[ebelisle22]

verlander is so good can the sox pull out a win? anyone siding w the sox?

[taxe91]

not at +137.

opening day this year it was lester vs verlander, and the sox were priced at +134. thats when they were at full strength.

they are at +137 in this game with ellsbury, cody ross, and possibly pedroia all out of the opening day side. not to mention verlander is on a roll and daniel bard has proven to be a subpar starting pitcher thus far. the sox are unplayable in this spot unless the price reaches +150

[stevenash]

2 chances, slim and none.

	PA	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA ▾	OBP	SLG	OPS	SH	SF	IBB	HBP	GDP	missG
Marlon Byrd	12	11	5	0	0	0	0	1	2	.455	.500	.455	.955	0	0	0	0	0
David Ortiz	24	21	6	2	0	2	3	3	7	.286	.375	.667	1.042	0	0	1	0	0
Kevin Youkilis	23	23	6	0	0	2	3	0	3	.261	.261	.522	.783	0	0	0	0	0
Mike Aviles	13	13	3	0	0	0	0	0	2	.231	.231	.231	.462	0	0	0	0	0
Ryan Sweeney	13	13	3	0	0	0	0	0	4	.231	.231	.231	.462	0	0	0	0	2
Kelly Shoppach	20	18	4	2	0	1	2	1	6	.222	.300	.500	.800	0	0	0	1	0
Scott Podsednik	35	31	5	1	1	0	2	1	4	.161	.188	.258	.446	3	0	0	0	0
Nick Punto	29	26	4	0	0	0	1	3	10	.154	.241	.154	.395	0	0	0	0	0
Adrian Gonzalez	13	9	1	0	0	1	1	4	3	.111	.385	.444	.829	0	0	2	0	1
Dustin Pedroia	13	13	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	.000	.000	.000	.000	0	0	0	0	0
Jarrod Saltalamacchia	9	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	.000	.000	.000	.000	0	0	0	0	0
Total	204	187	37	5	1	6	12	13	48	.198	.254	.332	.585	3	0	3	1	3

[taxe91]

^^ those numbers look a lot better if you remove podsenik who wont play and pedroia who is doubtful

[detroitlionsfan]

i won a huge bet against verlander earlier this year. leaning tigers tho

not touching this game

[stevenash]

they are at +137 in this game with ellsbury, cody ross, and possibly pedroia all out of the opening day side. not to mention verlander is on a roll and daniel bard has proven to be a subpar starting pitcher thus far. the sox are unplayable in this spot unless the price reaches +150

+137 is a head scratcher, JV is the best starter on the planet, Tiger bats are heating up, and the Red Sox feature Hall of Fame outfielders like Danny Nava, Scotty Pods, and Ryan Sweeny.

I see no reason why JV's line doesn't look like this when the dust settles tonight.

8 IP
1 ER
6 H
1 BB
9 K

6-1 Detroit

[taxe91]

+137 is a head scratcher, JV is the best starter on the planet, Tiger bats are heating up, and the Red Sox feature Hall of Fame outfielders like Danny Nava, Scotty Pods, and Ryan Sweeny.

I see no reason why JV's line doesn't look like this when the dust settles tonight.

8 IP
1 ER
6 H
1 BB
9 K

6-1 Detroit

Yeah that +137 is not an accurate line. At least when they faced him on opening day they could rely on Lester to keep the tigers bats quiet, in this game they have to rely on bard and his 5.5 walks per 9 innings.

I would have played a -1RL but even the tigers -1.5 is a paltry +100, which is a pretty mediocre run line for a road team.

[Madison]

+137 is a head scratcher, JV is the best starter on the planet, Tiger bats are heating up, and the Red Sox feature Hall of Fame outfielders like Danny Nava, Scotty Pods, and Ryan Sweeny.

I see no reason why JV's line doesn't look like this when the dust settles tonight.

8 IP
1 ER
6 H
1 BB
9 K

6-1 Detroit

I commented elsewhere that I believe Det gets at least 4/5 runs tonight. So I'm pretty much in agreement with your #'s.

[brahmabull117]

+137 is a head scratcher, JV is the best starter on the planet, Tiger bats are heating up, and the Red Sox feature Hall of Fame outfielders like Danny Nava, Scotty Pods, and Ryan Sweeny.

I see no reason why JV's line doesn't look like this when the dust settles tonight.

8 IP
1 ER
6 H
1 BB
9 K

6-1 Detroit

Interesting analysis man. Originally I thought it was not a bad play cause you gotta like Sox being underdogs at home but I'm going more on the other side


Do you think Bard is as good, better or worse than his era so far?


His WHIP and BB to K ratio has gotta be scary if you're backing the sox. Not too often do you see a guy maintain an era below even 6 with a whip like 1.56

[Smogs]

Interesting analysis man. Originally I thought it was not a bad play cause you gotta like Sox being underdogs at home but I'm going more on the other side


Do you think Bard is as good, better or worse than his era so far?


His WHIP and BB to K ratio has gotta be scary if you're backing the sox. Not too often do you see a guy maintain an era below even 6 with a whip like 1.56

Check his FIP stats

[brahmabull117]

Check his FIP stats

I'm lazy, enlighten me

[Smogs]

And they're not good

[Smogs]

4.77, JV is at 2.58. The BoSox are fukked tonight

[brahmabull117]

I ended up playing the tigers. You guys convinced me


JV is the best pitcher on the planet, Bard is awful

[EVPlus]

Let's not forget the bad call Detroit got yesterday. A pissed off team (and manager, of course) is a motivated team.

[stevenash]

JV is the best pitcher on the planet, Bard is awful

Simply put, yes.

If Bard had any control, he'd be a solid #3, decent #2, but he walks the ball park, and if he has to come in tonight against that beef (Miggy and Prince) well, he's going to be spanked.

[stevenash]

Let's not forget the bad call Detroit got yesterday. A pissed off team (and manager, of course) is a motivated team.

I considered that, plus, umpires have a way of evening things out, if you don't believe that, you are naive.
Remember, the old man Leyland chose his words carefully yesterday in the post game presser, oh sure he was pissed, but it was a controlled pissed.

If JV gets one inch off the black called a strike tonight, he could very well strike out 13.

[Smogs]

I considered that, plus, umpires have a way of evening things out, if you don't believe that, you are naive.
Remember, the old man Leyland chose his words carefully yesterday in the post game presser, oh sure he was pissed, but it was a controlled pissed.

If JV gets one inch off the black called a strike tonight, he could very well strike out 13.

I'm banking on him striking out all 27

[EVPlus]

I considered that, plus, umpires have a way of evening things out, if you don't believe that, you are naive.
Remember, the old man Leyland chose his words carefully yesterday in the post game presser, oh sure he was pissed, but it was a controlled pissed.

If JV gets one inch off the black called a strike tonight, he could very well strike out 13.

To add to that, the ump who blew the call yesterday had to deal with the public embarrasment of having the video all over the internet. Leyland asked for accountability and, although he may not get it from mlb, he did in this case from the court of public opinion. No one wants to look incompetent and have the video shown all over. The umps today will have that thought in the back of their minds, IMO.

[Smogs]

F*ck my life, i have no confidence detroit can even score on this part time Bard guy either

[ebelisle22]

ya and hate to say it but its gunna get rained out soon and called in red sox' favor. its now or never for detroit now in the 5th inning i live in mass. and its pouring where i live, headed to fenway soon

[Smogs]

ya and hate to say it but its gunna get rained out soon and called in red sox' favor. its now or never for detroit now in the 5th inning i live in mass. and its pouring where i live, headed to fenway soon

Yeah was going to ask how they call games this late into it and a clear score like 6-3

[Gamble32jn]

Glad im on sox for 200. Be the only win i get today outta 3 bets