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  1. 07-08-13 02:09 PM #1
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    Poll: Does Locke have amazing stuff?

    Locke the pitcher for the pirates. Is his stuff amazing? Big Bear claims yes.
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  2. 07-08-13 02:38 PM #2
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    He's been MONEY for me all year. Does he have "amazing stuff" ? wtf does amazing stuff mean - hes 8-1, end of the day, thats pretty amazing. - That being said, I don't know enough of the technical details in pitching as you may to judge that, but I mean...hes been winning
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  3. 07-08-13 02:47 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by aIntuition View Post
    He's been MONEY for me all year. Does he have "amazing stuff" ? wtf does amazing stuff mean - hes 8-1, end of the day, thats pretty amazing. - That being said, I don't know enough of the technical details in pitching as you may to judge that, but I mean...hes been winning
    I dont mean winning. Any pitcher can win with run support and a bit of luck. I mean his stats and numbers are they amazing?
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  4. 07-08-13 02:48 PM #4
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    smoker word on the street is that youd love his junk
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  5. 07-08-13 03:24 PM #5
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    No Locke doesn't have amazing "stuff". However, he pitches to the situation locates pitches very well within the strike zone. Does he walk batters, yes. But again that's due to him never giving him which is why he gets away with not having the best stuff.
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  6. 07-08-13 03:37 PM #6
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    "stuff" is not nearly as important as command, not even close

    not walking guys, not dealing down the middle, keeping things on the paint, hitting corners, keeping ball down, much more important than movement or even velocity although usually reduction in velocity is a big negative indicator
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  7. 07-08-13 03:38 PM #7
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    When some fukkin book puts out a line on whether or not said fukkin guy has amazing stuff, I will give it some thought.

    For now.

    Fukk cares.
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  8. 07-08-13 04:54 PM #8
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    Big bear is right , like usual

    Lockes stuff is amazing
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  9. 07-09-13 07:08 AM #9
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    no he does not have amazing stuff

    i'd say less than 15-20 starters in MLB have "amazing" stuff, and some of them suck at the moment.

    he has command, he's been lucky, he is lefty, he has poise and a great catcher in Russel Martin, he has a really really good defense behind him,and he has average to above average stuff.

    I see him as a 3.75 to 4.25 ERA kinda guy going forward
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  10. 07-09-13 07:22 AM #10
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    I dont mean winning. Any pitcher can win with run support and a bit of luck. I mean his stats and numbers are they amazing?
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  11. 07-09-13 07:38 AM #11
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    another stellar performance by Locke and you broke dikk fukks keep hating on the guy.
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  12. 07-09-13 07:59 AM #12
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    in the current Pirates rotation of

    Burnett
    Liriano
    Locke
    Morton
    Cole

    Locke has the 5th best "stuff"

    that being said, thus far his stats are very very good. But yeah I don't see him being lefty greg maddux lite, as he was touted to be while in the Braves organization.

    Pirates control him for 4 more years I believe. He should give them 3.75 to 4.25 ERA with 1.3ish Whip for a good chunk of time for them, and that is more than enough considering the studs coming up in their system
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  13. 07-09-13 09:00 AM #13
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    Archie gets it
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  14. 07-09-13 09:34 AM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke View Post
    Archie gets it
    Archie is a negative nancy
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  15. 07-09-13 09:37 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    no he does not have amazing stuff

    i'd say less than 15-20 starters in MLB have "amazing" stuff, and some of them suck at the moment.

    he has command, he's been lucky, he is lefty, he has poise and a great catcher in Russel Martin, he has a really really good defense behind him,and he has average to above average stuff.

    I see him as a 3.75 to 4.25 ERA kinda guy going forward
    Arch one of the only posters left at SBR that's worth a damn.

    Instead I have to read Ice and Smoke's back and forth "analysis."

    Unreal.
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  16. 07-09-13 09:45 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Arch one of the only posters left at SBR that's worth a damn.

    Instead I have to read Ice and Smoke's back and forth "analysis."

    Unreal.
    coiner you need to get laid pal ...
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  17. 07-09-13 09:53 AM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by aIntuition View Post
    He's been MONEY for me all year. Does he have "amazing stuff" ? wtf does amazing stuff mean - hes 8-1, end of the day, thats pretty amazing. - That being said, I don't know enough of the technical details in pitching as you may to judge that, but I mean...hes been winning
    Phil Hughes went like 18-6 with a 4.4 ERA a couple years ago.
    Does that mean he automatically has amazing stuff?

    Records for one or even half a season mean shit in MLB.

    Not sold on Locke after half a season. Not like he has dominating stuff out there.

    Plus he's on a team who has just been on fire and will collapse in the 2nd half for sure.

    GREAT team to fade after the break, like always.
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  18. 07-09-13 09:58 AM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by aIntuition View Post
    He's been MONEY for me all year. Does he have "amazing stuff" ? wtf does amazing stuff mean - hes 8-1, end of the day, thats pretty amazing. - That being said, I don't know enough of the technical details in pitching as you may to judge that, but I mean...hes been winning
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyBigNuts View Post

    Phil Hughes went like 18-6 with a 4.4 ERA a couple years ago.
    Does that mean he automatically has amazing stuff?

    Records for one or even half a season mean shit in MLB.

    Not sold on Locke after half a season. Not like he has dominating stuff out there.

    Plus he's on a team who has just been on fire and will collapse in the 2nd half for sure.

    GREAT team to fade after the break, like always.

    An even better example would be King Felix with a record of 12-11 a few years ago.
    He won the Cy Young that year.
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  19. 07-09-13 10:06 AM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Arch one of the only posters left at SBR that's worth a damn.

    Instead I have to read Ice and Smoke's back and forth "analysis."

    Unreal.
    nobody told you to open this thread gueyey. you did so on your own.
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  20. 07-09-13 10:12 AM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke View Post
    nobody told you to open this thread gueyey. you did so on your own.
    No Coincidences is one of the best posters here... don't come at him like that
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  21. 07-09-13 10:17 AM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    No Coincidences is one of the best posters here... don't come at him like that
    Bearer I shall talk to whoever in whatever way I feel.

    You dont like it you know what you can do
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  22. 07-10-13 11:40 AM #22
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    For Big Beer. Cheers!
    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story...hers-stuff-mlb
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  23. 07-10-13 11:47 AM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by whtsox13 View Post
    For Big Beer. Cheers!
    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story...hers-stuff-mlb
    i'm not an insider , cant read it but thanks
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  24. 07-10-13 12:23 PM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    smoker word on the street is that youd love his junk
    It's the shoes
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  25. 07-10-13 12:51 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony_come View Post
    It's the shoes
    I dont mean winning. Any pitcher can win with run support and a bit of luck. I mean his stats and numbers are they amazing?
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  26. 07-10-13 01:08 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    I dont mean winning. Any pitcher can win with run support and a bit of luck. I mean his stats and numbers are they amazing?
    No .
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  27. 07-10-13 05:38 PM #27
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    The ERA is very very very good

    its amazing how low his ERA is considering his stuff is not that great
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  28. 07-10-13 08:36 PM #28
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    UCLA Bruins punter Jeff Locke was highly decorated with awards and recognition through his collegiate career. Led the Pac-12 with 34 punts inside the 20-yard line and 21 punts inside the 10-yard line. Led nation with 68 touchbacks. Invited to Senior Bowl. Four-year starter. Excellent accuracy. Continued improvement each season. Averaged 44.23 yards per punt over career. Compact two-step release. Good distance and hang time on punts and kickoffs. Should challenge to be starting punter as a rookie.

    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_id=3790
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  29. 07-10-13 09:42 PM #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    in the current Pirates rotation of

    Burnett
    Liriano
    Locke
    Morton
    Cole
    This is a great example of how "stuff" plays out in the MLB. Charlie Morton is the 5 man in that rotation, and he's just waiting around for someone to take his spot. He has the best "stuff" out of any of those other guys.
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  30. 07-20-14 09:01 AM #30
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    Locke is -187 today against the Rockies...

    Tulo and Cargo must be out or maybe this Maztek guy blows..

    Never seen Locke favored by so much before!
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  31. 07-20-14 09:41 AM #31
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    Locke's peripherals are sound, though I would have guessed otherwise. 2.96 FIP (vs 2.89 ERA), .266 BABIP 67.6% LOB.

    Also notable for today's contest are Locke's day / night splits.

    Career
    Day 3.87 1.15 .212
    Night 3.79 1.42 .267

    ERA above is equal but big difference in WHIP and BAA.

    And then in 3 day GS this year: 1.71 0.57 .134 -- wow. No matter, -180 is more juice that I'm willing to lay.
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  32. 08-27-14 12:20 PM #32
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    anybody still doubting Locke??????

    check in coiner
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  33. 08-27-14 12:30 PM #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    anybody still doubting Locke??????

    check in coiner
    Nothing has changed, moron. Watch him pitch.

    You literally get dumber by the day.
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  34. 08-27-14 12:35 PM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Nothing has changed, moron. Watch him pitch.

    You literally get dumber by the day.

    its obvious bear has a crush on you
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    a·maz·ing
    əˈmāziNG/
    adjective
    adjective: amazing
    causing great surprise or wonder; astonishing.
    "an amazing number of people registered"
    synonyms: astonishing, astounding, surprising, stunning, staggering, shocking, startling, stupefying, breathtaking; More
    See not John Locke's stuff
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