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    Kershaw is the greatest EVER.

    The dude is already a first ballot hall of famer and is ALMOST unhittable anymore.

    I haven't seen a pitcher be this dominate consistently in forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyIsWater View Post
    The dude is already a first ballot hall of famer and is ALMOST unhittable anymore.

    I haven't seen a pitcher be this dominate consistently in forever.
    from your posting style i assume you are under the age of 21...

    Go read up on a guy by the name of Nolan Ryan. Clayton Kershaw couldnt hold Nolan Ryans sweaty jock strap.

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    No I'm not under 21.

    The two are arguably comparable.

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    Pedro Martinez was most dominant I've ever seen. Young pitchers are one injury away from being nothing. Remember Mark Prior?

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    Kershaw best lefty since Randy Johnson. He mite end up being better, but hes as good now as Randy Johnson ever was. Congrats on the score!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Pedro Martinez was most dominant I've ever seen. Young pitchers are one injury away from being nothing. Remember Mark Prior?
    i saw pedro vs clemons at my first baseball game ,pedro threw a 1 hit shutout and won 1-0

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    I could name 10 that are just as good or better at one time or another.

    Cy Young
    Steve Carlton
    Nolan Ryan
    Bob Gibson
    Roger Clemens
    Greg Maddux
    Walter Johnson
    Sandy Koufax
    Tom Seaver
    Dennis Eckersley
    Randy Johnson

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    how about Orel Hershiser?

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    game 7 of the world series (of the last 60 years of baseball)
    What pitcher do you put in as the starter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    game 7 of the world series (of the last 60 years of baseball)
    What pitcher do you put in as the starter?
    Jack Morris, no questions asked
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyIsWater View Post
    The dude is already a first ballot hall of famer and is ALMOST unhittable anymore.

    I haven't seen a pitcher be this dominate consistently in forever.
    Standown there hotshot...his career record is 88-48...don't pound his name into Mount Rushmore just yet

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    Kershaw may not be the "greatest" this year.

    Chris Sale is having just as good a year...and he pitches in the AL.. on a shitty team.

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    Kershaw is awesome. I just can't forget the Cards smoking him in the playoffs last year.

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    How quickly guys forget how dominant Maddux was.

    In 1993... Maddux's ERA was 1.56. He threw 10 complete games. Fuking 10.

    From 1992 to 1998, Greg Maddux's HIGHEST ERA was 2.62. He had 3 years with an ERA under 2.

    Get the fuk out of here with Kershaw being the greatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    game 7 of the world series (of the last 60 years of baseball)
    What pitcher do you put in as the starter?
    Koufax

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    And maddux had a 10 year stretch where his lowest era was 3.3 and 7/10 over 4! 9/10 over 3.96! Not dominant.

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    John Tudor in 1987. Fernando Valenzula

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    You guys forget, you can not compare different decades, just impossible. As great as Koufax was, he was only great 4 years (mostly because Walter Alston would only use him once a month in his early years). Somebody bragged about Maddux having 10 complete games one year, Koufax had 11 complete game shutouts one year and 27 complete games his last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    And maddux had a 10 year stretch where his lowest era was 3.3 and 7/10 over 4! 9/10 over 3.96! Not dominant.
    What the fuk are you talking about? None of what you wrote was true.

    Not a single thing. Look at the years CLOSELY.... some of those are the same year..... because he pitched for more than one team in a few years.



    These are Maddux' ERA by age;

    26 2.18
    27 2.36
    28 1.56
    29 1.63
    30 2.72
    31 2.20
    32 2.22
    33 3.57
    34 3.00
    35 3.05
    36 2.62
    37 3.56
    38 4.02
    39 4.20
    40 4.44
    42 4.22

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...addugr01.shtml
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    Kershaw is only to be getting better too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramfan47 View Post
    You guys forget, you can not compare different decades, just impossible. As great as Koufax was, he was only great 4 years (mostly because Walter Alston would only use him once a month in his early years). Somebody bragged about Maddux having 10 complete games one year, Koufax had 11 complete game shutouts one year and 27 complete games his last year.
    I read a stat once... Koufax won 129 games over a 6 year period, including 97 wins over 4 years, and he had 89 complete games in 4 years.

    Those are insane numbers.

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    Sam,

    Very insane of course. I believe Kershaw is capable of doing the same, however it'll never happen due to advance in medicine, watching pitch count more, and more days of rest.

    Its all part of evolution of the game.

    We can't take any of the greatness these players offer, only we can embrace it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyIsWater View Post
    The dude is already a first ballot hall of famer and is ALMOST unhittable anymore.

    I haven't seen a pitcher be this dominate consistently in forever.
    NO arguing that point, he is fantastic .

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    Post his stat line from his last playoff game vs. The Cards.

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    Plenty of guys I take over him in game 7 of the ws

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamDiamond View Post
    What the fuk are you talking about? None of what you wrote was true.

    Not a single thing. Look at the years CLOSELY.... some of those are the same year..... because he pitched for more than one team in a few years.



    These are Maddux' ERA by age;

    26 2.18
    27 2.36
    28 1.56
    29 1.63
    30 2.72
    31 2.20
    32 2.22
    33 3.57
    34 3.00
    35 3.05
    36 2.62
    37 3.56
    38 4.02
    39 4.20
    40 4.44
    42 4.22

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...addugr01.shtml
    You're right. I looked at entries, not years. Still, look at that crappy 5 year stretch (you forgot a 4.14 @ age 41)! More than 1/4 of his career was over 4 ERA! LOL DOMINANCE! And all in the NL with a free out. Yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamDiamond View Post
    Kershaw may not be the "greatest" this year.

    Chris Sale is having just as good a year...and he pitches in the AL.. on a shitty team.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by broadway6 View Post
    Kershaw is awesome. I just can't forget the Cards smoking him in the playoffs last year.
    Agree 100%.

    Kershaw is a great pitcher no doubt but greatest of all time???? He has work to do.

    Cardinals owned him in the playoffs.

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    maddux had a superb pen. a great defense and an overall great team. if he was in clevelenad he would have been just another good pitcher

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    Dbacks regularly smash Kershaw around. Pitches in the NL so his stats are going to be weighted. Great pitcher, but you're high off your big win (understandably). 3 free K's every outing and in a pitcher's park. Will take Sale over him right now. He's having an amazing season, but has to win a title.

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    12-2 112 innings pitched 144 strike outs and 22 earned runs 4 complete games ....pretty clear who the best pitcher in baseball is.

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    I'd still take pedro in his prime, killer instinct and pitched to all the cheaters yet still won a title.
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    Chris sale close 2nd stats are very close

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    Clayton is turning a corner I remember when they brought him up unhittable stuff but couldn't locate and had control issues couldn't work late into games he's come along way....scary to think he's getting better

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    It sucks you have to discount a pitchers status just because they pitch in the NL. The hitters are lower quality and you get to pitch to the pitcher instead of one of the premiere DH's that play in the AL..Another reason why I would take Pedro Martinez, he did it all in the toughest league

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