Wash under 83.5 seems like a real good option. Marlins got better, Braves and Phils are still top teams in the NL, looks to be a ton of divisional losses for the Nats.
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03-28-12 02:15 PM #36
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03-28-12 02:38 PM #37
I like the Braves myself, Stras for the Nats is on a 160 IP leash this year, so he'll only make 24 starts or so.
Phils need Utley and Howard healthy, but that rotation will keep them in it.
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03-28-12 02:46 PM #38
Nash, braves to win the divison?
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03-28-12 02:54 PM #39
^
maybe
1. CF Michael Bourn - speed to spare
2. 3B Martin Prado - can rake !
3. C Brian McCann - could be the best catcher in MLB
4. 2B Dan Uggla - has good power
5. 1B Freddie Freeman - just hit 5th homer in 3 days
6. RF Jason Heyward - all sorts of potential
7. LF Matt Diaz - sneaky power
8. SS Tyler Pastornicky - rook supposed to be good
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03-28-12 03:04 PM #40
Good bullpen good pitching... pitching is what I'm big at looking for... good potential there
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03-28-12 03:05 PM #41
Braves might have the best 'pen in the game
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03-28-12 04:45 PM #42
Yeah don't let the late collapse fool you , good arms and another year of experience will help... futures I'm leaning to... tigers/rays to win al... braves to win nl... padres over. And pad to win nl west... astros under
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03-28-12 05:15 PM #43
I'm a braves fan. I don't trust freddy gonzalez and jason heyward to manage and play well enough to win the nl east or pennant.
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03-28-12 07:50 PM #44
Don't think the 2nd year manager will get better... I think its a big year for heyward, needs to put up or be dissapointed year.. just an outside perspective.... I think they could make the wild card though, and in a short series anything can happen.. especially we good pitching
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03-28-12 07:53 PM #45
He is not a second year manager. He was fired by the Marlins. A late season swoon is on players and managers too.
Originally Posted by ebbearsfb1
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03-28-12 08:40 PM #46
2nd year with the braves though... marlins fire everybody, take that with a grain of salt.... tired arms killed the braves... I think its a new year... will see though... can't wait till next week
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03-28-12 08:43 PM #47
I have a lot of futures going, so I will be watching a lot of games closely. Good luck ebb
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03-28-12 10:50 PM #48
Weaver or Kershaw Originally Posted by stevenash
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03-28-12 10:58 PM #49
disagree with you there. miami is a ton over-rated right now. and was never a big fan of atl's team. there bullpen was amazing last year and won them a ton of games, doubt it could have a repeat of that. Originally Posted by greenhippo
you need pitching to win, and with gio,zimmerman and starsburgh they sure got that.
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03-28-12 11:12 PM #50
had a free 10 dollar future bet on bovada threw it on the padres to win the series at 100-1, actually think theres some decent longshot potential, i dont particularly trust that whole division.
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03-28-12 11:13 PM #51
astros under sounds good 2, a lot of guys have like that i wouldnt get 2 juice crazy on these tho.
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03-29-12 05:45 AM #52
I don't think Kershaw wins 18. Originally Posted by dodger33
He's still top a top 3 starter in the majors, but he's not going to get much run support, the only power in the Dodger line up is Kemp, the outfield is Kemp, Ethier and Juan Rivera, there is no pop what so ever out of the corner infielders................
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03-29-12 05:57 AM #53
Take the Miami Marlins under. They are excited over picking up a career loser in Reyes.
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03-29-12 06:09 AM #54
Over / under on how many trips to the DL this year with a "hammy" is 2.5 Originally Posted by HoulihansTX
They are excited over picking up a career loser in Reyes.
Hasn't played a full season in over 3 years now.
This is what Miami is committed to him on the back end of his contract.
Yeah, nice bargain
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03-29-12 11:20 AM #55
Will add these to my thread when I make it... but for now.. the futures I played are.. under 63 astros. To win 2.5.... rays over 86.5 to win 2.5.... under 75.5 white sox to win 2... padres over 73.5 to win 1... mets over 72.5 to win 1.... padres to win nl west 1 to win 20.... rays to win al 1 to win 9
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03-29-12 11:35 AM #56
The only real value in betting futures is it gives you an interest in the entire season. If you bust out midway, you still have some action and some interest in following it day to day. Otherwise, you are better off using that money to work for you. For example, say you have $1000 tied up in futures. Some may be at long odds and those might be fun but have less of a chance of cashing. If you are betting win totals, you are going to get back $800 or so. Wouldn't you rather try to parlay that $1000 up over the course of the season? You'd only need to double it to win as much as you might realistically expect to win in futures. Then you have $2000 to work with... Unless you have a huge bankroll, no they are generally not worth it.
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03-29-12 11:48 AM #57
Those futures are barely 5 % of the bankroll.. good investment is how people need to look at it
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03-29-12 11:54 AM #58
yes there will and i bet there will be 2 of them
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03-29-12 12:33 PM #59
Padres over 73.5
Cardinals over 84.5
Red Sox over 89.5
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03-29-12 08:42 PM #60
rays over 86.5 and detroit under 91.5
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03-29-12 10:19 PM #61
No matter what any baseball future money is tied up for months. if you had that money and had it working for you all season t would probably make you ten times the money the future bet did. figure 1.5-2% a day on whatever you bet on the future, everyday compounding forward, then figure out how much that comes out to at the end of 190 or so days.
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03-30-12 12:36 AM #62
That all sounds great but you fail to mention you still have to pick winners, a task that is not easy. You talk about money working for you like it is a foregone conclusion your going to win if you don't be futures and grind it out all day. This is not the stock market. No harm in placing a future bet if you see value there and treat it as a possible investment. Based on your theory it is quite possible you just take your bankroll and burn it down to 0 by seasons end. Originally Posted by wantitall4moi
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03-30-12 12:40 AM #63
Originally Posted by EaglesPhan36
i can get tb over 86.5 at -113.
i say they win 86 or less games.
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03-30-12 08:26 AM #64
Great post adam... exactly my point... you could have a 10k roll.. place 500 dollars in future... say u can make 1k off them... in the mean time u could lose ur whole roll... picking the winners isn't a guarantee... the big problem with the rays is hitting... if they make the playoffs they will be dangerous... I like them to win the al in a short series
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03-30-12 09:03 AM #65
not when youre buying early and selling late. The only risk involved is whether or not the line moves enough for you to make a profit. if it doesnt then you eject out for at worst 1.5-2% loss. But if you know what youre doing and pay attention the profits come rolling in. I have broken it down a dozen times, i am not doing it anymore. But baseball is all about trading prices and collecting money. With so many options, especially to non US players not in veags there is no excuse not to have baseball be a cash cow if youre willing to take the time to invest in it. Originally Posted by AdamStock1983
I am not talking about betting some team +120 when they should be -105 and hoping. I am talking about betting one team -110 and them coming back and betting the other team +118 when everyone thinks -110 on the other side is too low. Sure the -110 side might win, but if they dont you still do. You might 'only' win 33 bux or so depending on your bankroll but it is a profit. 3 games like that and its a hundred bux to roll over to the next day. 8 cents is a joke in the grand scheme also. Watch early on this season and how much lines move, you'll see a lot of 15-20 cent buy backs the first month. usually a few 30s. trick is to be on the 'right' side in the right games. Thats where skill and some luck come into play.
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03-30-12 09:24 AM #66
Noticed it already in spring training... betting both sides and what not
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03-30-12 09:29 AM #67
harder in spring training as holds are higher, also less action. You also have ties which is why books hang shittier numbers. A spring training game will have a line like -131/116 but the regular season line would be more like 126/119. HUGE difference. One is nearly 3% hold, the other is 1.4. Originally Posted by ebbearsfb1
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03-30-12 09:35 AM #68
Don't know all that number lingo... spring training lines move more it seems... bjays the other day opened at minus 145... closed at 183... profit to be made, same with nats and phillies a few days ago... cardinals minus 160 today see if it moves up.. as line ups and whose traveling come out lines move more
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03-30-12 08:44 PM #69
Not everyone is looking to price trade or scalp. If you are doing this you have to be committed full time watching line services getting down on the openers and buying back at the optimal times. Not to mention you have to be at multiple books most of which limit or ban them. Also if you are a US resident like I am then your options are really limited.
If you want to price trade and scalp you can do that and turn a profit but what you talking about applies to less than 1% of the people on here. Most don't do this full time and are not going to have the time nor means to do what you are implying.
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03-31-12 05:07 PM #70
Futures are good and fun to watch, but they are not for everybody. I love playing them before every NFL, NBA, and MLB season. It keeps me from betting on too many games because technically I will have "action" on every game that team plays during the season anyway.
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