1. 05-07-12 07:02 PM #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenhippo View Post
    Obviously could have gone another 5-6 names before even getting to pitchers, but I'll go on the record saying I like Kaline over Bench. Kaline should have won MVP is 55 over Berra IMHO
    Agree to disagree on this one. I think you're crazy actually. Bench was BY FAR the best defensive catcher of all time and had very similar offensive numbers to kaline. I'd listen to arguments that bench was top 5-10 all time simply because of his position. Until piazza came along he was the best defensive AND offensive player at his position all time. No one else could say that.
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  2. 05-07-12 07:25 PM #37
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    he'd be on the borderline of 15 greatest Yankees ever....
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  3. 05-07-12 07:32 PM #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    he'd be on the borderline of 15 greatest Yankees ever....
    Top 10 position players in order....surely I'll miss a few...

    Ruth
    gehrig
    mantle
    berra
    jeter
    dimaggio
    reggie
    Arod
    Dickey
    Mattingly
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  4. 05-07-12 07:35 PM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    Top 10 position players in order....surely I'll miss a few...

    Ruth
    gehrig
    mantle
    berra
    jeter
    dimaggio
    reggie
    Arod
    Dickey
    Mattingly
    You can't call me crazy and then put Donny Baseball in top 10 my friend.

    Edit: Or is this strictly NYY?
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  5. 05-07-12 07:40 PM #40
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    Hi might not even be in the top 15 Yankees of all-time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    Agree to disagree on this one. I think you're crazy actually. Bench was BY FAR the best defensive catcher of all time and had very similar offensive numbers to kaline. I'd listen to arguments that bench was top 5-10 all time simply because of his position. Until piazza came along he was the best defensive AND offensive player at his position all time. No one else could say that.
    Except Berra was better offensively so Bench could never say that.
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    top 15 player of all time..let's change it..top 25 player of all time
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    Look at his post season batting average..very very few hit for the same average or close to in posrt season as reg season..he is a money player over a ton of games played
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    he'd be on the borderline of 15 greatest Yankees ever....

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    he absolutely is a top 5 yankee of all time..he's batting over 300 careeer avg over 17 seasons..his post season avergae is over 300 over a ton of games..he happens to be loved by so many
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    over 152 post season gqames..he's batting .307
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  12. 05-07-12 08:40 PM #47
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    Ruth, Gehrig, mantle, DiMaggio, rivera, Berra over jeter
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenhippo View Post
    Except Berra was better offensively so Bench could never say that.
    Well 1) that's not true. Baseball reference has bench rated much higher as an objective measure. And 2) Berra had plenty of games in the outfield so IMO he'd have to be markedly better to be considered a better offensive catcher. Bench didn't get a "day off" like yogi did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenhippo View Post
    You can't call me crazy and then put Donny Baseball in top 10 my friend.

    Edit: Or is this strictly NYY?
    Common bro I'm not that silly

    And I really can't think of a definitively better Yankee than mattingly to put at 10. Rizzuto? No. Ellie Howard? Maybe but no. Winfield? Maybe. Posada? No. Maris? No. Munson? No. Who am I missing?
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    earl combs
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  16. 05-07-12 09:56 PM #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Ruth, Gehrig, mantle, DiMaggio, rivera, Berra over jeter
    No way on Rivera and Berra. Other 4 are hard to argue.
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    First off, you can't compare pitchers to position players. Secondly, it's hard to compare Jeter to other players because of the intangibles he provides. Jeter is also not a power hitter. How do you value RBI's, slugging, and home runs? Jeter is clearly one of the best SS of all time. Lets just leave it at that. Comparing pitchers or power hitters to Jeter doesn't make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coming Back! View Post
    First off, you can't compare pitchers to position players. Secondly, it's hard to compare Jeter to other players because of the intangibles he provides. Jeter is also not a power hitter. How do you value RBI's, slugging, and home runs? Jeter is clearly one of the best SS of all time. Lets just leave it at that. Comparing pitchers or power hitters to Jeter doesn't make sense.
    Don't forget steals. Jeter quitely has swiped 340 bags during his career.
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  19. 05-08-12 07:26 AM #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coming Back! View Post
    First off, you can't compare pitchers to position players. Secondly, it's hard to compare Jeter to other players because of the intangibles he provides. Jeter is also not a power hitter. How do you value RBI's, slugging, and home runs? Jeter is clearly one of the best SS of all time. Lets just leave it at that. Comparing pitchers or power hitters to Jeter doesn't make sense.

    by the way idk if u guys know this ...but the MLB helped out the hitters so much in the later years then before

    pitching mounds were lowered
    fences were brought in
    baseballs are being stitched tighter
    All 3 of these things help out the batter so much (CANT EVEN NAME THE STEROID ISSUE)


    how about this stat

    babe ruth pitched for 5 years
    joe dimaggio missed 3-4 years of his prime to serve in the armed forces
    lou played with broken bones almost his entire career
    mantle thought he was going to die at the age of 40 and became an alcoholic and didnt care about his own health


    top 4 yankees are these 4 ... then you have to skip a few lines just to put jeter there ...

    1 babe ruth
    2 mantle
    3 dimaggio
    4 lou




    10 jeter


    so far apart cuz you cant even compare players
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