball to misery.

[tacomax]

the report was not meant to punish people

So why did it name players in something resembling a kangaroo court of justice? Didn't see Selig or the owners being singled out.

[MJFtheGenius]

So why did it name players in something resembling a kangaroo court of justice? Didn't see Selig or the owners being singled out.

No not publicly but you have to ask the question, did this provide a wake up call to baseball that they have a serious problem and need to have the best testing possible. Plus, Mitchell even said he reccomends none of the current players be punished for getting mentioned on the list.

[imgv94]

PLAYERS NAMED IN THE REPORT INCLUDE:


Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Mike Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Mark McGwire
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
F.P. Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun



No Red Sox's

[jon13009]

Even if those players took Steroids or any other performance enhancing substance, it was not against MLB rules at the time. Does any one have a specific date as to when MLB indicated performance enhancing drugs were "against the rules" and did so by putting it to their own set of guidelines?

IMO, Selig and the MLB administrators of the past and present are the ones to blame here because they allowed it to happen, and in a way encouraged the use of these substances because they failed to do anything about it at the time due to a variety of reasons (a desire to promote baseball through home runs, fear of the players union, lack of incentive, stupidity....) - while many other sports already had testing and specific rules in place at the time to combat this issue.

I hope MLB will follow a basic guideline of the Mitchell Report in letting the past go and moving forward because it will be virtually impossible to punish all those involved in past performance enhancement use.

Now that Clemens and other prominent pitchers have been listed in this thing, it seems that both hitters and pitchers alike were using performance enhancers, and the names on that list may just be the tip of the iceberg.

What really bothers me the most is how Selig stood up on that podium proclaiming how MLB will act in this matter and trying to look self righteous while he and many other MLB administrators were equally to blame in this matter along side the players who used those substances.

[Wassymac]

I believe the report mentioned 1991 was the year performance enhancing drugs were banned. In 1971 they banned using any medication without a legal prescription.

[jon13009]

Thanks Wassymac,

So, it was technically against the rules in that you could argue that the steroids and HGH were obtained with falsified or bogus prescriptions. The grey areas are the performance enhancers obtained and used with regards to injury recovery and other health issues where they may have been used appropriately.

Regardless of that fact, MLB had the responsibility to test and punish offenders to this rule instead of allowing the players and team administrators to police this themselves.

If MLB had known about the issues regarding performance enhancing drugs since 1991 (or earlier) they should have taken responsibility to enact appropriate steps at that time.

[imgv94]

B.S that Sammy Sosa was left off. Anyone agree?

[Illusion]

B.S that Sammy Sosa was left off. Anyone agree?

His name will eventually surface. He probably got his roids through another source yet to be busted.

[moses millsap]

His name will eventually surface. He probably got his roids through another source yet to be busted.

**** that. Sammy's innocent and he doesn't know how to speak English.