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    Quote Originally Posted by rjohnny View Post
    Even us "square" bettors know linesmaker is in the Jazette family just as sportsbook. THEY HAVE THE SAME PROP LINES!! You'd think a self proclaimed "sharp" would know that. Not only am I getting the same lines as you I'm getting better lines because I compare those with 3 other books daily. So using the book as an excuse is ridiculous. Your system didn't work and when you argue it you just look stupid. You can't win money when something happens 52% of the time and your average line on your winning wagers is around -110. Simple as that.
    rooster can you respond to this???

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    Prolly not.

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    looks like only 1 person went ahead and lost 4k on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocknocker View Post

    Now can you or cheme say truthfully that you played it with the filters I outlined on the thread so long ago? For some reason I don't think so. I think rjohnny was playing with sportbook/betus/bookmaker/bodog lines and getting killed. I know for a fact that cheme was getting killed because he was complaining when everybody jumped over on Greek right along with his ass. You guys aren't sharp bettors and that's why you get the results you get. If you used my filter on those sorry ass books you guys use you would only make one first inning wager a day.

    The truth is you guys didn't read the instructions and certainly didn't pay attention to the adjustments. The system works fine when played with appropriate lines and in the appropriate manner.

    Do yourself a favor and look at the lines on Linesmaker for one week and compare them to what you've been playing the number at and laugh at how you've been taken to the cleaners smply because you didn't do your homework when searching for a sportbook.

    Unfortunately for you I started with a bankroll of 9 dimes. For some reason I still have more than that in my kitty. So your 52% rate is incorrect when applied to my system, and rather it's based upon you playing all of the games regardless of the line size and paying -135 and more vigorish damnear EVERY play.

    Ever heard of the College World Series? Did you bet those games? Are you doubling up in live baseball games too? Man rjohnny I think that you didn't play things the way that they are supposed to be played. I doubt very seriously that you have lost more than 4-5 live games this year doing the system. Every ESPN game or FOX game is hitting by the third inning johnny and cheme. You guys are bad students
    Ok, a few things to get to here so let's get started:

    Ck, you are a liar. It was obvious to me soon after you came to SBR but apparently some people's desire to find someone to follow is so big that they are blind to what's in front of their eyes. Remember your little "secret" plays? You claimed they were hitting at over 80%. As soon as you unvelied your "system" and all your followers jumped all over it they all got killed. The few that had the balls/smarts to call bullshit on you were treated as deserters and you gave them the "You are not sharp, you are betting too much, I was 80-20 when I was the only one playing the system, I have still made enough money to retire, blah, blah" bullshit.

    So some people gave you a chance. I guess they wanted to believe you. Within the next 4 days your bullshit secret plays went like 3-16 including a Saturday in February where you were 0-7. So then you started saying you wouldn't post them anymore and telling your disciples to only identify them as and not to mention them anymore. Kind of like when you wanted your first inning prop thread deleted by the mods (we'll get to that in a moment).

    You also claimed you were making a killing in CFB with a similar system. Your requirements for the football secret plays were a first half spread of at least 14 and no ML on the game. Needless to say, those sucked too.

    Now let's go to the part where you claim you know for a fact that I was getting killed. I haven't placed a wager in my life at thegreek. Anybody that wants to check on that fact is encouraged to do so. You are just a compulsive liar with NPD. I backtracked your "system" starting in 2004. Shared the files with the whole forum and told everyone that the whole key to making money was getting positive lines. Even money lines would have been ok, but even averaging -110 you would have lost money in 2 of the last 5 years.

    With all that being said, what makes you think that I would risk my money on your megalomaniac antics? For you to say that you know for a fact that I lost money on your bullshit is just retarded. I didn't play it and recommended nobody did, I even wished good luck to the ones that did.

    Thanks to TA for posting the original posting on your "system". You said to play all games regarding to pitching matchup, weather, etc. As soon as you saw your bullshit didn't work you started changing your "rules" and eventually asking the moderators to delete your thread. You are like John Morrison, you both come up with bullshit when something doesn't go your way and actually believe that everyone will take that shit. Reminds me of my daughter when she makes up rules so that I won't beat her at whatever we are playing, then again she is 5.

    You are easy to figure out bro, you stir up shit with unreal promises ("you'll make enough to send the kids to college" ), you find people that want to believe there is something out there that will make them a loot, they risk their money on your shit, they lose, you make excuses, change the rules, try to eliminate all trails, etc. And then you do it again. I'm not one to get involved with crap like this. I have been on the site for a year, I post my plays with lines and amounts, I grade them, I keep records of all my shit, end of story. I challenge anyone to come over here and tell me that I have ever changed or manipulated my posts to make myself look better. I don't have a cult following like you do, that's not my goal on the forum. But there are more than a few people that have known me for a while and they know that I'm honest and I don't bullshit people like you do.

    Someone was grading your bets and proved you are no better than anyone with a coin. You stay around 50% and lose once you include the juice. He stated a proven fact "You never list your amounts because you can't manipulate that". You use words like "Big", "Huge", etc. to rate your plays. If you drop 2 "Big" plays today but hit your "Huge" play you come out ahead. If you drop 2 "Huge" plays but hit a "Big" play you come out ahead too. If you only have 1 play on a big favorite that loses outright then you tell people that you had a side bet on the dog's ML "to fade yourself" and you made up what you lost and the some. Anyway you slice it you come out ahead. But we are all dumb people and you are very sharp and that's the end of the story. Right?

    Now you said I'm a bad student. First of all, I have never wanted to study your soryy ass (maybe if I was a Psych major, but I'm a Math major and I've never seen you post any numbers on your plays so no thanks). I am open to learning from everybody that wants to teach me something. I don't feel I'm too good to admit if I'm wrong and I'm always on the lookout for people to help me win so when you came to the forum with all your bells and whistles I paid attention. But I soon learned what you were and that's why I have never lost any money on your bullshit, and believe me. I never will.

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    Been following this all year so these are the numbers that I have.

    May 1st through Aug. 23rd
    801-723

    May
    239-185

    June
    196-201

    July
    206-184

    Aug. 1-23
    160-153

    Sorry rjohnny to see you lost your money but I stopped awhile back seeing that it wasn't working for me at the -120 average it was paying where I was playing. I feel for you and know where your coming from! Good luck and let's get them this football season! CK, Cheme and I have spoke early on in May and he was glad I was making money with the system! Cheme said he wasn't playing it because over the long haul didn't see it working out for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMonkey View Post
    Been following this all year so these are the numbers that I have.

    May 1st through Aug. 23rd
    801-723

    May
    239-185

    June
    196-201

    July
    206-184

    Aug. 1-23
    160-153

    Sorry rjohnny to see you lost your money but I stopped awhile back seeing that it wasn't working for me at the -120 average it was paying where I was playing. I feel for you and know where your coming from! Good luck and let's get them this football season! CK, Cheme and I have spoke early on in May and he was glad I was making money with the system! Cheme said he wasn't playing it because over the long haul didn't see it working out for him.
    I'm not the smartest guy here but know if your average line for this prop is more than -111, you'd be in the hole (723 * 1.1 = 795.3, 795.3 < 801) - generally speaking. Going public with this how it was done, basically killed it. There are still ways of having success with it but after seeing how this blew-up the books (tipped them off), sorry, thank you but not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheme82 View Post
    Ok, a few things to get to here so let's get started:

    Ck, you are a liar. It was obvious to me soon after you came to SBR but apparently some people's desire to find someone to follow is so big that they are blind to what's in front of their eyes. Remember your little "secret" plays? You claimed they were hitting at over 80%. As soon as you unvelied your "system" and all your followers jumped all over it they all got killed. The few that had the balls/smarts to call bullshit on you were treated as deserters and you gave them the "You are not sharp, you are betting too much, I was 80-20 when I was the only one playing the system, I have still made enough money to retire, blah, blah" bullshit.

    So some people gave you a chance. I guess they wanted to believe you. Within the next 4 days your bullshit secret plays went like 3-16 including a Saturday in February where you were 0-7. So then you started saying you wouldn't post them anymore and telling your disciples to only identify them as and not to mention them anymore. Kind of like when you wanted your first inning prop thread deleted by the mods (we'll get to that in a moment).

    You also claimed you were making a killing in CFB with a similar system. Your requirements for the football secret plays were a first half spread of at least 14 and no ML on the game. Needless to say, those sucked too.

    Now let's go to the part where you claim you know for a fact that I was getting killed. I haven't placed a wager in my life at thegreek. Anybody that wants to check on that fact is encouraged to do so. You are just a compulsive liar with NPD. I backtracked your "system" starting in 2004. Shared the files with the whole forum and told everyone that the whole key to making money was getting positive lines. Even money lines would have been ok, but even averaging -110 you would have lost money in 2 of the last 5 years.

    With all that being said, what makes you think that I would risk my money on your megalomaniac antics? For you to say that you know for a fact that I lost money on your bullshit is just retarded. I didn't play it and recommended nobody did, I even wished good luck to the ones that did.

    Thanks to TA for posting the original posting on your "system". You said to play all games regarding to pitching matchup, weather, etc. As soon as you saw your bullshit didn't work you started changing your "rules" and eventually asking the moderators to delete your thread. You are like John Morrison, you both come up with bullshit when something doesn't go your way and actually believe that everyone will take that shit. Reminds me of my daughter when she makes up rules so that I won't beat her at whatever we are playing, then again she is 5.

    You are easy to figure out bro, you stir up shit with unreal promises ("you'll make enough to send the kids to college" ), you find people that want to believe there is something out there that will make them a loot, they risk their money on your shit, they lose, you make excuses, change the rules, try to eliminate all trails, etc. And then you do it again. I'm not one to get involved with crap like this. I have been on the site for a year, I post my plays with lines and amounts, I grade them, I keep records of all my shit, end of story. I challenge anyone to come over here and tell me that I have ever changed or manipulated my posts to make myself look better. I don't have a cult following like you do, that's not my goal on the forum. But there are more than a few people that have known me for a while and they know that I'm honest and I don't bullshit people like you do.

    Someone was grading your bets and proved you are no better than anyone with a coin. You stay around 50% and lose once you include the juice. He stated a proven fact "You never list your amounts because you can't manipulate that". You use words like "Big", "Huge", etc. to rate your plays. If you drop 2 "Big" plays today but hit your "Huge" play you come out ahead. If you drop 2 "Huge" plays but hit a "Big" play you come out ahead too. If you only have 1 play on a big favorite that loses outright then you tell people that you had a side bet on the dog's ML "to fade yourself" and you made up what you lost and the some. Anyway you slice it you come out ahead. But we are all dumb people and you are very sharp and that's the end of the story. Right?

    Now you said I'm a bad student. First of all, I have never wanted to study your soryy ass (maybe if I was a Psych major, but I'm a Math major and I've never seen you post any numbers on your plays so no thanks). I am open to learning from everybody that wants to teach me something. I don't feel I'm too good to admit if I'm wrong and I'm always on the lookout for people to help me win so when you came to the forum with all your bells and whistles I paid attention. But I soon learned what you were and that's why I have never lost any money on your bullshit, and believe me. I never will.
    I always wonder what they were, asked people what they were, how it worked, etc but was never given a response other than the we don't talk about them.

    Not a problem, I saved this because I wanted to see how this would pan out (think winter project).

    While it may seem like I'm "picking" on Ck, I'm not, all I'm doing is posting material on topic. He does things his way and it works for him and I'm glad for him. But also can understand others comments, concerns and questions.

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    unreal

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    Quote Originally Posted by TodaysAction View Post
    I'm not the smartest guy here but know if your average line for this prop is more than -111, you'd be in the hole (723 * 1.1 = 795.3, 795.3 < 801) - generally speaking. Going public with this how it was done, basically killed it. There are still ways of having success with it but after seeing how this blew-up the books (tipped them off), sorry, thank you but not going to happen.
    (185 * 1.2 = 222 < 239) TA, that is why I stopped playing it during the month of June! Obvious continuing at -120 would not work out. I'm not the capper that you are in being able to pick out a few 1st inn. games a day that are profitable! Good luck to you and continued success. I really appreciate yourself and others here at SBR who try to put money in our pockets! Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't. There are no !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMonkey View Post
    (185 * 1.2 = 222 < 239) TA, that is why I stopped playing it during the month of June! Obvious continuing at -120 would not work out. I'm not the capper that you are in being able to pick out a few 1st inn. games a day that are profitable! Good luck to you and continued success. I really appreciate yourself and others here at SBR who try to put money in our pockets! Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't. There are no !
    Thank you MrMonkey but if your record stats for each team, every game, it takes but only 3 more minutes (at most) per game to get the information. Certain teams are more profitable than others, same with pitchers & batting line-ups. Keep recording the stats for the year and you should see a pattern that is saying "Here, please take this money." - it doesn't really speak but the trend/pattern is very strong. They certainly don't win all the time or lose for that matter but are worth putting the time & effort in. Thank you but once you do these few extra steps and it becomes a (good) habit, you too will reap the rewards of your work. Thank you and what I do is not like most others but it works well enough for my family, friends and self; so it's good enough (for the season the win rate is 51.6%) for us. Feel free to drop in the thread whenever time permits and add your input - damned near everyone is welcome (until they prove they don't belong there).
    Last edited by TodaysAction; 08-23-09 at 11:54 PM. Reason: added text

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    Anyone who has backchecked this knows that August and September are by and far the most profitable months. In fact, if you did this ONLY in August and September then you might actually yield some profit. Again, trying to average above -115 is key to making any profit from this. Any less than that and you are doomed. Unfortunately books did catch on to this. There are still some books that give decent lines but it's near impossible to turn profit and might not be worth the effort.

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    What a bunch of f'n whiney losers. CK gave us the system, which he probably shouldn't have done in the first place because the books adjusted the lines from Day 1. Then when he saw what was happening, he suggested adjustments, again to try and help people here make money. The data on the system for the last few years was analyzed, verified, and posted by numerous others. No one complained.

    The guy spends countless hours going over stats and figures to come up with plays every day except when he was on vacation. No one has a gun to their head forcing them to bet anything he posts.

    And his PC Plays and HEAVY plays winning percentages are WAY above his regular plays. I followed him throughout the second half of the NBA season and just his NBA PC Plays were hitting at a 70%+ clip. And he HAS documented in the past how much he bets on these plays.

    So the haters and losers can go back to flipping burgers or whatever y'all do to come up with the extra $10 a week you have for sports betting.
    Last edited by RoagBettor; 08-24-09 at 12:29 PM.
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