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    2018 Hall of Fame - Who you got?

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    Rules are pick 10 - Who you think deserves in?



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    What the hell is Brad Lidge doing on this ballot?

    Here's your stats.


    Batting Stats Pitching Stats
    Rk Name YoB % of Ballots G AB R H HR RBI SB BA OBP W L ERA WHIP SV SO
    1 Trevor Hoffman 3rd 74.00% 1007 34 1 4 0 5 0 0.118 0.118 61 75 2.87 1.058 601 1133
    2 Vladimir Guerrero 2nd 71.70% 2147 8155 1328 2590 449 1496 181 0.318 0.379
    3 Edgar Martinez 9th 58.60% 2055 7213 1219 2247 309 1261 49 0.312 0.418
    4 Roger Clemens 6th 54.10% 95 179 5 31 0 12 0 0.173 0.236 354 184 3.12 1.173 0 4672
    5 Barry Bonds 6th 53.80% 2986 9847 2227 2935 762 1996 514 0.298 0.444
    6 Mike Mussina 5th 51.80% 22 52 3 9 0 5 0 0.173 0.189 270 153 3.68 1.192 0 2813
    7 Curt Schilling 6th 45.00% 402 773 39 117 0 29 1 0.151 0.178 216 146 3.46 1.137 22 3116
    8 Manny Ramirez 2nd 23.80% 2302 8244 1544 2574 555 1831 38 0.312 0.411
    9 Larry Walker 8th 21.90% 1988 6907 1355 2160 383 1311 230 0.313 0.4
    10 Fred McGriff 9th 21.70% 2460 8757 1349 2490 493 1550 72 0.284 0.377
    11 Jeff Kent 5th 16.70% 2298 8498 1320 2461 377 1518 94 0.29 0.356
    12 Gary Sheffield 4th 13.30% 2576 9217 1636 2689 509 1676 253 0.292 0.393
    13 Billy Wagner 3rd 10.20% 810 20 1 2 0 1 0 0.1 0.143 47 40 2.31 0.998 422 1196
    14 Sammy Sosa 6th 8.60% 2354 8813 1475 2408 609 1667 234 0.273 0.344
    15 Chipper Jones 1st 2499 8984 1619 2726 468 1623 150 0.303 0.401
    16 Jim Thome 1st 2543 8422 1583 2328 612 1699 19 0.276 0.402
    17 Scott Rolen 1st 2038 7398 1211 2077 316 1287 118 0.281 0.364
    18 Andruw Jones 1st 2196 7599 1204 1933 434 1289 152 0.254 0.337
    19 Johan Santana 1st 117 248 11 40 1 9 0 0.161 0.191 139 78 3.2 1.132 1 1988
    20 Johnny Damon 1st 2490 9736 1668 2769 235 1139 408 0.284 0.352
    21 Carlos Zambrano 1st 365 693 75 165 24 71 1 0.238 0.248 132 91 3.66 1.331 0 1637
    22 Jamie Moyer 1st 236 400 24 51 0 15 0 0.128 0.199 269 209 4.25 1.322 0 2441
    23 Omar Vizquel 1st 2968 10586 1445 2877 80 951 404 0.272 0.336
    24 Chris Carpenter 1st 196 439 18 52 2 21 0 0.118 0.145 144 94 3.76 1.276 0 1697
    25 Livan Hernandez 1st 491 973 64 215 10 85 0 0.221 0.231 178 177 4.44 1.44 1 1976
    26 Orlando Hudson 1st 1345 4825 648 1319 93 542 85 0.273 0.341
    27 Kevin Millwood 1st 241 472 22 57 4 27 0 0.121 0.158 169 152 4.11 1.328 0 2083
    28 Kerry Wood 1st 341 346 23 59 7 32 0 0.171 0.196 86 75 3.67 1.267 63 1582
    29 Carlos Lee 1st 2099 7983 1125 2273 358 1363 125 0.285 0.339
    30 Aubrey Huff 1st 1681 6104 806 1699 242 904 37 0.278 0.342
    31 Hideki Matsui 1st 1236 4442 656 1253 175 760 13 0.282 0.36
    32 Jason Isringhausen 1st 500 104 11 21 2 16 0 0.202 0.241 51 55 3.64 1.328 300 830
    33 Brad Lidge 1st 578 7 0 2 0 2 0 0.286 0.286 26 32 3.54 1.291 225 799

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    My 10

    Hoffman
    Edgar
    Vlad
    Moose
    Thome
    Chipper
    Schilling (I hate the prick, but he is deserving)
    Kent

    Final 2 picks - OK I give in, I'll ignore the steroids
    Bonds
    Clemens

    Matsui was so clutch but he won't sniff the Hall

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    I think 10 is way too many. I pick...

    Hoffman
    Vlad
    Chipper

    Johan and Thome are close. Screw the PED users. I don't get the hype for Edgar Martinez. A few guys I never woulda thought made this list (Zambrano, Huff, Millwood, Lidge)

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    So many hackers

    Hall meaningless now

    Bonds
    Clemens

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    Quote Originally Posted by slambam View Post
    I think 10 is way too many. I pick...

    Hoffman
    Vlad
    Chipper

    Johan and Thome are close. Screw the PED users. I don't get the hype for Edgar Martinez. A few guys I never woulda thought made this list (Zambrano, Huff, Millwood, Lidge)
    Yes, Edgar was pretty much a DH most of his career, but he played a lot of 3B in the beginning of his career.
    He is the greatest DH in the history of the game, you want to throw Papi in the mix I won't argue.
    Edgar was the elite DH of his generation.
    His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame 3B men.
    His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame hitters.

    Depending on what metrics you use he was between the top 30 to 40 hitters of all time.
    I'm not a big fan of DH's going to the Hall, but Edgar was a rare hitter, and he and Griffey put Seattle on the map.

    PLAYER CAREER WAR PEAK WAR JAWS HITS HR SB AVG/OBP/SLG OPS+
    Edgar Martinez 68.3 43.6 56.0 2,247 309 49 .312/.418/.515 147
    Avg. HOF 3B 67.5 42.8 55.2
    Avg. HOF CI 66.4 42.6 54.5
    Avg. HOF hitter 67.0 42.2 54.6
    As clutch as Carter was. No debate


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    Hoff and Chipper auto's

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Yes, Edgar was pretty much a DH most of his career, but he played a lot of 3B in the beginning of his career.
    He is the greatest DH in the history of the game, you want to throw Papi in the mix I won't argue.
    Edgar was the elite DH of his generation.
    His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame 3B men.
    His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame hitters.

    Depending on what metrics you use he was between the top 30 to 40 hitters of all time.
    I'm not a big fan of DH's going to the Hall, but Edgar was a rare hitter, and he and Griffey put Seattle on the map.

    PLAYER CAREER WAR PEAK WAR JAWS HITS HR SB AVG/OBP/SLG OPS+
    Edgar Martinez 68.3 43.6 56.0 2,247 309 49 .312/.418/.515 147
    Avg. HOF 3B 67.5 42.8 55.2
    Avg. HOF CI 66.4 42.6 54.5
    Avg. HOF hitter 67.0 42.2 54.6
    As clutch as Carter was. No debate

    Yea, maybe I'm just not old enough. I didn't get to see him in his prime, but looking at his numbers they don't stick out at me as great. Curious what your thoughts are on Scott Rolen? Looking back I never thought of him as a HOFer when he played. Very good, but not HOF caliber. Comparing numbers, his are very comparable to Edgar - Edgar was a bit better in hits/average/obp/ops, but Rolen is very close or ahead of him in just about every other offensive category, plus Rolen is arguably one of the best 3rd basemen defensively if his generation (if not longer). Honestly I think that's part of the reason I don't see it with Edgar. Just seems like he's Rolen plus more singles and walks, minus SBs and all-world defense.
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    Ive gotta think Vlad and Hoffman are sure fire this year...........I would also give the nod to Chipper, with Thome just missing the cut, and likely getting in a couple years. I think Edgar will eventually get there, but he has alot of momentum he needs to catch over the next handful of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slambam View Post
    Yea, maybe I'm just not old enough. I didn't get to see him in his prime, but looking at his numbers they don't stick out at me as great. Curious what your thoughts are on Scott Rolen? Looking back I never thought of him as a HOFer when he played. Very good, but not HOF caliber. Comparing numbers, his are very comparable to Edgar - Edgar was a bit better in hits/average/obp/ops, but Rolen is very close or ahead of him in just about every other offensive category, plus Rolen is arguably one of the best 3rd basemen defensively if his generation (if not longer). Honestly I think that's part of the reason I don't see it with Edgar. Just seems like he's Rolen plus more singles and walks, minus SBs and all-world defense.
    Totally respected Rolen's glove, borderline.
    And yes, I think more attention should be paid toward defense.

    Now, take a look at Larry Walker's career. compare it to Rolen, who you got?
    He's won gold gloves and from 1997-2000 those were monster numbers.
    You can counter that with "yeah, but he played half those games at Coor's"
    But still

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    take the 5 best

    bonds
    clemons
    hoffman
    chipper jones
    thome

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    Edgar and vlad for me I hope

    I love me some Edgar

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnatikid513 View Post
    take the 5 best

    bonds
    clemons
    hoffman
    chipper jones
    thome
    ill take first 4 listed

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    ill take first 4 listed
    jim thome had over 600 home runs and he's a class guy he will be a 1st ballot HOFer

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    Thome does not belong in

    Close Down the hall

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    Vote totals of the 13 MLB.com writers
    With 75 percent of the vote needed for entry to the Hall, Bonds, Clemens, Guerrero, Jones, Thome, Martinez and Mussina received enough support -- appearing on a minimum of 10 of the 13 ballots -- from MLB.com writers, with Walker and Hoffman knocking at the door.

    1. (tie) Vladimir Guerrero: 13
    1. (tie) Chipper Jones: 13
    1. (tie) Jim Thome: 13
    4. (tie) Barry Bonds: 12
    4. (tie) Roger Clemens: 12
    6. (tie) Edgar Martinez: 10
    6. (tie) Mike Mussina: 10
    8. Larry Walker: 9
    9. Trevor Hoffman: 8
    10. Curt Schilling: 7
    11. (tie) Scott Rolen: 4
    11. (tie) Omar Vizquel: 4
    13. (tie) Manny Ramirez: 2
    13. (tie) Billy Wagner: 2
    15. (tie) Jeff Kent: 1
    15. (tie) Gary Sheffield: 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Totally respected Rolen's glove, borderline.
    And yes, I think more attention should be paid toward defense.

    Now, take a look at Larry Walker's career. compare it to Rolen, who you got?
    He's won gold gloves and from 1997-2000 those were monster numbers.
    You can counter that with "yeah, but he played half those games at Coor's"
    But still
    Yea the great Coors debate. That doesn't really effect my opinion very much. I do like Walker. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets in some day. Really, looking back on his stats - his last 2 years in Montreal and his first 2 with Colorado were pretty similar, then he just went one another planet. His stretch from 1997-2002 was ridiculous. I also never really realized he stole 230 bags in his career. Looking deeper into his numbers, he really probably does deserve it. He's also a guy that never really had much protection in the order, whereas Edgar and Rolen spent time hitting around 1st ballot guys in Griffey and Pujols, and "Hall of the Very Good" guys like Buhner and Edmonds. So many ways to look at players and compare. If Walker put up those numbers with a team like the Yanks and won a WS or two, he's probably in for sure.

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    andruw jones should get in eventually 10 gold gloves plus 350 hrs the best center fielder of this generation

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Thome does not belong in

    Close Down the hall
    • One of the game's most consistent and fearsome power hitters over a 22-year career, Jim Thome will coast into the Hall of Fame.

    With Thome eligible for the Hall of Fame for the first time, there's little doubt he's going to get his bronze plaque, even with a crowd atop the ballot that includes another likely first-year honoree (Chipper Jones) and two returning candidates who missed by just a handful of votes last year (Trevor Hoffman and Vlad Guerrero). Unblemished by controversy, Thome’s accomplishments certainly merit enshrinement, and there's every reason to expect he'll be in Cooperstown next summer.

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    hall of fame vote coming up soon mlb network will bonds clemens get in

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    chipper jones in
    vladimir guerrero in
    jim thome in
    trevor hoffman in

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    no bonds
    no clemens

    what a joke
    edgar martinez close

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnatikid513 View Post
    no bonds
    no clemens

    what a joke
    edgar martinez close
    bunch of fukin idiot voters

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyb25 View Post
    Hoff and Chipper auto's
    Well deserved guys!

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    Bout time Hoffman got in. This guy deserve it.

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    Can't support PED users at any point.
    Behemoth Bonds
    Cheatin, Lyin' bloody-sock Clemons

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMobile View Post
    Bout time Hoffman got in. This guy deserve it.
    Yes, I thought he was the best closer of this generation not named Mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnatikid513 View Post
    no bonds
    no clemens

    what a joke
    edgar martinez close
    Edgar just missed by a *unt hair

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    Terrible
    Class

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    Vlad never met a pitch he didn't like.
    This is the one he hit on one hop in the dirt



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    bonds and Clemens cheated.. fukk them

    they don't deserve to get in

    would have made the hall if they didn't cheat, but yet they had to to boost their ego

    fukk them I'm glad they aren't getting in

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    I don't get the baseball HOF. Edgar is the best DH of all time, yet writers dog on the position. Why even let in relievers to the hall of fame? If Edgard doesn't make it, then no DH should ever make it. He has one more year, my guess is he probably gets in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Vlad never met a pitch he didn't like.
    This is the one he hit on one hop in the dirt


    safe to say vlad would of been one hell of a cricket player, edgar should make it next year

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    1)Curt Schilling
    2)Larry Walker
    3)Sammy Sosa

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    Nice to see my favorite pitcher of all time (Moose) move up.
    Anybody who denies just how good Moose was just doesn't get it.

    He finished right behind Edgar, good to see the writers finally starting to get it too.

    270 and 153 pitching his whole career in the big boy bats division is stupid ridiculous.
    1.19 WH/IP for the career is even more stupid ridiculous.
    He won double digit games EVERY SEASON he pitched, (rookie year doesn't count, only made 12 starts)
    Pitched 17 full seasons and won 10 or more games every year, think about that, pitching his whole career in the AL East.

    One advanced scout once said "When Mussina's overhand curve ball is on it's the most devastating pitcn in the game"

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