[Regul8er]

Ya......good line doesn't always equate into a good bet.......remember only winning bets are good ones!

Lot of season to go!

[downsouth]

Ya......good line doesn't always equate into a good bet.......remember only winning bets are good ones!

Lot of season to go!

No lots of "good lines" lose and very easy to say that only winning bets are good ones. As soon as I figure out how to weed out the bad ones/losers nobody will ever see me again as I will quickly go from joe schmoe to multi millionaire and retire within a few years.

Good luck

[Regul8er]

Downsouth.....remember some of us old timers when you are sitting on a mountain of gold.

[alamo]

Man way too much emphasis on lines. No offense. I like you coin.

This is so true. No coin thinks the game is played in the Las Vegas betting shops. He needs to understand that the only score that matters is the final score. How many times do u see him post beat the closing line and lost , x were 2-0 up after 3 inns and lost , x left x men on base and lost , x were bases loaded bottom of 7th and lost, x were....
Oh you get the idea

[riffraff24]

People keep arguing over value, lines, sharp, square...None of that sht matters to me. Only wins matter to me.

[drfunkmaster]

sanchez plays for oakland

[downsouth]

People keep arguing over value, lines, sharp, square...None of that sht matters to me. Only wins matter to me.

That statement means nothing other than odds of you being even the slightest bit of a profitable gambler over any meaningful sample size are somewhere between slim and none.

[No coincidences]

No lots of "good lines" lose and very easy to say that only winning bets are good ones. As soon as I figure out how to weed out the bad ones/losers nobody will ever see me again as I will quickly go from joe schmoe to multi millionaire and retire within a few years.

Good luck

Exactly.

I sure don't remember even coming close to beating this many closing lines and getting my head kicked in with MLB before. I have absolutely killed this sport doing exactly that for 3 years running up until this season.

[No coincidences]

This is so true. No coin thinks the game is played in the Las Vegas betting shops. He needs to understand that the only score that matters is the final score. How many times do u see him post beat the closing line and lost , x were 2-0 up after 3 inns and lost , x left x men on base and lost , x were bases loaded bottom of 7th and lost, x were....
Oh you get the idea

Your ignorance is making me grind my teeth, but believe what you must.

[No coincidences]

This chart is amazing to me, especially given how often StL is a favorite. They are sitting at +2502 with 50 games still to go in the season. Unbelievable. Cardinals are also 40-68 on overs. How oddsmakers can be this wrong for so long about one team, I have no idea.

I would really love to see the ROI on beating the closer by 20+ cents this year in MLB. Any ideas on how to find that info out, DS?

1	ST. LOUIS	73-40	0.646	2502	42-16	1930	31-24	572	58-55	1123	40-68
2	KANSAS CITY	68-45	0.602	2089	39-19	1578	29-26	511	63-50	1952	48-54
3	TEXAS	56-57	0.496	1496	23-29	-460	33-28	1956	67-46	895	52-55
4	PITTSBURGH	65-46	0.586	1084	39-18	1453	26-28	-369	48-63	-1139	49-51
5	NY METS	63-52	0.548	1075	42-18	2175	21-34	-1100	59-55	769	54-55
6	MINNESOTA	57-57	0.500	1008	36-23	1599	21-34	-591	65-49	318	54-52

[No coincidences]

I think Pittsburgh and PIT TT over 3.5 (+110) are great plays tonight, so go ahead and hammer the Cards again.

[leetreaper]

NoCoin and his lines

[Big Bear]

I think Pittsburgh and PIT TT over 3.5 (+110) are great plays tonight, so go ahead and hammer the Cards again.

[No coincidences]

NoCoin and his lines

Why weren't you talking shit about it to me before this year?

[riffraff24]

That statement means nothing other than odds of you being even the slightest bit of a profitable gambler over any meaningful sample size are somewhere between slim and none.

lol...trust me. im profitable

[44 Mag]

Are you guys all friends ????

[riffraff24]

Are you guys all friends ????

Lol it's laughable Mags. I simply state I don't care about line moves and whatnot and some 50 year old Internet fat dude in his mom's basement tells me I don't win.

Lol

[InsaneStre4k]

This chart is amazing to me, especially given how often StL is a favorite. They are sitting at +2502 with 50 games still to go in the season. Unbelievable. Cardinals are also 40-68 on overs. How oddsmakers can be this wrong for so long about one team, I have no idea.

I would really love to see the ROI on beating the closer by 20+ cents this year in MLB. Any ideas on how to find that info out, DS?

1	ST. LOUIS	73-40	0.646	2502	42-16	1930	31-24	572	58-55	1123	40-68
2	KANSAS CITY	68-45	0.602	2089	39-19	1578	29-26	511	63-50	1952	48-54
3	TEXAS	56-57	0.496	1496	23-29	-460	33-28	1956	67-46	895	52-55
4	PITTSBURGH	65-46	0.586	1084	39-18	1453	26-28	-369	48-63	-1139	49-51
5	NY METS	63-52	0.548	1075	42-18	2175	21-34	-1100	59-55	769	54-55
6	MINNESOTA	57-57	0.500	1008	36-23	1599	21-34	-591	65-49	318	54-52

the more i think into it the more it seems that there are less and less parity in O/U,ATS records for all majors sports, books are adjusting slownly now than few years ago,need to understand why i mean obv perhaps they don't over adjust/react cause sharps would hit inflated lines or they want to counter contrarian bettors like me. I mean 10 years ago you had mainly final records in NHL/MLB/NBA of 45/55 range for ATS and U/O, now there can be 70% records U/O for one team, just look at the unreal over streak of the tigers in MLB this season.
now the sharp move is riding streaks like joe public

[InsaneStre4k]

in NBA picking carefully some spots by taking the opposite on 4/5 U/O or ATS streak was ok for me, it didn't work very well in MLB. i usually prefer going against the pattern of W/L/W/L/W/L....

[downsouth]

lol...trust me. im profitable

Of course you are, and so is everyone else with few exceptions, cannot imagine how these books stay in business when all you have to do is know the teams to win. I invite you to provide a meaningful sample size of proof to dispute my claim otherwise its hard for anyone with a clue to believe.

[downsouth]

Lol it's laughable Mags. I simply state I don't care about line moves and whatnot and some 50 year old Internet fat dude in his mom's basement tells me I don't win.

Lol

In my 30s, but you are right (not in the best shape). Haven't lived my with parents since I left home for college (freshman year summer aside). Own my own home, my own company, and my own rental portfolio but by all means carry on. It sounds so much better when you stick to insulting me personally rather than realizing how truly stupid and uneducated your previous statement was.

And please tell me whats laughable about it? Ask anyone who has had any actual success at this long term and they will tell you CLV is probably the single most important factor in determining or predicting success current or future. This include your "sharps", modelers, originators, or whoever else.

Viewing games and "knowing" the teams isnt going to provide shit that is not already factored into line at release.

[jihadvillager]

I think Pittsburgh and PIT TT over 3.5 (+110) are great plays tonight, so go ahead and hammer the Cards again.

Sharp- thanks for posting nc

[riffraff24]

In my 30s, but you are right (not in the best shape). Haven't lived my with parents since I left home for college (freshman year summer aside). Own my own home, my own company, and my own rental portfolio but by all means carry on. It sounds so much better when you stick to insulting me personally rather than realizing how truly stupid and uneducated your previous statement was.

And please tell me whats laughable about it? Ask anyone who has had any actual success at this long term and they will tell you CLV is probably the single most important factor in determining or predicting success current or future. This include your "sharps", modelers, originators, or whoever else.

Viewing games and "knowing" the teams isnt going to provide shit that is not already factored into line at release.

Listen buddy....I didnt wanna spend too much time on you but since you wrote a novel for me I might as well respond. If you think staring at lines all day and spending hours on a internet forum makes you a better winner than me then that's cool. Even if I did lose more than I win, which I dont, I can afford to. I make about 3k in wagers a day and can afford to lose it....But I dont. So good luck with whatever you have to prove brah. I made a simple statement and it offended you. Ill buy you a beer sometime to make up for it.

[No coincidences]

Sharp- thanks for posting nc

No problem buddy.

[downsouth]

Listen buddy....I didnt wanna spend too much time on you but since you wrote a novel for me I might as well respond. If you think staring at lines all day and spending hours on a internet forum makes you a better winner than me then that's cool. Even if I did lose more than I win, which I dont, I can afford to. I make about 3k in wagers a day and can afford to lose it....But I dont. So good luck with whatever you have to prove brah. I made a simple statement and it offended you. Ill buy you a beer sometime to make up for it.

Again, never mentioned anything about staring at a forum all day or stare at lines all day. As a matter of fact, my wager routine is completely opposite. Now I will go back over my wagers to see if I am beating the closing line and if not if there are reasons I can discern as to why. However, much like the story you concocted about me in my 50s living at home, etc me staring at forums or lines all day is something made up by you.

You stated you don't follow lines and they don't matter, I simply stated with that attitude/belief you don't win betting. You then proceeded to go internet dipshit 101 on me and start about the old, loser, fat, live at home routine that is normal for these type of things. Which you then followed up with how much money you have and how much you wager. Now next you should lead into how hot the women are you bang and how much of ass kicker you are and the circle will be complete. So who is it that actually got offended by a simple statement in this exchange?

So I will end again going back to my initial point which was gambling related. Not beating the closer long term generally means you are not winning. Feel free to make a thread and track a decent sample size and show me how wrong I truly am. If your playing 3k daily gotta assume there is some semblance of decent volume and you wouldnt have too hard of a time making a decent amount of plays.

[Ralphie1412]

Some of you need to relax