[BennyBigNuts]

Biggio is deserving, but he wasn't robbed harder than Piazza.
Whether he is the biggest closet-homo of all-time is irrelevant here.

THE GUY WAS A FUKKIN CATCHER!!!!! Whole career in the National League. Never got to DH and take days off.
Played 8 years in a HR unfriendly Shea Stadium.

Look at his numbers. He faded with injuries towards the end of his career but again, the guy was a CATCHER!!!

NEVER on a steroid report, never in any trouble, nicest guy, great teammate, and his career was unreal for his position.

Thumbs down to the voters on that one.

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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
1992	23	LAD	NL	21	74	69	5	16	3	0	1	7	0	0	4	12	.232	.284	.319	.603	72	22	1	1	0	0	0	2
1993	24	LAD	NL	149	602	547	81	174	24	2	35	112	3	4	46	86	.318	.370	.561	.932	153	307	10	3	0	6	6	*2/3	AS,MVP-9,RoY-1,SS
1994	25	LAD	NL	107	441	405	64	129	18	0	24	92	1	3	33	65	.319	.370	.541	.910	140	219	11	1	0	2	10	*2	AS,MVP-6,SS
1995	26	LAD	NL	112	475	434	82	150	17	0	32	93	1	0	39	80	.346	.400	.606	1.006	172	263	10	1	0	1	10	*2	AS,MVP-4,SS
1996	27	LAD	NL	148	631	547	87	184	16	0	36	105	0	3	81	93	.336	.422	.563	.985	166	308	21	1	0	2	21	*2	AS,MVP-2,SS
1997	28	LAD	NL	152	633	556	104	201	32	1	40	124	5	1	69	77	.362	.431	.638	1.070	185	355	19	3	0	5	11	*2/D	AS,MVP-2,SS
1998	29	TOT	NL	151	626	561	88	184	38	1	32	111	1	0	58	80	.328	.390	.570	.960	152	320	15	2	0	5	14	*2/D	AS,MVP-14,SS
1998	29	LAD	NL	37	161	149	20	42	5	0	9	30	0	0	11	27	.282	.329	.497	.826	119	74	3	0	0	1	4	2
1998	29	FLA	NL	5	19	18	1	5	0	1	0	5	0	0	0	0	.278	.263	.389	.652	74	7	0	0	0	1	0	/2
1998	29	NYM	NL	109	446	394	67	137	33	0	23	76	1	0	47	53	.348	.417	.607	1.024	167	239	12	2	0	3	10	2/D
1999	30	NYM	NL	141	593	534	100	162	25	0	40	124	2	2	51	70	.303	.361	.575	.936	135	307	27	1	0	7	11	*2/D	AS,MVP-7,SS
2000	31	NYM	NL	136	545	482	90	156	26	0	38	113	4	2	58	69	.324	.398	.614	1.012	155	296	15	3	0	2	10	*2/D	AS,MVP-3,SS
2001	32	NYM	NL	141	573	503	81	151	29	0	36	94	0	2	67	87	.300	.384	.573	.957	148	288	20	2	0	1	19	*2/D	AS,MVP-13,SS
2002	33	NYM	NL	135	541	478	69	134	23	2	33	98	0	3	57	82	.280	.359	.544	.903	138	260	26	3	0	3	9	*2/D	AS,SS
2003	34	NYM	NL	68	273	234	37	67	13	0	11	34	0	0	35	40	.286	.377	.483	.860	126	113	11	1	0	3	3	2/3
2004	35	NYM	NL	129	528	455	47	121	21	0	20	54	0	0	68	78	.266	.362	.444	.806	109	202	14	2	0	3	14	32/D	AS
2005	36	NYM	NL	113	442	398	41	100	23	0	19	62	0	0	41	67	.251	.326	.452	.778	104	180	7	3	0	0	6	2/D	AS
2006	37	SDP	NL	126	439	399	39	113	19	1	22	68	0	0	34	66	.283	.342	.501	.843	122	200	13	3	0	3	2	2/D
2007	38	OAK	AL	83	329	309	33	85	17	1	8	44	0	0	18	61	.275	.313	.414	.727	95	128	9	0	0	2	0	D
16 Yrs				1912	7745	6911	1048	2127	344	8	427	1335	17	20	759	1113	.308	.377	.545	.922	143	3768	229	30	0	45	146
162 Game Avg.				162	656	586	89	180	29	1	36	113	1	2	64	94	.308	.377	.545	.922	143	319	19	3	0	4	12
				G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
NYM (8 yrs)				972	3941	3478	532	1028	193	2	220	655	7	9	424	546	.296	.373	.542	.915	136	1885	132	17	0	22	82
LAD (7 yrs)				726	3017	2707	443	896	115	3	177	563	10	11	283	440	.331	.394	.572	.966	160	1548	75	10	0	17	62
OAK (1 yr)				83	329	309	33	85	17	1	8	44	0	0	18	61	.275	.313	.414	.727	95	128	9	0	0	2	0
SDP (1 yr)				126	439	399	39	113	19	1	22	68	0	0	34	66	.283	.342	.501	.843	122	200	13	3	0	3	2
FLA (1 yr)				5	19	18	1	5	0	1	0	5	0	0	0	0	.278	.263	.389	.652	74	7	0	0	0	1	0
NL (15 yrs)				1829	7416	6602	1015	2042	327	7	419	1291	17	20	741	1052	.309	.379	.551	.931	145	3640	220	30	0	43	146
AL (1 yr)				83	329	309	33	85	17	1	8	44	0	0	18	61	.275	.313	.414	.727	95	128	9	0	0	2	0

[jjgold]

We have to abolish the Hall of Fame voting and start over

I was listening on the radio today and I did not realize people voting on the Hall of Fame now a lot of them are not even sports writers anymore there are in other professions

Now that's a disgrace they know nothing about the game

[BennyBigNuts]

We have to abolish the Hall of Fame voting and start over

I was listening on the radio today and I did not realize people voting on the Hall of Fame now a lot of them are not even sports writers anymore there are in other professions

Now that's a disgrace they know nothing about the game

Dan Lebatard forfeited his vote this year.
I was just reading about it.
Says the voting is a joke and his 1 vote won't mean a thing for the next 20 years but doing this will at least open someone's eyes hopefully on the system.

[Big Bear]

Hall Of Fame used to mean something but it has become a joke.

[d2bets]

Best hitting catcher of all time. I don't understand how he doesn't make it. Biggio, OTOH, does not belong. Nice long career, but not a HOF'er.

[Bluehorseshoe]

But for some reason people are convinced he did steroids. I don't get it.

[Dr. Gambler]

Dan lebatard shouldn't even have a vote. Why guys like him have a vote and Bob cost as doesn't it just stupid. Gotta come up with a new system

[BennyBigNuts]

Best hitting catcher of all time. I don't understand how he doesn't make it. Biggio, OTOH, does not belong. Nice long career, but not a HOF'er.

I actually agree with you, but I didn't want the focus to be on him and not Piazza.
Biggio massively overrated but definitely fits under the category of "Mr. Consistency".
Good career.

[OldschoolGambler]

Some of these guys will make it for sure later, but Maddox not unanimous? That is telling abt the people who have votes.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Biggio and Piazza both deserve it.....

I can't stand the fact that people won't make guys unanimous as well....like who are the idiots that didn't vote Greg Maddux in? Strip them of their votes

[BennyBigNuts]

Biggio and Piazza both deserve it.....

I can't stand the fact that people won't make guys unanimous as well....like who are the idiots that didn't vote Greg Maddux in? Strip them of their votes

There are probably 4 or 5 rotting 80 year old cokks on that panel still that need to hurry up n die.
Al Davis Syndrome.

[str]

The Washington Post does not allow anyone that works for them to vote.

Not sure how many voters but Tom Boswell said that yesterday and he is one.

He would have voted for Biggio and others.

The steroids deal has all these voters splintered with differing opinions.

Whole process is a complete mess.

Piazza , Bagwell, etc. are being blamed because they look like they could have used.

What a joke !

Funny how nobody ever said Ripken used in regards to breaking the consecutive games played streak yet his best friend on the team was Brady Anderson who went from 10-12 homers a year to 50 .

The whole thing is a mess and needs to be blown up.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

as usual. Another good thread.

I also think both players should of made it.

Although Piazza got ripped off a slight bit more between the 2

[Bluehorseshoe]

The guy on WFAN was saying yesterday that the way the NFL decides who gets in their Hall of Fame is much better. They pretty much put everybody in a room who has a say and let them weed it out who gets in. It's like a Caucasus.

[BennyBigNuts]

The guy on WFAN was saying yesterday that the way the NFL decides who gets in their Hall of Fame is much better. They pretty much put everybody in a room who has a say and let them weed it out who gets in. It's like a Caucasus.

That would probably be entertaining to watch on a feed.
Room full of stat nerds hammering players lol.
Would probably be the best for MLB to hear how many of them talk about roids.

[str]

That would probably be entertaining to watch on a feed.
Room full of stat nerds hammering players lol.
Would probably be the best for MLB to hear how many of them talk about roids.

Nothing worse than running a clean outfit and watching others cheat and out perform there true ability.

Plenty of now ex ball players were upset back then .

[sweep]

27	X-J.T. Snow	1st	2	0.4%	16	16	16	11.0	12.8	11.9	54.0	1716	5641	798	1509	189	877	20	760	.268	.357	.427	.784	105														*3/D
28	X-Armando Benitez	1st	1	0.2%	73	14	15	17.7	16.6	17.2	34.4	762	8	0	0	0	2	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000	-100	40	47	3.13	140	1.217	762	0	289	779.0	545	95	403	946	*1
29	X-Kenny Rogers	1st	1	0.2%	66	29	20	51.4	35.6	43.5	61.4	763	66	5	9	0	4	1	4	.136	.186	.182	.368	-4	219	156	4.27	107	1.403	762	474	28	3302.2	3457	339	1175	1968	*1
30	X-Jacque Jones	1st	1	0.

the enlarged number indicates number of votes received this year........joke

[jjgold]

No reporters should have votes, thyme have so many grudges against certain players and also have their friends. Its very bias in lots of cases. Have a mix of ex long time players , maybe a few writers, some tv guys , some management, ect

[Mr KLC]

Writers make news nowadays to get you to buy papers. They know they can have a hand in making or breaking careers. we put these guys in charge of the HOF entries? I think the number of writers voting should be limited, with HOF's, broadcasters, and former managers getting a chance to weigh in. The fact that a man like Vin Sculley does not have a voice in this is a disgrace.

[easyliving]

the voting system is a joke indeed.

[sweep]

27	X-J.T. Snow	1st	2	0.4%	16	16	16	11.0	12.8	11.9	54.0	1716	5641	798	1509	189	877	20	760	.268	.357	.427	.784	105														*3/D
28	X-Armando Benitez	1st	1	0.2%	73	14	15	17.7	16.6	17.2	34.4	762	8	0	0	0	2	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000	-100	40	47	3.13	140	1.217	762	0	289	779.0	545	95	403	946	*1
29	X-Kenny Rogers	1st	1	0.2%	66	29	20	51.4	35.6	43.5	61.4	763	66	5	9	0	4	1	4	.136	.186	.182	.368	-4	219	156	4.27	107	1.403	762	474	28	3302.2	3457	339	1175	1968	*1
30	X-Jacque Jones	1st	1	0.

the enlarged number indicates number of votes received this year........joke

jt snow
jackie jones

ARMANDO BENITEZ!!!!


whoever voted for those guys should have their fukking wigs split

[Nick Papageorgio]

Biggio was a catcher for most of his career too. C'mon Benny.

[VegasInsider]

Biggio was a catcher for most of his career too. C'mon Benny.

Not for MOST of his career. He started there, then went to CF and then moved to 2B where he played most of the time. 14 of 20 seasons were primarily played at 2B and he bounced around between C/CF/LF/RF

[Nick Papageorgio]

I stand corrected. Always will remember seeing him live when he was catching.

[VegasInsider]

Biggio was a catcher for most of his career too. C'mon Benny.

Games played by position

Catcher: 428
2nd Base: 1,989
Outfield: 366

[sweep]

nicky pops buried

[Nick Papageorgio]

Insider I know he was a 2b thought he spent much more time at catcher. Must have just been the games I attended.

[BennyBigNuts]

Biggio was a catcher for most of his career too. C'mon Benny.

He was a catcher for like 3 years probly.

[BennyBigNuts]

Games played by position

Catcher: 428
2nd Base: 1,989
Outfield: 366

Sorry, I should read the whole thread before I respond lol. Yeah biggio barely played catcher. He was too fast and stole bases and they wanted him at a more durable position for his type of offense. Obviously was a smart move, had a great and lengthy career because of it.

[NYSportsGuy210]

But for some reason people are convinced he did steroids. I don't get it.

When did Piazza's name ever come up in a steroid report? Guy was built like a tree trunk even as a rookie.

[Turkk]

thhis was very sad news. piazza was the greatest C of alltime.